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Why can't evolution be the devine process.

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posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 09:59 AM
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Ok, so I'm getting annoyed about a lot of people digging their heels in about creation. Was it created , or did it evolve.

My question is why not both? Why bother arguing about it? And who cares anyway?

1) Why can't evolution be creationist. I.e Evolution is Gods process. You could say that god made the Earth in 7 days. So one can assume that god has its own way of doing things. Why was Earth not created in a nano second. So why can't evolution / creation follow the same process. i.e. God likes to do things in stages and evolution is part of that.

i.e. it took seven days to make human. First we were monkey's and then on day seven we had humans.

2) Evolution is proven - i.e. Blow fly lavea produced in two containers . One in extreme cold the other not . After several generations the cold container have slghtly higher levels of a certain chemical to keep them warm. i.e they evolved....while scientists watch.

3) Bible States the following - Ye who have a little faith can move a mountain. The kingdom of god is wthin us, ask and you shall receive....and so on. What that tells me is god put it own energy and power into us, we just need to learn how to command it in a godly way. So maybe every single living thing in the universe has a little god energy. So maybe if you want something enough in your living body, then maybe it might start to come true. So could you not influence your own evolution through using your godly though power or by using the kingdom of god inside of you.

4) Evolution is proven, but it does happen to fast. Any one with any sense can see evolution is fact. Again, why can't that just be how god works. Why Argue? However, it does happen to fast and almost proves a devine existence. i.e. In tha past 5 Billion years , Earth has gone from empty rock to the Internet. Language, sight, ESP you name it we have it. To design the complexity of life, I can't imagine we could evolve or even start off in the first place without some kind of boost.

Also, how can a butterfly evolve patterns on its wings that look like the eyes of a predator to scare off things trying to eat it if it can't and has never been able to see its own wings. Well I would say it evolved, but something helped it along the way.

5) For the record. Darwin was not seduced my Satan, like some of you flipin extremist religious maniacs think. Every scientist I know likes what they do because it helps them understand gods ways and how amazing it is what god does. Again, why can't we look at Darwin and say he is just trying to understand gods process.

So can someone tell me what is SOOOOOO WRONG with thinking that evolution is just the process of god? I don't know what difference it would make.




posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 10:06 AM
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You can believe whatever you wish, but that doesn't necessarily make it true. Unfortunately your theory lacks any evidence and still requires a leap of faith. It reeks of desperatation to believe in a god whatever the evidence suggests, and to fit the evidence around his/her own beliefs.

7 days, and in fact even 7000 years is a tiny amount of time on a geological scale, or even an evolutionary scale.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 10:38 AM
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I think you took it the wrong way. Im not saying its a theory....Im saying why all the arguing about it. What does it flipin matter? and why does it have to be so black and white? It MAY no be one or the other....it might be both.

I have no evidence and will never be able to get any evidence to suggest that evolution or god or UFO's or anything actually exist or created us. Its just a question , evolution does exist thats fact...why argue that point. and Again, why can't evolution be part of creationism.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 10:43 AM
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I think its both too, and probably something else outside our perception.

Nice thread, i never understand why people do not think we cannot have both being true.

But i do not think we came from apes as how people think we do. Life may have a evolution, but i do not think we eventually gradually came from apes. There may be a process called evolution, but like alot of public science it is too simplistic to be real.

I think both are real too, but maybe not in our understanding of them.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 11:09 AM
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Evolution has nothing to do with science. It is a political agenda to remove the moral basis of American culture and replace it with a socialist/communist framework. Evolutionists have infected the scientific community with false data, out and out lies.

Look at the work of Cremo and others who document all the evidence that evolution could not have happened... it's all just hidden away in favor of evidence that can be twisted to fit into the evolutionists framework.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by superrat
Evolution has nothing to do with science. It is a political agenda to remove the moral basis of American culture and replace it with a socialist/communist framework.




Actually....the concept of "evolution" doesn't only apply to America you know, and are you sure it has nothing to do with science?




posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 01:53 PM
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It cannot be both because evolution has been disproved quite a few times. The Bible explains everything, people just need to read it.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 02:09 PM
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I have to agree in principal on your point. However if u think God created the earth in 7 days etc then I am afraid why has God even bother making a brain so powerful that people cannot use it..
Think of it this way Substitute Nature For God () starting from a single cell God created entities to fill a niche and overtime he evoved those entites making them have better survivability.
Think of a car or any other object thats made. Someone created the design to fill a niche ie car for faster travel. Overtime the car evolved with a lot of additions to it from the original.
ITs peoples refusal to use their brains and rather believe in old texts from a time when most people were uneducated and could not concieve a number higher than they could count on the fingers and toes. You try explaining to someone from 2000 years ago and describe to him a car, the only way he would imagine it would be of a chariot without a horse as he would have no concept of we see the car today.
IMO I dont see why people take the bible so literally its only a collection of books to deveolope a code of conduct in which in todays society all we have to do is ask each other on how we should behave.....



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 03:53 PM
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Why bother arguing about it? And who cares anyway?

It is human nature to search out the truth, where we came from, how we got there etc. To find something a bit difficult to explain and then saying god did it is a complete cop out.
There is not even proof of a god so how can we say god is responsible for anything?



It cannot be both because evolution has been disproved quite a few times

Could you please provide some links showing evolution to be disproved?



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 04:10 PM
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It matters because the fundamental question that rises in all of our minds sooner or later is: "How did we get here and what is our purpose."

To the evolutionist: we got here by chance and our purpose is to survive and evolve by natural processes, natural selection and survival of the fittest.

To the creationist: we got here by God, who created us, and our purpose is to honor Him in all our ways, which includes doing unto others as we would have them to unto ourselves.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by sicklecell


Why bother arguing about it? And who cares anyway?

It is human nature to search out the truth, where we came from, how we got there etc. To find something a bit difficult to explain and then saying god did it is a complete cop out.
There is not even proof of a god so how can we say god is responsible for anything?



It cannot be both because evolution has been disproved quite a few times

Could you please provide some links showing evolution to be disproved?


I know you never asked me this question, but if you click on my name over one the left above my avitar it will take you to my profile page. There is enough materials, videos, links to keep you busy for a week or more. You will find plenty of material which debunks evolution.

Then, if you are really interested, I know for a fact there are dozens of threads on ATS in which the topic has been hammered on over and over again....with evolutionists loosing more ground every time. So do a search for evolution and creation...there is plenty in the ATS archives.

Here is one nail in the evolution coffin for ya:
www.gnmagazine.org...



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 04:35 PM
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the dilemma here is, one of you assumes they're right.

You might all be wrong, the creationists, the evolutionists, and the whole lot of you.

combining your ideologies probably won't help either; two wrongs don't make right.

[edit on 10/20/2009 by JPhish]



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 04:35 PM
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Why can't evolution be creationist. I.e Evolution is Gods process. You could say that god made the Earth in 7 days. So one can assume that god has its own way of doing things. Why was Earth not created in a nano second. So why can't evolution / creation follow the same process. i.e. God likes to do things in stages and evolution is part of that.

Bacteria are Gods evolutionary tool kit. They collect a gene from an organism and insert it into another organism in order to create a protein upon which it feeds. This is horizontal gene transfer and it has been happening for as long as bacteria have been here.
Organisms tested so far have shown that this process has altered their DNA by about 12% over time.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 05:19 PM
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I will review your links a bit later when i have time however i must say i am a little apprehansive about your sources, your 'nail in the coffin for evolution' is published in a christian magazine, and most if not all of your links are to christian websites i.e. they have an agenda.
I would prefer an unbiased source.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 05:33 PM
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The Bible states very specifcally GOD CREATED EACH TO IT'S OWN KIND.Genesis 1: 25
Now how does that grab you. It leaves no room for any of mans wild imagination. It can not be added to, nor taken away from.



[edit on 20-10-2009 by randyvs]



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by JPhish
the dilemma here is, one of you assumes they're right.

You might all be wrong, the creationists, the evolutionists, and the whole lot of you.

combining your ideologies probably won't help either; two wrongs don't make right.

[edit on 10/20/2009 by JPhish]



Really? You haven't made a choice yet?

You don't care where you came from, why you are here, and where you are going?

Maybe you have been too busy to investigate?

If we are wrong, we will suffer the loss of a delusion....big deal.

If we are right, then the atheist/evolutionists suffers an eternity in Hell.

Do you want to take that risk?



[edit on 20/10/09 by John Matrix]



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by sicklecell
reply to post by John Matrix
 


I will review your links a bit later when i have time however i must say i am a little apprehansive about your sources, your 'nail in the coffin for evolution' is published in a christian magazine, and most if not all of your links are to christian websites i.e. they have an agenda.
I would prefer an unbiased source.


So what....where do you find information on evolution if not on an evolutionists website. Shall I use the same argument right back at you?
Evolutionists have an agenda too....don't think they don't.

Since when is a Christian website a good reason to disregard the information found therein?

Are you afraid you might learn something?



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by randyvs
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The Bible states very specifcally GOD CREATED EACH TO IT'S OWN KIND.Genesis 1: 25
Now how does that grab you. It leaves no room for any of mans wild imagination. It can not be added to, nor taken away from.


but "mans wild imagination" created the bible.....



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by Jezus

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by kilas
 

The Bible states very specifcally GOD CREATED EACH TO IT'S OWN KIND.Genesis 1: 25
Now how does that grab you. It leaves no room for any of mans wild imagination. It can not be added to, nor taken away from.


but "mans wild imagination" created the bible.....


Where is your proof.

If it's wild imaginations then why is it accurate according to geography and archaeology?

Not bad for a collection of old books huh?

But even if your argument is true, since when are works of imagination not worthy of reading and getting something from?



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by kilas
Ok, so I'm getting annoyed about a lot of people digging their heels in about creation. Was it created , or did it evolve.

My question is why not both? Why bother arguing about it? And who cares anyway?

1) Why can't evolution be creationist. I.e Evolution is Gods process. You could say that god made the Earth in 7 days. So one can assume that god has its own way of doing things. Why was Earth not created in a nano second. So why can't evolution / creation follow the same process. i.e. God likes to do things in stages and evolution is part of that.

i.e. it took seven days to make human. First we were monkey's and then on day seven we had humans.


The bible is specific about how man was made. God formed man from the dust of the earth. It says nothing about man coming from a monkey and it doesn't say that it took 7 days just to make man, man was made in one day.



2) Evolution is proven - i.e. Blow fly lavea produced in two containers . One in extreme cold the other not . After several generations the cold container have slghtly higher levels of a certain chemical to keep them warm. i.e they evolved....while scientists watch.


This is evidence of micro-evolution. The Blow Fly didn't evolve into a new species, it adapted to it's environment. Same way as Africans have dark skin and Europeans have pale skin, they adapted over a period of time.



3) Bible States the following - Ye who have a little faith can move a mountain. The kingdom of god is wthin us, ask and you shall receive....and so on. What that tells me is god put it own energy and power into us, we just need to learn how to command it in a godly way. So maybe every single living thing in the universe has a little god energy. So maybe if you want something enough in your living body, then maybe it might start to come true. So could you not influence your own evolution through using your godly though power or by using the kingdom of god inside of you.


Just like any other literary work, these statements must be taken in the context in which they were written. You cannot simply quote a line from the bible and make it mean whatever you want. Actually, you can't do that with any book.



4) Evolution is proven, but it does happen to fast. Any one with any sense can see evolution is fact. Again, why can't that just be how god works. Why Argue? However, it does happen to fast and almost proves a devine existence. i.e. In tha past 5 Billion years , Earth has gone from empty rock to the Internet. Language, sight, ESP you name it we have it. To design the complexity of life, I can't imagine we could evolve or even start off in the first place without some kind of boost.


Please provide some factual basis for your claim of evolution as being a proven fact. Also, how does it happen too fast? Please explain.



Also, how can a butterfly evolve patterns on its wings that look like the eyes of a predator to scare off things trying to eat it if it can't and has never been able to see its own wings. Well I would say it evolved, but something helped it along the way.


Again, adaptation to one's environment.



5) For the record. Darwin was not seduced my Satan, like some of you flipin extremist religious maniacs think. Every scientist I know likes what they do because it helps them understand gods ways and how amazing it is what god does. Again, why can't we look at Darwin and say he is just trying to understand gods process.


For the record, according to the bible, everyone is seduced by Satan. It wasn't just Darwin.



So can someone tell me what is SOOOOOO WRONG with thinking that evolution is just the process of god? I don't know what difference it would make.


Again, if evolution were the process of God, then God would've made sure to include it in the bible. Instead, he described his process of making things, "In the beginning, God created..."



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