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David Wilcock: negative ETs misled governments

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posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by lel1111
Well, could it be possible that these "aliens" aren't all as "alien" to us as we might think? "Aliens" aren't necessarily eight-legged green globs. They could be related to us. (not the green globs)


Hi lel1111,


Your supposition of the "aliens" being related to us is spot-on. The US gov't has cataloged no less than 57 ET races out there (Clifford Stone) with the vast majority of them having very similar DNA to ours -- so similar that they can mate with us and produce viable offspring... which is alleged to have happened many times.


There are variations, like skin color, height, structure, etc, but many of them are so similar to us that they can pass for Earthlings if they were walking amongst us.


And what is really amazing is that our human DNA is not organic from Earth -- it is from the galaxy itself and this is supported by the discovery that the vast majority of the ETs out there have virtually identical DNA to our Earthly human DNA.


We are one big family in this galaxy and soon the humans on Earth will finally consciously join the galactical family that is already out there. The are awaiting us with champagne bottles, fireworks, bongs, wicked punch, food, trumpets and hot, sexy ET girls popping out of cakes.




posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by Historical-Mozart

Originally posted by hermantinkly
Isn't David Wlcock the same guy who claims to be Edgar Cayce reincarnated? That's a pretty outrageous claim. Why wouldn't you take everything else he says with a grain of salt after hearing something like that? I'm not criticizing or anything, just genuinely curious.

[edit on 19-10-2009 by hermantinkly]



hermantinkly,


It's always good to be genuinely curious -- here's a url with which you can explore his claim to be Edgar Cayce...

divinecosmos.com...

Feel free to form your own conclusions after reading that.


Those pictures look very strange to me, Historical-Mozart. The resemblances are pretty dead-on, maybe a little too dead-on to be real though. Especially with him and Edgar Cayce, I think he overlayed portions of his face onto Cayce's face from an original portrait shot (or vice versa) and merged them together in Photoshop, kind of like what someone did with Bush's and Obama's faces in this picture: mikeely.files.wordpress.com...

Besides that, you seem to be pretty ardent in defending Wilcock at all costs, which is extremely ignorant for any 'intelligent' person to do considering that these subjects are in absolutely no way clear, transparent or unmuddied. Infact, I also happen to also know an insider quite well: my brother -- a retired NSA operative with 30 years of experience. My brother has told me many things on the matter of government black ops, classified stealth technology and the ET phenomenon, and while a lot of hethings are similar, a lot of other things contradict what you/Wilcock have put out as "fact." Who should I believe, some guy who so possibly merged his and Edgar Cayce's faces together in photoshop and who talks a load of far-fetched rubbish without an ounce of evidence to back it up, or my retired NSA operative brother who also knows many "insiders" himself from years of seniority? You know what I mean?

I personally consider David Wilcock the Alex Jones of fringe topics. Like Jones, some of what he says is very interesting and could be true, but it's just completely overshadowed by a storm of complete and utter nonsensical BS. You get so exhausted trying to figure out what's real and what isn't that you either a) put your entire trust in him and believe everything (like what you seem to have done), or b) believe nothing and never watch him again. I chose b.



[edit on 19-10-2009 by hermantinkly]



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 09:49 PM
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So your not David Wilcock, you sure are a fan though arnt you? Also i noticed this about you.

Registered: 9-9-2009

considering the info your spreading i doubt that was coincidental. i suspect there is more to you than your letting on but that could be said about a lot of the people that frequent this site. I have to agree with Mr Lizard on this one. Seems to me that a lot of speculation and no hard evidence apart from " trust me i know what im talking about ". Sorry but i do need evidence before i subscribe to any theory as outlandish and so far from consensual reality as his theories are.



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 09:56 PM
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forgive me for just swooping in and posting but....Wilcox is on acid. no I have no proof of it but lets get a grip...not a single thing he has said has any foundation.



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 10:08 PM
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And David's own lineage is pretty significant; he was each of these characters in his own past lives, to wit...

~Edgar Cayce

~King David of the Bible

~One of the prophets in the Bible -- can't remember which one.

~Ra-Ta, one of the builder of the pyramids.



If he actually claims to be each of those figures then I just lost a TON of respect for him because thats just rediculous.



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 10:18 PM
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Actually he has admitted to taking all sorts of interesting stuff over the years.
Not that that should make too much of a difference. Facts are facts i dont care about the source as long as the evidence can be verified.



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by hermantinkly
I think he overlayed portions of his face onto Cayce's face from an original portrait shot (or vice versa) and merged them together in Photoshop,


I can guarantee that he did not photoshop those photos. If you read any of that article that I posted, you would find that people from the ARE, upon meeting Wilcock for the first time, were shocked at the dead-on resemblance between Wilcock and Cayce.



you either a) put your entire trust in him and believe everything (like what you seem to have done), or b) believe nothing and never watch him again. I chose b.


No, I did not choose to put my entire trust in him -- I had my own body of research before I first heard of him and I've known him for over 10 years now -- and, over the years, his body of research has stood the test of time, so I am confident in his body of information.

Over and over, new scientific discoveries supported his model of how life works on the scientific level and I've yet to see any new scientific discovery that invalidated any of Wilcock's model (I say "Wilcock's model" for the sake of simplicity, as his scientific stuff on his site is most collated from numerous sources -- many of them being university professors); and just about every scientific discovery that perplexed the scientists fully supported the Wilcock model.

The recent discovery of this huge ribbon at the edge of the solar system is one case in point -- did you read Wilcock's latest blog that details exactly what is going on with that ribbon? It's right here...

divinecosmos.com...

...and read what he says about something that most scientists out there were perplexed over this totally-unexpected phenomenon, as well as most ATS posters who had discussed this in another thread...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

...and most of them were not able to nail down exactly what's causing this giant magnetic ribbon to form, but the Wilcock model goes much farther to successfully explain this model and, not only that, Wilcock surmised that the highest levels of NASA knew exactly what they were doing with the "coincidental" arrival of Voyager 1 and Voager 2 at the exact places at the exact time, almost a mirror opposite from each other on opposite sides of the big ribbon. Coincidence? I think not.

And lucky you that you have a brother who is retired from NSA. You probably can't post most of what he says on this forum, but, even within the intelligence community, there's contradicting information, as the entire intelligence/military apparatus is extremely comparmentalized. I've seen insiders disagreeing with each other quite vociferously, so it's understandable that you have seen differences of opinion and experience within the intelligence community.

What of your brother's information can you share without endangering yourself or your brother?



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 10:24 PM
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There are lots of very interesting people in the world who contribute to ufology and paranormal research. These "credible" individuals can discuss or present evidence on one or two particular topics. I find it extremely hard to believe that one man named David Wilcock can be an expert on 2012, stargates, Et disclosure, diff types of ET's, bases on other planets, wars in space, abductions.....and the list goes on. To me this man is just monopolizing on every bit of information that intrigues us.



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 10:32 PM
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Somewhat agreed, however where are the facts on this one. I have been hearing "full disclosure to aliens" or how he knows about the transformation 2012 will bring.neither of these topics offer any facts.



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
reply to post by Lil Drummerboy
 


Actually he has admitted to taking all sorts of interesting stuff over the years.
Not that that should make too much of a difference. Facts are facts i dont care about the source as long as the evidence can be verified.



He's been totally dry (no liquor, no illicit drugs of any kind) for 13 years now and going strong, still. Not a sip, a toke of any kind.


So, just because he once took stuff a long time ago does not mean that one has to put any sort of pejorative upon him today.


And he didn't "admit" his past with soft drugs -- he freely talked about it and still does occasionally talk about it to make the point that he's not some damn goody-two-shoes dude -- he's very realistic about the realities of drugs out there, hence he totally stopped it a long time ago.



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 10:55 PM
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a fan huh?
have it as you will.



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by xEphon
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If he actually claims to be each of those figures then I just lost a TON of respect for him because thats just rediculous.



You must understand -- he is NOT claiming that he's been those figures.


Read this...


David confronted his readings about the reincarnation issue on November 27, 1997, and they confirmed that it was true, and "with this knowledge comes responsibility -- great responsibility." They told him that he was "not as configured this time for medical readings" and should devote his time to "teaching universal concepts to the masses." David had a hard time believing what they told him and was slightly argumentative as the reading came in. Soon after this, David began having specific dreams that detailed various aspects of Cayce's life, and he gradually accepted his reincarnation as fact.


...from this...

divinecosmos.com... ocks-best-evidence

...and realize that he totally resisted and argued AGAINST his being the return of Cayce until he finally, reluctantly accepted it.

So Cayce in one reading made it clear that Cayce was Ra-Ta in a past life, so if Cayce was Ra-Ta in a past life and Wilcock was Cayce in a past life, then Wilcock was Ra-Ta in a past life. Understand that Wilcock is NOT claiming it -- those past lives comes with the territory as his being the return of Cayce.

And he has personally told me that he does, indeed, remember bits and pieces of his Ra-Ta incarnation and there's no way that he's making any of this shiat up.

He has made it very clear that, if one is spiritually awake and one commits stupid, karmic acts, like the acts of making false claims of being famous people in one's past lives, then the karmic smack-down would be very severe, but Wilcock's karma is very clean and he's extremely aware of the pitfalls of the inflated ego, so he does not operate on the ego-based hubris at all.



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by lasimplereality
Hello Historical-Mozart,

Back in june 14th, Wilcock posted on his blog a statement that he never came back to prove. He claimed he had 'undeniable proof' about how the conspiracy media is being led astray by the pentagon/NSA. I'm surprised that his faithful followers have not questioned him about it, and maybe you can remind him that he forgot to post his 'undeniable proof.' I'm highly curious as to what this proof is. Of course, not holding my breath that he will ever come back to clarify his own post.

Cheers!

I find it unfortunate how many people are still being taken in by the virulently negative material in the conspiracy media. For the record, I do not consider Obama a saint nor a savior. I consider him the first President since Kennedy who is actually doing his job and trying to make things better for our planet.

As I've said before, the conspiracy media is saturated with propaganda to an unheard-of extreme. I have undeniable proof of this which I have not yet released, saving it for the right time, but I have decided that I will do so within a very short timeframe after returning from Canada -- not more than two weeks.

This proof shows how it's done, the enormous money being spent on it, what they write, who does it, and includes a whistleblower statement from someone who was actually hired on one of these jobs during the election. It is shocking.


Hey H M ... I don't know if you missed this question ... but I am very interested to hear what your take on this? I read this myself somewhere and forgot to check back on it to see what the info was.

You sound like you are in close communication with WilCock and so maybe you can help shed some light on why he hasn't released this information yet?



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by Historical-Mozart
What of your brother's information can you share without endangering yourself or your brother?


Well, he was really open about sharing information back in the late 90s, but back then I wasn't too interested in these topics. Luckily, I remember a lot of what he said. For example he once told me that crop circles were mostly made by humans but that "their minds were being used as the tool" by the extraterrestrial mind(s), much the same way channelers tune into a (alien) source and download information to present to an audience. He's told me that certain drugs, like dimethyltriptamine and Salvia Divinorum open the gates to extraterrestrial communication in other planes of existence, and that certain shadow sectors of the NSA experimented with these drugs on children for a few months in the 80s.

In regards to 2012: dimensions are going to literally merge together, and this merging of dimensions is going to entail an "upgrade" of our DNA. Our DNA was downgraded in the past by extraterrestrials who were regarded as creator gods (The Reptilians, or Annunaki). This DNA upgrade will significantly increase brain capacity and function. When this happens, there will be incredible power. People, simply by coming together and jointly intending something, will instantaneously manifest whatever they want. With the upgraded DNA, you will be superhuman. You will know everything. From walking on water, being telepathic, travelling to another dimension, or being in two places at one time. Anything is possible in the 'higher' dimensions, and so as you intend for something to occur in the melting pot of infinite possibility, so shall you be gifted with the information (consciously) on how to manifest it, because you will be a telepathic receptacle for extraterrestrial energies that will be broadcasting information to you from various parts of the universe. You will be a living encyclopedia, and you will have access to any information you want in order to manifest whatever it is that you intend to manifest so that you could create a desired future for yourself and the planet. All you need do is set out an intention, or a strong inner desire for something, and you will just consciously "know" how to attain it. This phenomenon is the foundation of human creativity. Matter is energy condensed, and energy can take many forms of creativity, but since this has been a controlled society (by the reptilian consciousness, who control this reality through their dimension particularly by influencing thought), human creativity has been impeded and limited.

According to him, this is the reason why remote viewers cannot see past 2012 -- there are an infinite array of possibilities for what can happen. Whether it being in our individual lives or collectively as a species, the course of the future is not fixed and never has been; we have been creating it with every thought and intention we've ever entertained. Apparently, what happens in 2012 and beyond is no different, except that it will be occuring in a much more literal and instantaneous sense. 2012 = we will consciously co-create the future however we desire.



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posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by Horza

Originally posted by lasimplereality


As I've said before, the conspiracy media is saturated with propaganda to an unheard-of extreme. I have undeniable proof of this which I have not yet released, saving it for the right time, but I have decided that I will do so within a very short timeframe after returning from Canada -- not more than two weeks.


Hey H M ... I don't know if you missed this question ... but I am very interested to hear what your take on this? I read this myself somewhere and forgot to check back on it to see what the info was.

You sound like you are in close communication with WilCock and so maybe you can help shed some light on why he hasn't released this information yet?


No I didn't miss the question, so at some point, I'll ask him, but I don't expect an answer any time soon, 'cause he's so busy, but he just might answer, so I'll ask him in one of our normal website-related e-mails.



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 11:22 PM
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Alright, so what about King David and one of the prophets? How did he, or someone, come to those conclusions?
Were these dreams after or before someone suggested he was Edgar Cayce?



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by hermantinkly

Apparently, what happens in 2012 and beyond is no different, except that it will be occuring in a much more literal and instantaneous sense. 2012 = we will consciously co-create the future however we desire.



WOW, hermantinky -- your brother said all that? WOW. That's really great.


It sure sounds like that he's describing the 4-D dimension to a "T", big-time, as this kind of picture of 4-D is very much my understanding of how it will be very soon (after 2012).

So he got this information from his higher-ups in NSA? If so, what does THAT tell you?

I keep hearing over and over that the highest levels of most of the intelligence agencies -- NSA, NASA and many military-industrial agencies -- really do KNOW what is really going on out there. Humanity will have one hell of a steep learning curve post-Disclosure, for sure.

Hey everybody, give hermantinky a star, will ya? Good stuff... now, you're not leading me on, are you?


Nah, your brother's description -- if he, indeed did share that with you -- is an excellent description of the coming 4-D dimension to a "T".

But, hermantinky, can I have it on scout's honor that this story of what your brother told you is, indeed what he told you? Just being careful here.

And I commend you on your memory for someone who was rather disinterested in the subject at the time. Is your brother still around?



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by xEphon
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Alright, so what about King David and one of the prophets? How did he, or someone, come to those conclusions?
Were these dreams after or before someone suggested he was Edgar Cayce?



Please read this...

divinecosmos.com...

...it will answer all your questions and more regarding David Wilcock's past lives. Again, those past lives come with the territory of his reincarnating as Cayce and he is not making wild claims out of mid-air.

[edit on 19-10-2009 by Historical-Mozart]



posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 11:53 PM
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The thing I have noticed about ATS the more a person views seem to be true the more the Hatchet Avatars seem to come after them!



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by Historical-Mozart

No I didn't miss the question, so at some point, I'll ask him, but I don't expect an answer any time soon, 'cause he's so busy, but he just might answer, so I'll ask him in one of our normal website-related e-mails.



That seems to me to be a very dismissive answer.

Are you upset that this has been brought up? Does this put doubt in your mind as to the legitimacy of Dave's other claims? It does to me ... as this is why:

It is a pretty big call claiming to have undeniable proof that TPTB are fully engaged in a comprehensive disinformation campaign against the "conspiracy media".

Now I am not saying that he doesn't have this proof and, if he does, I am super excited to see it presented. If he is right then I will give Dave two big thumbs up.

But to set a pretty concrete time line and not deliver is consistent with many charlatans.

This is the language that he uses:

"I have undeniable proof of this .... I have decided that I will do so within a very short timeframe ... not more than two weeks."

That's almost as concrete as a date and time to me.

When people make big claims and promises like this and then do not deliver then there is no alternative than to be suspicious about all that they have to say ... especially when they are selling something.



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