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Originally posted by Pilot
Let's remember problem-reaction-solution...if these oath keepers get a taste of power, why are they less likely to be corrupted than any other group of patriots-types? What if they are a set up? One thing I have learned from watching this country and world history is it is best to trust no one, judge by deeds not rhetoric.
For now it's all just hot air. Let's see them in action.
Originally posted by chise61
reply to post by djusdjus
You make a valid point, however there are some basics that our military and LEO's do not need a constitutional lawyer to tell them are illegal. They don't need lawyers to tell them that disarming the American puiblic, carrying out military exercises on the American public, etc are unconstitutional.
The thing I want to know is, what has prompted them to think they need to publicly remind the world that they have taken such an oath? And start an organization to coordinate it?
Is there a rash of oath breaking Police Officers, running around the streets violating their oaths?
OK, they talk about fear of a dictatorship, of blockading cities, of disarming the populace, and their refusal to follow 'illegal' orders. Fair enough, if I was them and I got those orders after a coup or some such unconstitutional takeover, I'd like think that I would refuse too.
But the likelihood of that happening is so remote as to be ludicrous. I know it and you know it, even if you are a fan of ATS and the conspiracies espoused here.
Read that again and understand: they are serving notice that they are willing to serve in a revolt against the very oaths they are reputing to confirm.
2.They are now vowing to violate that oath by taking part in a rebellion against the Constitutionally established Government.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Avenginggecko
Do you know any Oath Keepers? I do. My brother and my friend, both Army, one a former Ranger with tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. They're not dreaming of some sort of revolutionary fantasy, they're asserting their allegiance to the country.
[edit on 19-10-2009 by projectvxn]
Is the disarming roving gangs of looters unconstitutional?