Originally posted by seeashrink
Here is the problem as I see it; yes, we can refuse to obey all orders that contradict the Constitution, but then what? When, notice I didn't say "if", the time comes there has to be a point that we go from refusing to obey orders to actually DEFENDING the Constitution. I hope and pray that I have enough wisdom to descern when its that time.
Seeashrink

When the time comes, it will be "brother" fighting "brother", policemen vs policemen, marine vs marine, american vs american. Do you really think most will have the stomache for it?

I am in no way doubting the conviction of the members of Oath Keepers, just saying someone you work with and like will be on the other side when the lines are finally drawn.

I would need to know how the Oath Keepers interpret the Constitution. Bear in mind that scholars of Constitutional Law don't always agree.

I suspect that most of the present members of that group consider Social Security and Medicare to be unconstitutional, because these are federal programs and not state ones. So how would one keep their oath in this case? Round up all the senior citizens who get federal benefits and lock them up? Or just take away their Social Security checks and refuse them medical care if they don't pay through the nose for it? Or shoot them or lock them up if they protest?

A lot of people who really just have an extreme agenda hide behind the claim that they are just defending the Constitution.

Originally posted by Sestias
I would need to know how the Oath Keepers interpret the Constitution. Bear in mind that scholars of Constitutional Law don't always agree.

I suspect that most of the present members of that group consider Social Security and Medicare to be unconstitutional, because these are federal programs and not state ones. So how would one keep their oath in this case? Round up all the senior citizens who get federal benefits and lock them up? Or just take away their Social Security checks and refuse them medical care if they don't pay through the nose for it? Or shoot them or lock them up if they protest?

A lot of people who really just have an extreme agenda hide behind the claim that they are just defending the Constitution.

Um. OK. Right. So the Oath Keepers are going to round up all the senior citizens who get federal benefits and lock them up. Have you been to the Oath Keepers website? Read any of the things there? ......do that.....and then come on back and let us know if the question was answered. Thanks.

Originally posted by Sestias
I would need to know how the Oath Keepers interpret the Constitution. Bear in mind that scholars of Constitutional Law don't always agree.

That sounds as though we can not discern between good and bad.. Your goal is for me to lay down and wait for TPTB to interpret it for me again when they messed it up the first time?

Edit to add: Oops! conspiracyrus beat me to that one.

No consequencE..

Thank you.


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When the time comes, it will be "brother" fighting "brother", policemen vs policemen, marine vs marine, american vs american. Do you really think most will have the stomache for it?

I am in no way doubting the conviction of the members of Oath Keepers, just saying someone you work with and like will be on the other side when the lines are finally drawn.

I agree with your assessment and only time will tell. Whatever plunges this country into unrest/civil war will be lost in the mist of battle. I think that as a result of the chaos it will come down to fighting for survival not an idealology. This is sad, but I believe it will be true. I belong to a survival forum and occasionally we get the Rambos in there that talk about how they are going to "kick this and that" and what I try to make them understand is that the ultimate goal will be survive and not fight, unless absolutely necessary and then to choose those battles wisely. As for me, I had a state trooper (a brother in arms) say that he would do exactly as he was told if required to take weapons away from citizens. I told him to make sure that he did not come to my house, and I made the implication clear.
Seeashrink

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So to the OP, join up....I did.

As for another post directed at my "bottled up'ed anger" ...yeah Im mad , why aren't you? Stolen and bought elections, wars to get oil that we don't need because worthless companies like GM and the like supress and kill better energy ideas, those elected only listing to who has the most money as they worship Owl gods in the woods of California, as their buddies create diseases and then patent the cure.......folks Im fumming

I love it! Thanks man, you just made this thread to me! Great post, star for you from me!

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