All this talk about we owe our freedom to the soldiers risking their lives... but for what? They aren't risking their lives for YOUR freedom, or of ANYONE YOU know... odds are, in my view. But since this thinking is used daily by so many millions let us at least figure out the last time a war was actually fought for our very own personal freedom.

BONUS: List what it is that makes you think you're actually free. I mean, if they are actually fighting for our own personal liberties, what has their sacrifice gotten us all? Has whatever it is we think they fought for actually been worth it?

[edit on 20-10-2009 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

The last two world wars sort of qualify but with major allowances for.........well no never mind.

The last war that had significance was woman' suffrage/equal rights.

If you mean shooting and dying with declared armies., the civil war.

The last real war fought for our freedom?

I would have to say the American Revolution. If you ask me about the Civil War, I thoroughly believe that it could have been avoided, and don't give me the hoopla that it was fought to free the slaves. Every other nation on the planet phased slavery out without going to war. Wasn't the Civil war mostly fought for political reasons anyways?

Bonus:

To make it short we are not really as free as we might think. I believe that we are under the illusion that we are free, i.e we can express ourselves however we want, we can protest, we can buy whatever we want (last part makes me sick) but honestly guys, come on. Do our protests even matter anymore? Does anyone pay attention? Wasn't there a massive anti-war rally at the hill that went completely ignored by MSM?

And think about this one: If we were truly free? Wouldn't all drugs be legal?
Just a thought. (Not trying to start anything with this comment, no flames please.)

S&F

Edit: Spelling

[edit on 20-10-2009 by Shamrock87]

Their actually has never been a war fought for the freedom of the American people as a whole. The revolutionary war and all other wars have been fought to keep the elite in charge. Just because you get to vote for 1 of 2 people picked by the elite does not mean your vote means diddly squat.

The American Revolution for sure.

Maybe the Civil War but it depends on how you look at it- a war over slavery or a war over State's rights.

The rest were preemptive. But isn't the best defense a good offense?

In all honesty though, as a Soldier I know that saying that I'm "fighting for freedom" is a pretty good stretch. Saying that I'm fighting for the interests of the American people is a stretch too. I can't say that anything I've done over there has made any discernable impact on the lives of anyone here, other than add to the debt.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
All this talk about we owe our freedom to the soldiers risking their lives... but for what? They aren't risking their lives for YOUR freedom, or of ANYONE YOU know... odds are, in my view.

SNIP

IMO - your question is flawed. Soldiers don't fight for ONE person's personal freedom. Personal freedom is "your" job to protect. Soldiers fight at the order of the country for which they serve. Feels like the "angst" is aimed at the wrong crew, with this question. Maybe if it had been aimed at country or government, it would make more sense.

*shrug*

Ed: quotes around "your" meant as a collective term

[edit on 20-10-2009 by LadySkadi]

Blah, when are the good people of this world going to get a chance to live in real peace and freedom you guys? The more I learn about our history the more I wonder if we stand a chance. Yeah it seems more and more people are waking up to the fact we're not really all that free, but I mean I mainly see it here on ATS. Maybe its our turn soon

Originally posted by JohnnyR
Blah, when are the good people of this world going to get a chance to live in real peace and freedom you guys? The more I learn about our history the more I wonder if we stand a chance. Yeah it seems more and more people are waking up to the fact we're not really all that free, but I mean I mainly see it here on ATS. Maybe its our turn soon

Wouldn't that be just great if we lived in a world where everyone thought logically and no one hated anyone? Jeez, I hope we can save the world man!

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