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Originally posted by MissSmartypants
reply to post by OhZone
Well, I'm not quite sure just what those Milennium people were trying to say but it's interesting that this is not a new subject. Of course it goes back to 1983 with the IRAS satellite.
www.planet-x.150m.com...
How can you deny the existence of Nibiru when NASA discovered it in 1983 and the story appeared in leading newspapers? At that time you called it Planet X, and later it was named Xena or Eris.
IRAS (the NASA Infrared Astronomy Satellite, which carried out a sky survey for 10 months in 1983) discovered many infrared sources, but none of them was Nibiru or Planet X or any other objects in the outer solar system. There is a good discussion from Caltech to be found at (spider.ipac.caltech.edu/staff/tchester/iras/no_tenth_planet_yet.html). Briefly, IRAS cataloged 350,000 infrared sources, and initially many of these sources were unidentified (which was the point, of course, of making such a survey). All of these observations have been followed up by subsequent studies with more powerful instruments both on the ground and in space. The rumor about a "tenth planet" erupted in 1984 after a scientific paper was published in Astrophysical Journal Letters titled "Unidentified point sources in the IRAS minisurvey", which discussed several infrared sources with "no counterparts". But these "mystery objects" were subsequently found to be distant galaxies (except one, which was a wisp of "infrared cirrus"), as published in 1987. No IRAS source has ever turned out to be a planet. A good discussion of this whole issue is to be found on Phil Plait's website (www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/science.html#iras). The bottom line is that Nibiru is a myth, with no basis in fact. To an astronomer, persistent claims about a planet that is "nearby" but "invisible" are just plain silly.
Originally posted by skem64
reply to post by rollerboogie
You say there is no evidence....well, Like you I'm no astronomer but I do understand the principle of "Perturbation". Uranus, Neptune and Pluto were all discovered because astronomers noticed firstly, Saturn "wobbled", then went on to discover Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.
It is agreed Pluto does not have enough Mass to effect Neptune therefore there must be another body out there that does. mathematics proves there is a Planet X.
Originally posted by skem64
reply to post by rollerboogie
You say there is no evidence....well, Like you I'm no astronomer but I do understand the principle of "Perturbation". Uranus, Neptune and Pluto were all discovered because astronomers noticed firstly, Saturn "wobbled", then went on to discover Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.
It is agreed Pluto does not have enough Mass to effect Neptune therefore there must be another body out there that does. mathematics proves there is a Planet X.
In 1978, however, Pluto was found to be too small for its gravity to affect the gas giants, resulting in a brief search for a tenth planet. The search was largely abandoned in the early 1990s, when a study of measurements made by the Voyager 2 spacecraft found that the irregularities observed in Uranus's orbit were due to a slight overestimation of Neptune's mass.[3] After 1992, the discovery of numerous small icy objects within or near Pluto's orbit led to a debate over whether Pluto should remain a planet, or whether it and its neighbours should, like the asteroids, be given their own separate classification. Although a number of the larger members of this group were initially described as planets, in 2006 the International Astronomical Union reclassified Pluto and its largest neighbours as dwarf planets, leaving only eight planets in the Solar System.[4]
Today, the astronomical community widely agrees that Planet X, as originally envisioned, does not exist. However, the concept of Planet X has been revived by a number of astronomers to explain other anomalies observed in the outer Solar System. In popular culture, and even among some astronomers,[5] Planet X has become a stand-in term for any undiscovered planet in the outer Solar System, regardless of its gravitational effect. Other trans-Neptunian planets have also been suggested, based on different evidence.
Originally posted by fetidchimp
reply to post by notreallyalive
Mischeviouself is the MVP, i just watched the video posted and went yeah what is that.
I have emailed an astronomer to see if they can give me some details on what that is.....unless someone in here knows?
This link - www.worldwidetelescope.org...
Then press view shortcut in the top left corner of the site, it should zoom to the spot.
Otherwise -
RA 5H 49M 15s
Dec -4:02:34
I have no other details as i am just some guy that found it interesting
Originally posted by MischeviousElf
reply to post by MissSmartypants
Most of the Vid/Pictures can be explained by optics, flares and normal planetary orbits etc...
However I find a link after playing the last video in your OP interesting here:
Has anyone followed the coordindinates of that object since the time of the video made? Or seen it before, discussed etc?
Can anyone tell me where it is meant to be now, and if so any astronomers out there who know its distance now to us and relative position to the earth, esp the differance in the position of it, AND distance on the date of the video, and the same for now?
Is it a labelled object officially if so what is it called?
Originally posted by erasedhistory
I filmed this on 10/21/2009 in the North West USA. I used an Apex 12mp camera. My daughter took pics of it with her verizon sway phone. We tried other cameras and found that we can only see it on some of them.
[edit on 23-10-2009 by erasedhistory]
This occurs when a camera is pointed at a scene with a very bright, very concentrated source of light like the disk of the sun. (Note – I don’t recommend doing this with any digital video or still camera for any length of time because imaging the sun’s disk on a sensor with a camera lens may cause irreparable damage to the sensor and or camera optics!) Under these conditions, we would expect the resulting image to look uniformly saturated across the image of the sun’s disk or whatever bright object is in the scene. However, some CMOS sensors actually show these super-bright areas as DARK, rather than saturated, as shown below.