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Originally posted by Erasurehead
Does anyone in America really want the government to make having health insurance mandatory? Having to report proof of insurance to the IRS or you get a big fine?
That does not sound like freedom to me.
Originally posted by kozmo
Those of you who support the public option talk about it like it's free or something... WTF is the matter with all of you!? Have you learned nothing from the continued abject failures of Medicare and Social Security - two completely bankrupt systems that they are already talking about needing massive cutbacks and rationing to continue? Now you want the same government that destroyed those two systems to handle your healthcare!?!? Do you honestly believe that the numbers they are throwing around for this neat little ponzi scheme are accurate? Name for me just one project that the government has brought in ON TIME and ON BUDGET!!! Just one - I'll sit back and hold my breath for the avalanche of information.
UNBELIEVABLE how gullible and naive people can be!
Edited to stay on topic: The poll is pure manufactured BS to suit the "agenda". Remember, this administration so proudly pointed out that they control the media and the flow of information. To that end, statistical numbers are like prisoners - they will tell you anything if you torture them enough.
[edit on 19-10-2009 by kozmo]
Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
First off you should get a clue about medicare and social security. They both currently sit on huge surpluses. While it appears they may need more funding in the future, currently they pay for themselves. Unfortunately they also pay for much wasteful spending by the goverment so the supluses are simply IOU's from the goverment. A few simple fixes and both will be funded for the extended future.
For social security there is two possible fixes. Increase the retirement age or make people pay the tax on their full income. Since people live much longer than they use to, which is the main reason there will be projected future shortages, it would make sense to raise the age for full benefits. 65 instead of 62 for early benefit and 69 instead of 67 for full benefits is the only change that is needed. It would also help if we had more people working and paying.
As for Medicare, again a small extension of age or a slight increase (1%) in the medicare tax will take care of future deficits. We could also work to decrease costs. They do this by adding more people to the plan (public option) and cracking down on fraud and inefficient care.
I am sick and tired of folks saying the goverment cannot be efficient, Medicare is run more efficiently than private insurance by almost all measures. The VA plan run by the goverment is so efficient that many foriegn goverments have adopted that model for their universal healthcare plans. Why? Because a huge layer of profit is removed. I am tired of giving a portion of my healthcare costs to a fatcat sitting in an insurance company boardroom.
As for the poll, almost all polls have shown that the majority of the public is in favor of a public helathcare option. WITH THAT KIND OF TRACK HISTORY, FOLKS SHOULD LOOK DUBIOUSLY ON THE POLLS THAT DON'T SHOW THAT TO BE THE CASE!
Originally posted by kardenal
It seems to me that the majority of folks who are against the public option are the ones who still have health insurance. Every person I've talked to who doesn't have health insurance is in favor of a public option. It would help me because I've lost my job & insurance, so at least I would be able to provide my kids some sort of coverage as opposed to none...
Originally posted by mattifikation
There's quite a few of us 30 million who simply don't want insurance. Insurance is the business of you placing a bet that you'll get hurt or sick and the insurance company placing a bet that you won't. Then, when you win the bet, they screw you with the fine print. As they say in Vegas, "The house always wins."
I'd rather be left out of it. If I need hospitalized, I'll set up a payment plan.