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Poll: majority now supports public health insurance option

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posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 08:44 AM
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I did not know that...and I am on a limited set income. Medicare part B is bad enough out of what i live on.

Without a public option to hang their gonads over the fire with there will be no real or meaningful change.




posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 08:51 AM
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And that is the whole point I been trying to show here in ATS and on this threads after I figure out what the whole scheme of the health care reform was all about.

See no health care reform is a health care reform without a public option.

Is nothing but another private take over.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 08:59 AM
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TRICARE CHANGES


This is true. It is on pages 77, 172, 218, and 434. You have to dig to see
the changes. We (retirees) would lose the Medicare for

life benefit and would have to pay. We would lose TRICARE as a total care
package. We would not be allowed to keep TRICARE

so when Obama stands and says if you like what you have you can keep it, he
lies.

This is a "Heads Up" on a battle we are facing now and down the road with
the new Administration. The Congressional Budget

Office (CBO) has already drafted proposed legislation that would basically
reduce our TRICARE for Life benefits to a system

whereby we pay deductibles and co-pays up to $6,301 the first year for you
and your spouse, with future years being indexed

to increase with inflation. What can we do? The article below, obtained
from an Air Force Association and written by

BG Bob Clements, best describes what we can do. Please read it and check
the links for CBO language and do what Bob

says-Send this email to every Military Retiree you know and write and email
your Congressman often. For those of you that

might have voted for "Change", you should do it more than often!



TRICARE FOR LIFE'S FUTURE . . .

TRICARE For Life was instituted to correct the broken promise that military
retirees would receive free healthcare

coverage for life and it covers the Medicare co-pay. Now a heavy assault has
begun on Veterans'/Retirees' benefits to

pay for other programs our President promised during the campaign. And it is
a high priority of his administration. The one

item of most interest to Retired Military is in Article 189. If approved by
Congress the first assault wave would hit in 11 and

would hit hard. It would initiate cost sharing to require retirees to pay
the first $525 of medical cost and 50% of the next $4,725

for a first year cost of $2,888 per person. It would be indexed to increase
with inflation. A reason given for this action

(for PR effect) is "overuse" by Retirees.

For those of you who are covered by TFL you will want to pay attention
(Below) to what BG Bob Clements has surfaced

about the future of TFL. In any case, on page 189 of the Congressional
Budget Office report, see the note below on how to

get to that spot, there is a strong recommendation to eventually eliminate
the program as it is too expensive. Just another move

to slight those of us who dedicated much of our adult lives to the defense
of our country.

Strongly recommend that you contact your elected officials and register
your strong opposition to the elimination of the TFL program.

Heads-up from BG Bob Clements, USAF Ret (P38 Bob)

The following has been added to the Congressional Budget Office Web
Site www.cbo.gov/ a. Budget, Options, Volume 1: Health Care

( www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=9925 )

For those who have never opened one of these web sites from OMB :

1. double click on the above URL

2. click on PDF

3. click on the binoculars

4. do a search for TFL

Now here it is folks and I will guarantee if you sit around on your
behind and do nothing about it as they bring these options forward

this coming year, you will lose one of the best healthcare benefits that the
Medicare eligible retired military have. It is short of
the promises m

ade that we fought so hard for back in the late 90s and early 00s but it is
still the best healthcare program that anyone in the United States has, bar
none.

People who are professionals always look for the channel of least
resistance when it comes to cutting money out of the Federal and DOD budget.


I can tell you this straight on, military retirees are one of those channels
of least resistance noted for sitting around, doing nothing, and waiting for
ole Joe

to do it for them. You had better wake up. Your medical benefits are prime
target. If you lose them, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Let me repeat that . . . you have nobody to blame but yourself.

The way to secure your benefits is to write to your members of Congress
and to keep writing and writing and writing. ONCE IS NOT ENOUGH!!

Keep repeating the above statement until you are blue in the face.

Now I'm going to make one more statement to all of you younger people
out there who are not yet eligible for TRICARE for Life. HEALTH CARE

WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME THE DOMINATING FACTOR IN YOUR LIFE. Remember that . .
. it will impact you big time with the utmost in

cruelty unless you are fortunate enough to die from a heart attack or get
run over by a truck.

The service organizations will put up a fight, but, they will need your
help and can't do it by themselves. I hope this makes it clear as to what
you can

expect if you do nothing.

To show you how stupid these professionals can be at times just read
the data on the noted sites closely. You will see that in spite of the MTFs

(Military Treatment Facility) need to get patients back to keep their
doctors busy and the hospitals from going to clinic status, these people
from OMB

would employ a means to keep retirees from using MTF facilities by charging
them a fee for services. How dumb can you get.

Even if you are an Obama fan, and believe that changeth cometh, TFL
option from OMB will not go away. They need the money they spend on you

for other programs for people who produce nothing but vote to keep their
boss in office. If you know of anyone who is Retired Military, please
forward this on to them.

Remember- TFL is an "Earned Benefit" that's been granted by a previous
Congress.

www.cbo.gov...

www.cbo.gov...

www.cbo.gov...

This is the E-mail send to many retirees and vets.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 09:54 AM
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Marg, you've come a long way since we first met... from liberal defender and foot-soldier to objective and critical thinker. Way to go girl!!!!
You've done more to illuminate this topic than alomst anyone else on these forums. I've never seen somebody so motivated to dig and dig and dig! I believe the mods owe you an applause or two - if they still do that! Thanks for all of your hard work!



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 10:09 AM
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Thanks my friend, I am just fed up with the way our nations is heading, I have been around for a while, so I can tell you that we used to have a lot better years decades ago.

Our system of government is eroding so fast that is taking us and our nation with it.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by grover
I did not know that...and I am on a limited set income. Medicare part B is bad enough out of what i live on.

Without a public option to hang their gonads over the fire with there will be no real or meaningful change.



You've summed it up nicely in one extremely relevant sentence.


Today the Senate is hearing from families whose lives were destroyed by medical bills. They lost their homes and eventually had to declare bankruptcy.

Even with the promised protections of not being dropped for actually needing medical care or having pre-existing conditions denied, without the public option, the cost to the beneficiary will skyrocket. The public option is the only safeguard against this eventuality. Freeing up companies to compete across currently designated areas won't keep costs in check effectively either. The bottom line will loom as largely as ever to keep rates high.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 11:25 AM
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What a surprise, an ABC News poll that sides with what the Obama administration wants.


Somehow I think the same poll run by Fox News would show the exact opposite.

Does anyone in America really want the government to make having health insurance mandatory? Having to report proof of insurance to the IRS or you get a big fine?

That does not sound like freedom to me.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 11:30 AM
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This is the problem with people. They feel that Government has to do everything for them. Government does nothing but waste and spend money, start wars and blame everyone else when things go wrong which they always do.

Many American people are useful idiots and this is why both parties are so corrupt. This is why both parties lie all the time.

I use to blame Governments but not anymore. If the people are stupid enough to think Government is going to solve problems that they have been promising to solve for years, then the people will get what they deserve.

We have a 14.4 trillion dollar economy and the Government is wasting and spending trillions of dollars and the people just follow them blindly.

We don't need a Public option when it comes to healthcare. We don't need to be Cuba, Europe or Canada.

Like I said though, if the American people want to be useful idiots then let them be. I have switched my business to operate in the global economy and frankly America is in the rear view mirror for me. If they want to be debt slaves and cheer on this corrupt Government then let them.

It just seems people in this country can care less about their kids and their grandkids and all they care about is which political party they belong to.

We have no jobs and trillions of dollars in debt caused by Bush and now Obama and the Americans just cheer as the Government waste and spends more money.

Hitler was right when he said:

"It's a fortunate thing for Governments that the people don't think."

He also said:

"People are generally stupid, if you repeat the same slogan again and again they will eventually believe it."

Americans are too dumb to realize that the reason they want Government to do everything for them is because Government is getting too big and increasing debt so there's no job creation.

The stock market is going up because those companies operate in the global economy.

The reason you don't have jobs is because people are burdened by big government. In a global economy with cheap labor there's no way we can sustain and support a massive government.

People can't make money in the global economy because they are too burdened by big government.

I would say wake up America but it's too late for that. Americans think Government wasting and spending trillions of dollars is a good thing and this is because they are useful idiots.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 11:31 AM
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Drop the people that are already getting goverment healthcare (Seniors) out of the Rasmussen poll and the rest support it overwhemingly. Perhaps the death panel is something we actually need. Our seniors allowed these politicians to run rampant their entire lives and now they want to stop the country from turning things around. Let's have the public option and let's include the death panel for those already on a public option and oppose a public option for everyone else.

Edited for dreadful spelling and a sticky space key.

[edit on 20-10-2009 by sligtlyskeptical]



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by KissMyBass
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I don't have health insurance and I don't support the public option. I don't see a good reason to turn the country even more socialistic just because I don't have health insurance. As JFK said "Ask not what your country can do for you, rather ask what you can do for your country."

I am not so selfish as to put my families needs above the good of the nation that I live in.


In that case, when you get hit by a car or a bus, or catch a fatal disease we should just let you lie in the street and die. Is that what you believe in? Really?



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 11:45 AM
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Where is the money coming to pay for all these things? Obama said on C-Span that we are out of money and we can't sustain the debt.

The only way that a Government can say we are out of money and then waste and spend trillions of dollars that we don't have is because of useful idiots in this country.

Why in the world does America need to be like Cuba, Canada or Europe?

Do people realize that we are in a global economy with cheap labor? Do people realize that America will sink deeper in debt as the Government prints up money out of thin air to pay for these things and then they will tax you to death to pay the interests?

This is truly sad to see but you can't stop people from destroying themselves. If you are smart you will began to operate in the global economy.

America will become a country with two classes of people. Those who operate in a global economy and those who are slaves to the massive government.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 12:29 PM
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Kinda trickey to get a real number of supporters for socialised errr national health insurance when the one doing the poll (abc) is in the presidents pocket. Be interesting to see the spin on it.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 12:38 PM
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It's all just become a a big game hasn't it?
It's like a constant reviewing of the OJ case -
Which in the end wasn't about the case at all -
But instead -
He who lies the best - takes home the prize.





[edit on 20-10-2009 by spinkyboo]



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 12:43 PM
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and this just after the Obama camp claims they control the media. Just report things going in your favor and the rest of the idiots who are too lazy to check your sources will follow suit, Then you have your majority. Amazing how that works. Create a job for a guy who builds carts, build cart, then wait for someone to drop off a horse. Nice.

And nobody is smart enough to look at the problem. Just create a solution that nobody wants. How about cutting out the lawsuits for BS reasons then see healthcare costs go down.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 01:25 PM
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Thanks for asking, what many people doesn't know so far is how Obama is paying for all this, well. . . Obama has been making deals behind close doors . . .,


EXCHANGE OF INTERESTS

In public, Obama often rails against special interests, accusing them of trying to jeopardize health care reform.

In fact, it is evident that he has been adopting a strategy of "exchanging interests" to make many interest groups jump on his bandwagon.


What the president is no telling he is selling us out because he needs to push his biggest accomplishment health care reform


U.S. drug companies, the first interest group to reach an agreement with the Obama administration, agreed to give the administration 80 billion U.S. dollars to cover some costs of the health care reform.

The U.S. Hospital Association, which represents the interests of major hospitals around the country, followed suit by offering to pay 155 billion U.S. dollars for Obama's health care reform.

In exchange, the Obama administration promised the two groups that it would reject any attempt from Congress to seek further reductions in federal payments to drug makers and hospitals under the government-run Medicare and Medicaid programs.

The American Medical Association, an interest group of doctors, offered their support for the reform on the condition that Obama would make sure payments made to them under the Medicare program wouldn't be cut by a big margin.

The American Nurses Association secured a similar deal.

As a result, insurance firms are virtually the only key interest group still firmly opposed to the reform.

But Obama has plans for reaching out to that group.

The president recently changed his mind and agreed to require individual Americans to buy health insurance. He had opposed the individual mandate during last year's presidential elections.

The new approach, which requires some 45 million Americans currently without health insurance to purchase insurance plans, would open up a new market for insurers.


We have been lie too in a way that is obscene.

news.xinhuanet.com...



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 01:39 PM
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The only thing I'm against is the idea that they want to put me in jail if I don't get health insurance. I'm young and healthy. I eat right, I don't smoke, I almost never drink, I even watch my caffeine intake.

Why should I pay into the same health care system that druggies, smokers, alcoholics, and McDonald's raiding whales are taking money out of? I shouldn't have to put up money to keep people alive who are doing nothing to preserve their own health. They know the risks, let them pay for it.

Unless that part of the bill is dead? Frankly, the rest of the world can do what they want with their money and their health. I just don't have an opinion on the matter as long as they leave my money and my health the hell alone.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 02:09 PM
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Yes that part of the bill is death for now, but not the Medicare and Medicaid you still be paying for that regardless of qualifications, just like SS is for life.

Now what you are going to get now is mandatory health care coverage want it, need it or not, fail to do it? you will get penalized.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 02:27 PM
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This is total and complete propaganda from the MSM who are in the pocket of the collectivists. The US has the best health care system in the world and the most efficient because it is based on a for-profit capitalist model. That means that some people who choose to abandon responsibility for their health and do not want to face the consequences for all the bad decisions they make start whining when they inevitably cannot afford to pay for their mistakes.

Grow up people. The only ones who want socialized medicine are those who want to socialize ever aspect of American life and gut the one true democracy on this planet. The MSM continues to make up this nonsense about people wanting a public option, but if you watch FOX news and real reporting, you see that the numbers for this are just not there.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Yes that part of the bill is death for now, but not the Medicare and Medicaid you still be paying for that regardless of qualifications, just like SS is for life.

Now what you are going to get now is mandatory health care coverage want it, need it or not, fail to do it? you will get penalized.


Do you see anything positive about this Congress doing anything with regards to Health Care?

I'd be interested in finding out because I see nothing good even being discussed quietly in the corners, let alone the major points in either house.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
You have GOT to be kidding...

How many people did they poll? 10? And where were these people? Washington, DC? Who did the poll? ABC?????!!@!!!


Sorry, to answer your question - I've seriously not heard any change of heart around my area. Seriously and honestly, I swear.

Edit to add: You've given me something to research... how the poll was taken.

[edit on 19/10/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]


Here is the truth.
Rasmussen Reports - ObamaCare Poll

54% Disapprove !!!

ABC stacked their poll. Gee, i'm shocked.

So much for that "clear majority" ABC was trying to sell us.


[edit on 19-10-2009 by Eurisko2012]

[edit on 19-10-2009 by Eurisko2012]


Just as Rasmussen consistently showed a higher trend to the Mccain/Palin ticket, or projected a win inspite of all the contrary evidence and the ultimate result?

GEE, I am counter shocked!



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