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posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 07:31 PM
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Eventually the next Shah of Iran will rule all of Persia, Pakistan, Bangladesh and India since India is the home of the Shah's Peacock throne.

All of this is about restoring the Peacock Throne and crowning the current Prince and shaping up the 13 zones the New World Order One World Government will be broken down into.

No one should believe a word the mainstream media reports or says or trust one government East or West or one politician East or West.

Well unless you like being cannon fodder and an economic slave taxed to death to pay for all this insanity. Then by all means follow along with your programming.




posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by really

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Iraq didn't really engage in a war with Iran, instead they used chemical weapons on the fringe or Iran. BIG DIFFERENCE.

[edit on 19-10-2009 by mr-lizard]

Actually, Iraq invaded Iran. Iran's soldiers weren't cutting it and the Ayatollah started using children, sending them in droves to the front lines, to overwhelm the Iraqis. I forget the name they gave to the children.
There is now a fountain in Tehran (I believe Tehran, might be another part of Iran) to commemorate these children. The water comes out red so as to look like blood.

www.matthiaskuentzel.de...

[edit on 19-10-2009 by really]


Thanks for sharing that fact. I stand corrected and a very interesting piece of information i didn't know.



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 08:20 PM
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It's all good. That's what we're here for. People here inform me of things I didn't know almost every day. I'm sure you've been one of them at some time.


[edit on 19-10-2009 by really]



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by DaVillen

Originally posted by 2kni3
Iran is controlled by england ..

England installed that regime .


You got it all wrong. England use to control Iran before the revolution when they had the Shah installed.


Actually you got it wrong.

The elected president of Iran wanted to Nationalize the Oil fields, so that the people of Iran would reap the rewards from it.

That is why the Brits/Americans backed the revolution. And installed the Shah who would NOT nationalize the oil fields.

Please look it up.

[edit on 19-10-2009 by muzzleflash]



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by DaVillen

Originally posted by 2kni3
Iran is controlled by england ..

England installed that regime .


You got it all wrong. England use to control Iran before the revolution when they had the Shah installed.


Actually you got it wrong.

The elected president of Iran wanted to Nationalize the Oil fields, so that the people of Iran would reap the rewards from it.

That is why the Brits/Americans backed the revolution. And installed the Shah who would NOT nationalize the oil fields.

Please look it up.

[edit on 19-10-2009 by muzzleflash]


I think that is what he means..Operation Ajax and as a result the installation of the Shah.Anyways now seems the time to quicken these events, is it really true Khomeini is in a coma? A war between Pakistan and Iran is not really in the best interest of the west. Iran may well find a friend instead of an enemy in the Taliban and help destabilize Pakistan even further, in reverse the same story. Maybe Iran already has nuclear weapons, an exchange between these two countries? problem solved?
But with the supreme leader in a coma, a struggle between the army and the guards, or a succesfull revolt of the people, yes i support these attacks on the republican guards..

[edit on 19-10-2009 by Foppezao]



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 09:04 PM
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I did look it up.

But you'd be a fool to think we CONTROLLED them. No offence of course, but Persia is ancient, they have survived as long as they have for a reason.

Did you not see the riots? You can't have a riot with one side. That's all i'm saying.

[edit on 19-10-2009 by mr-lizard]

[edit on 19-10-2009 by mr-lizard]



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 09:23 PM
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I seriously doubt that Iran has any crack troops.

Their military history is one long experience of getting their asses kicked. The record of these ass-kickings goes back for millennia.

Best crack troops? I'm sure that the US and Russians would have a bit of disagreement with you on that.

Gotta give them credit though, they were the first!



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 09:51 PM
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hmm i googled khomeini coma and there is a link,

Khamenei in coma

so apparently they said he was dead, then had to take it back and say it was a coma, so it sounds serious, that was 5 days ago, also not sure what to make of this source but google reveals a lot of chatter on this

i cant see iran actually hitting pakistan, if they do this they are wide open for an eager israel to hit (to defend pakistan? as a cover)

its definitely out now that these guys were backed by us/british, so the covert shadow wars are starting, this is ramping up at an alarming rate now with pakistan in the mix

Jundullah backed by cia

[edit on 19-10-2009 by Naeem82]



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 10:37 PM
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Just read an intelligence report on Iran this weekend. Complicated.

Summary: Revolutionary Guard now in full control as of the last election. Mahmoud A with them, due to his revulsion of the excesses and xorruption of the Mullocracy nouveau riche class, led by Rafsanjani.

The Revolutionary Guard pushed away domestic refinery development as they own gasoline importing operationss at which they make a killing. Insane tactic defensively. If attacked they would not be able to run tanks after surpluses exhaused within days.

Interesting side note, new intelligence - turns out Mahmoud A's family were forced into conversion generations back.

A crossroad is being reache with echoes of the Iraq-Iran war 1980-88. Saddam H attacked then fearing a spread of Shiite Islamic Revolution fervour, a border oilfield dispute, and thinking the disarray left Iran vulnerable. Repelled in a few months. The Saudis even offered $70 Billion in reparations to Iran to prevent further regional disruption.

Instead the peace loving Mullahs decided it was a good time to launch a crushing Holy War. Big Iraq Attack. Ensuing savely brutal 6 year war with close to a million dead, decimating a generation of prime age Iranian men.

Now Iran may decide Pakistan poses a similar existential threat.

But despite the rhetoric and strutting, Iran not alt prepared for an extended war. Zealousness only goes so far. Air Force better called Air Farce. Equipment is substandard Russian supplied leftovers from the Cold War that are unreliable to say the least.

New backdoor agreements with the US in play the last couple months assure Iran their immediate problems not from the Western Front.

Israel antagonism deflection of no longer considered a rallying point. Waziristan, Afghanistan, the reinforced Taliban arrangements with Al Qaida infrastructure the new concern.

Big question is now whether the Revolutionary Guard will be smart and cover their asses, or if they are itching for a war to shake up the region.

The US, Europe, Russia, China, really don't mind if they blow their cool. It will mean some of the nastier regional political mechanisms would be toppled. Think Taliban.

Pakistan will suffer the most, but be made more vulnerable to external control. Pakistan, with the ISI, Al Q and Taliban now ontrolling the nukes, is a mega wild card. Iran is worried.

Biggest fear with all this crystallizing quickly, that emotional thinking will override survival logic.

Scary times.


M



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 12:20 AM
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What a load of tripe Michael. Who put together that intelligence report the Girl Scouts of America?

Here is the deal. The United States can not get popular support from its own citizens and the world community to attack Iran. Israel’s reputation and credibility is plummeting with all the calls for war. The neoconservatives/Zionists want it, the liberals and independents don’t want anything to do with it.

Too many suspicions from 9-11 for the Western Intelligence Agencies to pull another false flag, the people will demand an investigation this time, and intense public scrutiny including thousands of well funded private citizens on the trail of 9-11 would be on it from second one making it impossible to cover up who the real culprits are again.

Ahmadinejad a 33rd degree Master Mason and ancestral Hebrew represents a French/English/CIA Installed Islamic Republic meant to placate the angry Iranian people in the aftermath of the Shah’s abusive reign and after modernizing the state is responsible for agitating the citizens towards a secular government.

Despite his defiant public stance he along with the Western Powers can’t create a compelling enough case for a 3rd Islamic front in the thinly veiled Christian Crusades being fought by the West against Islamic Countries.

Because of this Ahmadinejad now has to create a non-false flag pretext for a broader war and in the process begin conquering the new territories that will make up the Persian New World Order State of Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh and India to be ruled by the new Shah on the Peacock Throne.

You know the same reason all the World Wars have been fought, to force migrations and consolidations and to wean down the population drastically.

You guys and your intelligence reports, such kidders!



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 12:34 AM
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Ledeen wrote some updates on his site a couple of days ago:

pajamasmedia.com...


Perhaps it will help put things in context by looking at the supreme leader’s recent movements. On October 5th he went from Tehran to Now Shar, where he visited a naval base and academy. Later that day he went to the city of Chaloos, preached a sermon, delivered a speech and returned to Now Shar. On the 6th he traveled by automobile to Ramsar, a very beautiful resort city, and which is graced by a palace of the late shah. Khamenei was supposed to spend three days there, but he wasn’t feeling well, and complained of difficulty in breathing. He was therefore flown from Ramsar airport to Tehran.

He was treated at home by various specialists for several days. He received oxygen to help him breathe. The collapse came on Monday the 12th, and he was taken to a special clinic–originally built for Imam Khomeini–in Tehran. Foreign specialists began to arrive on Wednesday the 14th, when he was examined by foreign doctors. They included two famous Russian professors who had been in Iran previously, by three men described as “orientals” (could be Chinese or North Koreans; I don’t know), and two other doctors who identified themselves as swiss. Throughout, the Iranian doctors kept saying “give him more oxygen.” Medicine was delivered from abroad, coming straight from the airport to the clinic.

I am told he was still in a coma late Friday afternoon, Tehran time. And he is still very sick.

He has had only one important visitor outside his immediate family and advisers: Hassan Nasrallah, the head of Lebanese Hezbollah. Nasrallah flew in, I believe on Thursday night, went to the clinic, saw Khamenei for two-three minutes, and came out of the room “in tears.”

Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, the head of the Guardian Council (and the effective leader with Khamenei incapacitated), inadvertently confirmed Nasrallah’s presence in his Friday sermon when he referred to a conversation between the two. The Nasrallah trip had not been announced in any of the Iranian media.

On Saturday morning or late Friday night, Khamenei was transferred from the special clinic to his own residence [palace] and many pieces of medical equipment were also transferred.

At noon, Saturday, Rafsanjani attempted to visit Khamenei but entry was refused and he was told to report back at 1600. When Rafsanjani reported back at 1600 he was told by Khamenei’s son that he could not see Khamenei, so Rafsanjani left again.

As for the alleged photos of the alleged meeting between Khamenei, Ahmadinejad, and Senegalese President Wade, I am confident that there was no such meeting. Wade only met with Ahmadinejad. The purpose of the short meeting was for Wade to deliver a formal complaint on behalf of various poor African countries. Iran, which this year chairs the Islamic Conference, had promised considerable aid to them, but as yet has failed to pay. So Wade asked Ahmadinejad to keep his promise.

I earlier speculated that the photos were falsified, but, as it turns out, the pics (and film broadcast on Iranian TV) were from the files. Wade had been four times to Tehran. The photo of Wade in a Western suit was taken at the meeting of the Islamic Conference in Tehran four months ago. The regime was in such a hurry to put paid to the stories about Khamenei’s illness that the news agencies failed to coordinate the pictures.

Finally, the most impressive evidence of the real condition of the Supreme Leader is that he did not appear in public after the terrible bombing today (Sunday). It would have been normal for him to go on television and address the Iranian people.


Keep checking Michael Ledeen's homepage @ pajamasmedia.com...

He'll post updates from his sources when he gets them.

Also this thread will be updated as well: www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 20-10-2009 by john124]



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 12:37 AM
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Because of this Ahmadinejad now has to create a non-false flag pretext for a broader war and in the process begin conquering the new territories that will make up the Persian New World Order State of Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh and India to be ruled by the new Shah on the Peacock Throne.


You accused the other guy of talking crap, and I agree
, but there's no way the revolutionary guards will invade Pakistan. They're too busy policing inside Iran for a start. The army is not trusted by the govt. which has never really being trusted, and hence the reason for a second army for the regime - the revolutionary guards.

It's still unclear whether the bombings are just Sunni separatists, or whether the regime did this themselves. They probably had help from somewhere in Pakistan, and were funded by the west in 2005, but it's unclear whether there's still any valid links.


Too many suspicions from 9-11 for the Western Intelligence Agencies to pull another false flag, the people will demand an investigation this time, and intense public scrutiny including thousands of well funded private citizens on the trail of 9-11 would be on it from second one making it impossible to cover up who the real culprits are again.


You'll only find the suspicions on ATS or other Internet forum dedicated to conspiracies. And the evidence to support the truther's lacks, so I disagree that "if somehow" the govt. pulled off an inside job, that they actually left any tracks at all for anyone to be suspicious enough for them to fear being caught next time round.

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posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 12:52 AM
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Proty,

I know on a conspiracy site message board one can get away with talk about the rstof the world as if it's all just some TV soap opera. "What will Mahmoud do now that his overtures are spurned?" "Is he really taking orders from the NWO?"

But there's a reason the US is handing Pakistan $7.5 Billion. There a reason the ISI is playing ball with the Taliban and the loose AQ players. Pakistan has a stockpile of nukes. People in control have things they're trying to accomplish. I goes beyond our simple notions of enhanced income and comforts. Volatile is the word. Millions of lives may be jeopardized.

People over there and throughout the West, even in Russia and China, are seeing the same thing.

Cavalier rhetoric doesn't change facts.


M



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 01:04 AM
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Neither do intelligence reports compiled by the Brownies either Michael.

No one is going to detonate a nuclear weapon. That's just been a mutual scam designed to enrich, justify and empower the Military Industrial Complex and to get individual nations and peoples to compromise on their underlying and unifying principals.

They had to use them once to prove that they work and someone would use them if need be.

They know better, everyone knows better, no one is that insane or they would have been used like firecrackers at a 4th of July Celebration a long time ago.

This is just massive propaganda to manipulate the masses to as usual kill themselves to make the rich richer and give them a little more elbow room.

You always try to make these things seem so complicated and dramatic Michael.

The same people have been in control of the entire world for a very long time and they actually get along swell! An inter marraige here and there, a couple of trillion there a few hundred billion there, everyone who is anyone is happy, and no one how isn't anyone has a nuclear weapon Michael.

You can't be that naive.

The people as always are being manipulated by their emotions to act like primal blood lusting savages for their Master's sport and amusement, pleasure and profit.

That's what people do who get their news from the Cub Scouts, and Romper Room.

Pity that human beings are such masochistic creatures.

They plan on returning the Shah to the throne and having him govern a wide region in the post World War III world Michael thats all.

Personally I think it's a bad idea to fall for any of the emotional reasons, ploys and theatrics being employed to get people to fight World War III.

But hey it's you life, you do what you want, even if it is listening to kindergarden intelligence reports.



[edit on 20/10/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 01:30 AM
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I cant see iran actually hitting Pakistan

If i happen pakistan could fire a nuke missile from a old cargo ship offshore of iran and blame israel.

And at the same time the Israelis could fire a nuke missile from a old cargo ship and blame pakistan.

The point then would be that no one would be able to tell who fired a nuke and iran would glow in the dark.

Could not happen to a better bunch of idiots for making threats against other countries.
You have to be idiots to threaten four countries with nukes.
(they also have made threats against the US and UK.)


[edit on 20-10-2009 by ANNED]



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 02:17 AM
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I guess we're talking about two different planets. On the one I live on, Pakistan is a nearly bankrupt close to failed state with no functioning government and a conflicted military that accepts foreign aid but has it's own shifting agendas and alliances.

Not unusual for the region, except the country's unique nuclear arsenal and increasing pressure from hostile Islamic groups can create problem geometrically greater than the usual mass displacement of populations and thousands of tribesmen being slaughtered.

Overblown regional power clashes are the kindling of world wars.

For nearly a billion deprived people in virtually lawless Central Asia, things like fantastical Evil Zionists schemings, the fabled Shah's son, imagined false flag operations, hidden elitist world controllers, are the stuff of story books.

Reporters and analysts with fingers directly on the pulse of these matters are credible resources. Their summary conclusions are based on primary source information. So I'll believe someone like the guy I just met with 4 hours ago. He spent 40+ years of his life in Pakistan. Has two post grad degrees, speaks 6 languages, worked both in Pakaistan's government and independently as an international correspondent.

Maybe it's just me. I prefer fact to fiction.

Something with some knowledge like this:


in2thefray.wordpress.com...

Since the start of the U.S.-jihadist war in late 2001, and particularly since the rise of the Taliban rebellion within its own borders in recent years, Pakistan has been seen as a state embroiled in a jihadist insurgency threatening its very survival. Indeed, until late April, it appeared that Pakistan was buckling under the onslaught of a Taliban rebellion that had consumed large chunks of territory in the northwest and was striking at the country’s core. A Shariah-for-peace deal with the Taliban in the Swat region, approved with near unanimity by the parliament, reinforced the view that Pakistan lacked the willingness or capability to fight Islamist non-state actors chipping away at its security and stability.

In the last three months, however, the state has staged a dramatic comeback, beginning with an offensive in Swat and adjacent districts that has resulted in the state regaining control over most of the affected areas. (The offensive is still under way.) The government action in Swat was followed by limited air and groundoperations in the South Waziristan region, along with an intelligence campaign in cooperation with the United States, which has resulted in a two-month respite from any major insurgent suicide bombings. Most important was the killing Aug. 5 of top Pakistani Taliban commander Baitullah Mehsud in a bombing strike by a U.S. unmanned aerial vehicle.

While many observers still view Pakistan as a state beset by a jihadist insurgency, the government’s counterinsurgency campaign has clearly taken center stage. This does not mean that the jihadists no longer constitute a threat. They are and will remain a significant threat for the foreseeable future, but the state has recently gained the upper hand in the struggle — at least for now.

[…]

Between the re-taking of most of Swat, which has allowed for the return of some 765,000 displaced residents, and the elimination of Mehsud, Pakistan has gained an important edge in its struggle against its Taliban rebels that it can build upon to deliver a decisive blow. But there are a lot of moving parts in play that have to be dealt with in order to ensure continued progress.

Though the Swat Taliban have been damaged, they have not been entirely defeated, which will not happen until their leadership is captured or killed (or until they cannot recruit new fighters from their madrassas). And as displaced residents return to the region, a massive amount of reconstruction and development work is necessary to prevent unrest that the Taliban could exploit. Restoring the writ of the state entails the re-establishment of political administration and local law enforcement, and there are other areas in the NWFP — especially the districts that run parallel to the FATA — that also need to be brought back under government control.

In Waziristan and the rest of the FATA, Mehsud’s death has wounded the Taliban, but they are very much entrenched in the region, along with their al Qaeda and other transnational allies. Any counterinsurgency campaign in the tribal areas is going to be exponentially more difficult than the offensive in Swat. This is why the military is now aligning itself with pro-Pakistani tribal and militant forces to try and root out those waging war against the state. Being able to distinguish between those militants hostile to Pakistan and those focused on Afghanistan is going to be hard not only because of the fluidity of the Taliban phenomenon but also because itcomplicates U.S.-Pakistani relations.

Then there is the matter of how Islamabad balances its efforts to re-assert state control over areas on its side of the border with an international move to talk to the Taliban in Afghanistan. The challenge for Pakistan is to regain influence in its western neighbor by reviving its contacts and thus influence with the Afghan Taliban while rolling back Talibanization in its own Pashtun areas. Efforts to neutralize FATA-based domestic rebels impacts Taliban groups focused on Afghanistan, whose support Pakistan needs to crush the domestic insurgency and re-establish its influence in Afghanistan.

While Pakistan’s Pashtun areas are most affected by Talibanization, the phenomenon has made considerable inroads into Pakistan’s core, where the Taliban, like the LeT/JuD, manifest themselves more as social movement. This is why, in addition to the counterinsurgency and counterterrorism campaign, Pakistan has also begun focusing on anti-extremism and de-radicalization efforts — theideological battle — which is designed to drain the swamp in which the jihadists are able to grow and operate. While Pakistani public opinion has turned against the Taliban in a meaningful manner, there are still significant pockets of social support and a large number of people who remain ambivalent about the need for a comprehensive campaign against the jihadists.

Pakistan’s ability successfully to press ahead with this multidimensional effort depends on its ability to contain political instability within tolerable limits and improve economic conditions. While the judicial crisis ended with the reinstatement of the chief justice fired by former President Pervez Musharraf, political stability remains elusive because of the country’s fragmented political landscape and the weakness of its civilian institutions. And while a loan from the International Monetary Fund has helped Pakistan avoid bankruptcy, it will be some time before the economic conditions begin to improve to the point where Islamabad is able to meet its routine financial obligations and pay the multibillion-dollar cost of fighting the Taliban.



M

[edit on 20-10-2009 by mmiichael]



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 11:06 AM
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Wow, just wow.

That has got to be the most comical statement's I have read in a long time.
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:lol


Iran thinks it will win wars with 2 nuclear powers (Pakistan and India).

Besides no links so it is just an opinion.
(Unproven/supported opinon's are ok, but they should be stated as such, not presented like fact)



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 11:35 AM
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Wow, just wow.

That has got to be the most comical statement's I have read in a long time.
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:lol


Iran thinks it will win wars with 2 nuclear powers (Pakistan and India).

Besides no links so it is just an opinion.
(Unproven/supported opinon's are ok, but they should be stated as such, not presented like fact)



Why yes it is just an opinion kind of like your opinion that Black September was from Jordan that you have never been able to substantiate.

Here is the deal though friend...

People carrying out conspiracies that involve deceiving and manipulating the masses don't actually publish Web Sites for people who are incapable of independent thought or being able to think outside of the box and need to see everything in black and white on a URL for their emotionally primed brains to register and imprint.

In fact people who carry out conspiracies go to great lengths so there is no evidence of a conspiracy, that is why it's a conspiracy.

History is rife with conspiracies yet the brainwashed masses are always prompted by their minders and mentors to always assume everything is just as it appears on the surface just as they are told it appears to be.

Amazingly enough those who study actual non-sanitized non-politicized history know that things are almost never as the people were led to believe.

Here is ultimately what thinking inside the box has historically gotten countless millions and millions of people...an early grave inside a box six feet underground if they are so lucky to not have their body that was used for cannon fodder for reasons that were never disclosed to them that they never understood just left laying around like carrion foul.

You keep thinking inside the box and urging others to do the same and you and they will see that same result as that always is the result all throughout history.

You can be a primitive savage who thinks with your emotions who cowers to peer pressure or you can be an independent soveriegn intellectual human being who thinks with logic and common sense.

That choice is yours. It is clear as the story changes from day to day from people who "read an unamed, unsourced intelligent report that is more propoganda history than current event" or you can ask yourself why is the story changing from day to day. You can ask yourself what's the real story, or you can take it from URLS where people parrot what their Masters tell them.

I choose free will.

The world is being manipulated towards another massive world war by the usual suspects.

The fact that you don't suspect that?

Speaks for itself.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 12:43 PM
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Your argument sounds like government issue.

There is no proof.

Just take my word for it or you are uneducated.

Wow, do you work for the government???
(
:lol



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 01:42 PM
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion friend.

In a democracy all opinions should always be welcome.

Once listen to and considered it is up to considerate people to accept or reject them.

The fact that you can't control other people's opinions is a much better thing than you likely imagine.

2 sets of eyes and 2 minds are better than one, 3 sets of eyes and minds are better than 2.

In some cases its all mind over matter. When a person has no mind logic and common sense don't matter.

History displays our govenments the world over always lie to us and manipulate us and withhold critical evidence.

Since humankinds plight has not gotten any better over the course of recorded history I would have to say that's a bad thing.

Clearly all the governments involved and their respective medias are pumping out a lot of lies, misinformation and propaganda currently.

Believe it at your own risk.

We are being misled by the Iranian situation and the spin being put on it.

It is what it is, you are what you are, I am what I am.



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