reply to post by exposethosesecrets
You're forgetting the barium laced dust particles could get picked up by the wind, therefore making it airborne.
Or it could evaporate out of the tailings dams.
Chemtrail proof! 1990 US Air Force document!, page 8
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reply posted on 19-10-2009 @ 10:25 PM by endisnighe
reply to post by OzWeatherman
Ok to reply to a couple of posts.
1-does anyone know how a turbine engine produces thrust? If talking about an axial flow turbine-the intake vanes increase the pressure of the intake air and directs it to an area that has combustion canisters that inject the fuel at a given ratio. Next that increased temp/pressure is directed across turbine blades that redirect that energy to the exhaust and also to the intake of air(almost the same concept of a rocket-except a rocket does not intake anything). You get thrust from the increase in energy from the intake to the outflow. Thrust equaling the difference of the intake energy to the outflow.
2-adding additives to fuel does not mean anything will be destroyed! C'mon if you think 100% of fuel is used during the detonation cycle of any type engine you are very much mistaken. In car engines for example, only 50-60% of fuel is actually used for combustion and another 20-25% is used for a cooling effect of the chamber. The recycling of vapors is a normal use of canisters in the engine compartment and the catalytic converter is used to supposedly capture the rest of the harmful vapors.
3-upper and lower air levels. At altitudes that normal large body jets fly the atmospheric conditions are all the same. Temp and humidity. At 35,000 ft the temperature is -50F and I have tryed to research the humidity but keep coming up empty. Maybe Oz can help.
4-cloud seeding has been done since the 1950's and the last 60 years their has been no advance in any science since than!!!!!!!!!! /s
5-in regards to debunking anything the government does, do you actually believe in anything that comes out of your own mouth. You have proven that the government has not tried to manipulate weather? C'mon have you investigated the moving of the jetstream by large amounts of aircraft? Or is this a fallacy on my part? I will give you numerous links to data from the AF myself if you deny this.
6-do not really care if you have 2,000,000 mechanics and infinite number of pilots because they have no idea of the chemical makeup of the fuel they burn. Because they look at the color of the FRACKING fuel they use does not mean they have any idea of whats in it! My God if you rationally think about your own excuses you will see that it is not a reputable response.
7-HAARP is not off subject-unless of course you can explain to all us idiots about the purpose behind it. Of course you can speculate like the rest of us and make educated guesses, but I guess that would be the same fracking # you are doing now!
edit for gramma
[edit on 10/19/2009 by endisnighe]
Ok to reply to a couple of posts.
1-does anyone know how a turbine engine produces thrust? If talking about an axial flow turbine-the intake vanes increase the pressure of the intake air and directs it to an area that has combustion canisters that inject the fuel at a given ratio. Next that increased temp/pressure is directed across turbine blades that redirect that energy to the exhaust and also to the intake of air(almost the same concept of a rocket-except a rocket does not intake anything). You get thrust from the increase in energy from the intake to the outflow. Thrust equaling the difference of the intake energy to the outflow.
2-adding additives to fuel does not mean anything will be destroyed! C'mon if you think 100% of fuel is used during the detonation cycle of any type engine you are very much mistaken. In car engines for example, only 50-60% of fuel is actually used for combustion and another 20-25% is used for a cooling effect of the chamber. The recycling of vapors is a normal use of canisters in the engine compartment and the catalytic converter is used to supposedly capture the rest of the harmful vapors.
3-upper and lower air levels. At altitudes that normal large body jets fly the atmospheric conditions are all the same. Temp and humidity. At 35,000 ft the temperature is -50F and I have tryed to research the humidity but keep coming up empty. Maybe Oz can help.
4-cloud seeding has been done since the 1950's and the last 60 years their has been no advance in any science since than!!!!!!!!!! /s
5-in regards to debunking anything the government does, do you actually believe in anything that comes out of your own mouth. You have proven that the government has not tried to manipulate weather? C'mon have you investigated the moving of the jetstream by large amounts of aircraft? Or is this a fallacy on my part? I will give you numerous links to data from the AF myself if you deny this.
6-do not really care if you have 2,000,000 mechanics and infinite number of pilots because they have no idea of the chemical makeup of the fuel they burn. Because they look at the color of the FRACKING fuel they use does not mean they have any idea of whats in it! My God if you rationally think about your own excuses you will see that it is not a reputable response.
7-HAARP is not off subject-unless of course you can explain to all us idiots about the purpose behind it. Of course you can speculate like the rest of us and make educated guesses, but I guess that would be the same fracking # you are doing now!
edit for gramma
[edit on 10/19/2009 by endisnighe]
reply posted on 19-10-2009 @ 10:26 PM by dragonridr
Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by dragonridr
Don't forget that the town is smack bang in the middle of a widespread oil field and Barium a component in the drilling process.
I believe I've tried to point that fact out to Chembreather several times, I even went to the trouble of finding maps of the area showing all the wells.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
But nope, ignorance reigns supreme.
[edit on 19/10/09 by Chadwickus]
Well the air seems pretty good there if the Barium level was .0688 so even with the oil fields there well below EPA standards.What i cant believe is no one called the news station to explain how to convert ug/l to ppm.My god you think someone would have noticed instead they put some rube on the news who puts jars on his pickup truck!Then spends money to send it to a lab calls the news.The news caster is to stupid to know how to convert it says wow thats above EPA standards then airs a false report.
The other funny thing is people are using this as proof that chem trails have dangerous amounts of Barium all because an idiot with jars on a pickup and a stupid newscaster.I guess science is so dumbed down in schools that were in serious trouble.
reply posted on 19-10-2009 @ 10:47 PM by dragonridr
reply to post by exposethosesecrets
Barium is surprisingly abundant in the Earth's crust, being the 14th most abundant element. High amounts of barium may only be found in soils and in food, such as nuts, seaweed, fish and certain plants.Barium is often used in barium-nickel alloys for spark-plug electrodes an in vacuum tubes as drying and oxygen-removing agent. It is also used in fluorescent lamps: impure barium sulfide phosphoresces after exposure to the light.
Barium compounds are used by the oil and gas industries to make drilling mud. Drilling mud simplifies drilling through rocks by lubricating the drill.
Barium compounds are also used to make paint, bricks, tiles, glass, and rubber. Barium nitrate and clorate give fireworks a green colour.
If its so dangerous my god the earths trying to kill us.That does it now I'm ticked i guess ill just go make more co2 to get her back!!!!
Sorry i really couldn't resist i tried oh how i tried.
Barium is surprisingly abundant in the Earth's crust, being the 14th most abundant element. High amounts of barium may only be found in soils and in food, such as nuts, seaweed, fish and certain plants.Barium is often used in barium-nickel alloys for spark-plug electrodes an in vacuum tubes as drying and oxygen-removing agent. It is also used in fluorescent lamps: impure barium sulfide phosphoresces after exposure to the light.
Barium compounds are used by the oil and gas industries to make drilling mud. Drilling mud simplifies drilling through rocks by lubricating the drill.
Barium compounds are also used to make paint, bricks, tiles, glass, and rubber. Barium nitrate and clorate give fireworks a green colour.
If its so dangerous my god the earths trying to kill us.That does it now I'm ticked i guess ill just go make more co2 to get her back!!!!
Sorry i really couldn't resist i tried oh how i tried.
reply posted on 19-10-2009 @ 11:03 PM by allclear
reply to post by exposethosesecrets
debunker? You still have no proof (in hand) that could be used to show probable cause and to file a legal complaint for indictment. You have nothing but words. And there is a good reason for that....because chemtrails are not what you think. I posted this once here, and will try again to show you that it is darn near impossible (physically) to create a "halo" of contaminants that would cause adverse effects in humans.
Take 500 cities. Assume they are being "sprayed" with a chemical...say barium.
Now say they spray each city by 100 square miles. (I realize this is an under estimation based on the prevalence of these vapor trails seen across the world). Therefore, my estimate will be conservative, and not worst case.
OK...now assume the planes are flying at a height of 3 miles. That's 300 cubic miles of potentially affected air space (by your so-called toxic chemical) per city.
300 cubic miles times 500 cities equals 150,000 cubic miles.
150,000 cubic miles = 6.3E+14 cubic meters.
Assume the "toxic" long term exposure level to barium through the inhalation route is 1 mg/m3.
www.atsdr.cdc.gov...
1 mg/m3 x 6.3E+14 cubic meters = 6.3E+14 mg
6.3E+14 mg x 2.2E-06 lbs./mg = 1.4E+09 pounds
or 700,000 TONS of Barium
Annual production of barium is 6,000,000 tons/year
environmentalchemistry.com...
The chemical spraying of barium on 500 cities would utilize 10% of the annual production. That's a lot of barium folks. And when considering that chemtrails are seen around the world, you can incorporate at least 5000 major cities that are being "sprayed". If that were true, then there would be very little barium available for other uses, or we would see a phenomenally large increase in the price of barium (supply and demand).
Assuming 5000 cities, and 100 square miles...the total is 500,000 square miles. The total earth surface is 197,000,000 square miles. That's roughly 0.3% of the total surface area being sprayed. Not much at all.
www.blueplanetbiomes.org...
This is just a quick "back of the envelope" calculation to help those understand the magnitude of this operation if it exists. I doubt it seriously.
I do believe that it is largely water vapor that has crystallized. And I hypothesize that it is being done for a reason, above and beyond what is released from normal air travel. The skies are being made opaque for a reason. Maybe some form of weather control. Who knows. Who cares. Regardless of what they say...the truth will not set you free. Sorry.
I have provided more accurate calcs in other forums, but they are ignored because many in todays world cannot live without sensationalism.
debunker? You still have no proof (in hand) that could be used to show probable cause and to file a legal complaint for indictment. You have nothing but words. And there is a good reason for that....because chemtrails are not what you think. I posted this once here, and will try again to show you that it is darn near impossible (physically) to create a "halo" of contaminants that would cause adverse effects in humans.
Take 500 cities. Assume they are being "sprayed" with a chemical...say barium.
Now say they spray each city by 100 square miles. (I realize this is an under estimation based on the prevalence of these vapor trails seen across the world). Therefore, my estimate will be conservative, and not worst case.
OK...now assume the planes are flying at a height of 3 miles. That's 300 cubic miles of potentially affected air space (by your so-called toxic chemical) per city.
300 cubic miles times 500 cities equals 150,000 cubic miles.
150,000 cubic miles = 6.3E+14 cubic meters.
Assume the "toxic" long term exposure level to barium through the inhalation route is 1 mg/m3.
www.atsdr.cdc.gov...
1 mg/m3 x 6.3E+14 cubic meters = 6.3E+14 mg
6.3E+14 mg x 2.2E-06 lbs./mg = 1.4E+09 pounds
or 700,000 TONS of Barium
Annual production of barium is 6,000,000 tons/year
environmentalchemistry.com...
The chemical spraying of barium on 500 cities would utilize 10% of the annual production. That's a lot of barium folks. And when considering that chemtrails are seen around the world, you can incorporate at least 5000 major cities that are being "sprayed". If that were true, then there would be very little barium available for other uses, or we would see a phenomenally large increase in the price of barium (supply and demand).
Assuming 5000 cities, and 100 square miles...the total is 500,000 square miles. The total earth surface is 197,000,000 square miles. That's roughly 0.3% of the total surface area being sprayed. Not much at all.
www.blueplanetbiomes.org...
This is just a quick "back of the envelope" calculation to help those understand the magnitude of this operation if it exists. I doubt it seriously.
I do believe that it is largely water vapor that has crystallized. And I hypothesize that it is being done for a reason, above and beyond what is released from normal air travel. The skies are being made opaque for a reason. Maybe some form of weather control. Who knows. Who cares. Regardless of what they say...the truth will not set you free. Sorry.
I have provided more accurate calcs in other forums, but they are ignored because many in todays world cannot live without sensationalism.
reply posted on 19-10-2009 @ 11:41 PM by samh69
www.holmestead.ca...
pdf by teller down the bottom
en.wikipedia.org...
kinda lol that its all on wiki, there not chemtrails, dont be silly, there "Stratospheric sulfate aerosols " , there much friendlier name lol
pdf by teller down the bottom
en.wikipedia.org...
kinda lol that its all on wiki, there not chemtrails, dont be silly, there "Stratospheric sulfate aerosols " , there much friendlier name lol
reply posted on 19-10-2009 @ 11:58 PM by thegreatobserver
reply to post by OzWeatherman
I took a few pictures end of 2008 in Los Angeles. One is attached here.
At that time these, what you call "contrails" only formed and were visible on Mondays and Wednesdays; rest of the week typical blue sky and sun. Now, that's a quite interesting weather phenomenon, don't you think? Or might it be that it has to do with a flight schedule?
You also mentioned that they don't form in the middle east because of the dry weather. Well, have you ever been in Southern California? The whole place burns twice a year because it's so dry there.
And believe me, chemtrails are not very rare in that area.
You deny chemtrails, fair enough, you are the weatherman and expert. However, I would like to know what kind of weather pattern that is that makes contrails only visible on the two same days of the week???
I took a few pictures end of 2008 in Los Angeles. One is attached here.
At that time these, what you call "contrails" only formed and were visible on Mondays and Wednesdays; rest of the week typical blue sky and sun. Now, that's a quite interesting weather phenomenon, don't you think? Or might it be that it has to do with a flight schedule?
You also mentioned that they don't form in the middle east because of the dry weather. Well, have you ever been in Southern California? The whole place burns twice a year because it's so dry there.
And believe me, chemtrails are not very rare in that area.
You deny chemtrails, fair enough, you are the weatherman and expert. However, I would like to know what kind of weather pattern that is that makes contrails only visible on the two same days of the week???
reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 12:27 AM by C-JEAN
reply to post by allclear
Yada yada yada yada yada . . .
Those numbers are useless.
What if what IS in the chemtrails,
are experimental viruses/bacterias ???
You don't need tons of them to "get" the subjects, right ??
All clever people KNOW that ! !
And, OP and other chemtrails observers: F & S S S S S. . . B-)
Blue skies.
Yada yada yada yada yada . . .
Those numbers are useless.
What if what IS in the chemtrails,
are experimental viruses/bacterias ???
You don't need tons of them to "get" the subjects, right ??
All clever people KNOW that ! !
And, OP and other chemtrails observers: F & S S S S S. . . B-)
Blue skies.
reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 12:45 AM by OzWeatherman
reply to post by thegreatobserver
To be honest, I would have to analyse the data. Next time you observe this phenomenen, either post in on my thread or let me know so I can examine the weather patterns
By the way nice image, as well as the donut on a rope contrail u also have a hole punch cloud in the cirrus formed by the plane flying through the layer
Edit to add.
Also the middle east and California are two completely different climates. California is a coastal state affected by cold fronts and moist air, while th middle east is part of a dryer, warmer climate
[edit on 20/10/2009 by OzWeatherman]
To be honest, I would have to analyse the data. Next time you observe this phenomenen, either post in on my thread or let me know so I can examine the weather patterns
By the way nice image, as well as the donut on a rope contrail u also have a hole punch cloud in the cirrus formed by the plane flying through the layer
Edit to add.
Also the middle east and California are two completely different climates. California is a coastal state affected by cold fronts and moist air, while th middle east is part of a dryer, warmer climate
[edit on 20/10/2009 by OzWeatherman]
reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 12:51 AM by OzWeatherman
Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by OzWeatherman
Ok to reply to a couple of posts.
3-upper and lower air levels. At altitudes that normal large body jets fly the atmospheric conditions are all the same. Temp and humidity. At 35,000 ft the temperature is -50F and I have tryed to research the humidity but keep coming up empty. Maybe Oz can help.
Do you mean that the atmospheric conditions are completely the same across the globe at the same pressure levels? I can guarantee they arent...and if you doubt this I will provide the proof
4-cloud seeding has been done since the 1950's and the last 60 years their has been no advance in any science since than!!!!!!!!!!
Correct, but recently cloud seeding has been more succesful.
5-in regards to debunking anything the government does, do you actually believe in anything that comes out of your own mouth. You have proven that the government has not tried to manipulate weather? C'mon have you investigated the moving of the jetstream by large amounts of aircraft? Or is this a fallacy on my part? I will give you numerous links to data from the AF myself if you deny this.
Well we do forecast the jetstream so yeah....
6-do not really care if you have 2,000,000 mechanics and infinite number of pilots because they have no idea of the chemical makeup of the fuel they burn. Because they look at the color of the FRACKING fuel they use does not mean they have any idea of whats in it! My God if you rationally think about your own excuses you will see that it is not a reputable response.
But you do?
7-HAARP is not off subject-unless of course you can explain to all us idiots about the purpose behind it. Of course you can speculate like the rest of us and make educated guesses, but I guess that would be the same fracking # you are doing now!
Actually know, my research thread has proven...yes proven that contrails will form under the set condition, so its not speculation its data. Both sides of the argument have provided the data so its hardly unbiased to.
And if the topic of the thread was weather mod HAARP would be fine, but its about chemtrails and stuff.
reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 01:00 AM by ChemBreather
Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by ChemBreather
Then how come south america has less chemtrailing?
or why in the middle east there arent any chemtrails?
I dont know if there are more or less chemtrailing in s.america.
I know they spray alot here at times..
There are chemtrail youtubes from alot of contries around the world...
reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 01:25 AM by ChemBreather
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by exposethosesecrets
ATS is not a place for what have already been shown to be naturally occuring contrails, it is shown over and over again here.
Continuing to post threads on subjects that have a "hoax" nature to them belongs either in a HOAX forum, or not at all.
(snip), dont act like you guys on ATS debunked chemtrails, ok. I see them spray all the time, so your boss may have told a small lie to keep you spreading mainstream teachings on clouds and warm and cold weather. I think we at ATS have learned that these people in science really dont know too much about any thing, right ??
[edit on 20/10/2009 by ChemBreather]
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