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Top Iranian commanders assassinated

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posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 08:14 AM
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That's what I'm thinking too. Wouldn't be the first time this tactic was used. USS Liberty anyone?




posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 08:23 AM
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because remember folks, nothing happens in the world unless its the US/Israel's fault.

Pity we cant package our ego in the bombs we send verses just explosives...what a massive impact that would be



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 08:24 AM
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Does anyone know who or what is most likely to fill the void left by these deaths? Clearly it is the work of professionals. Who they were in the employ of is, most likely to be whoever will most benefit from the deaths.



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 08:26 AM
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Does it really matter if they threatened to nuke Iran? The United States has nukes. Who are we to get on a high horse and tell Iran they can't have them? Are we somehow more moral than them? I doubt it considering we are the world number one purveyor of porn, mindless fluff and war. Considering Bush actually threatened to preemptively attack anyone who he deemed to be a threat to the country I could say they are justified in feeling threatened. Obama has not condemned any of Bush's policies concerning Iran. The whole idea of a dialogue is laughable when it involves the threat of bombs being dropped on you if you don't kowtow to my wishes. I am certainly no fan of the mullahs but considering the lies told about Iraq, I'm not willing to believe the U.S.A. anymore.

But, all my contentions aside it looks like the ATS jingos should be pleased with themselves in the next few months. They can watch all those Iranians die on tv and pat themselves on the back.



[edit on 18-10-2009 by antonia]



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by tristar
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Obviously you away when the U.S. led propaganda machine was in full swing regarding the Iran elections and bloody protests going on. Obviously you missed the countless threads within this site posting how the Iran elections were fixed. Obviously you missed the part were the opposition leader was actually on the C.I.A. payroll around the 80's when they were fighting the evil Iraqi empire.

Peace.
Obviously you have a very overactive imagination if you make the leap from fixing elections and someone being on the CIA payroll 25 years ago to orchestrating and carrying out suicide bombings! I pray to God that you are never given jury duty because I feel sorry for any defendent whose fate you decide. You clearly require no evidence to draw a conclusion.

Has the thought even occurred to you that maybe a few of the millions of people oppressed by the Iranian regime got together and decided to carry out attacks against them? Did you think that maybe this attack was carried out by the same, or likeminded, individuals who have carried out numerous terrorist attacks against Iran over the years? Or does the idea of the US government being involved in suicide bombings just wet your whistle so much that you just have to believe it?

The motto of this site is to deny ignorance. It's pretty ignorant to draw the conclusion you have without even the slightest scrap of evidence.



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 08:30 AM
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ABC News Exclusive: The Secret War Against Iran



A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News. The group, called Jundullah, is made up of members of the Baluchi tribe and operates out of the Baluchistan province in Pakistan, just across the border from Iran.


Looking over the BBC report on this incident it looks like a certain US refrain is being followed.

Replace words such as Jundallah with Al-Qaeda and US/Britain with Iran/Iraq and this all sounds eerily familiar no?


Shia and Sunni tribal leaders were also killed. A Sunni resistance group, Jandullah, said they carried it out.

Parliament Speaker Ali Larijani said "US action" contributed to the attack.

Jundallah has previously been accused by Iran of terrorist activities in the province.

"Very soon we will catch the perpetrators of this terrorist action and punish them," ...

"The intention of the terrorists was definitely to disrupt security ...

"We consider the recent terrorist attack to be the result of US action. This is a sign of America's animosity against our country," ...

Earlier reports on Iranian TV quoted what it called "informed sources" as saying that Britain was directly involved.

The Iranian government has previously accused both countries of supporting the militants.



What's good for the goose is good for the gander, no?

This is going to get interesting.
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posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 08:30 AM
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Hmmm... well if it was Jundullah, then I'd say it was more than likely at least a nod of approval from the U.S.

blogs.abcnews.com...

A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News.

The group, called Jundullah, is made up of members of the Baluchi tribe and operates out of the Baluchistan province in Pakistan, just across the border from Iran.

U.S. officials say the U.S. relationship with Jundullah is arranged so that the U.S. provides no funding to the group, which would require an official presidential order or "finding" as well as congressional oversight.



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 08:39 AM
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Look... all you people bellyaching about how the US is always being blamed for this and that blah blah blah and at the same time want to vilify Iran...

You've got a US backed military group (as reported by mainstream media) who just carried out a decapitation strike against Iranian military leadership.

The war you wanted with Iran seems to be heating up so suck it up and take the blame/credit for this (victory?).

You can't have it both ways.
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posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 08:40 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 08:41 AM
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Of course these attacks were western funded. Bush started such operations in 2008 perfect tactic really because Bush was the declared villain so he was tasked by the NWO to start all the wars and civil liberty violationa then they bring in Obama and he can just quietly continue them and never look like the bad guy.

That being said here is one article declaring secret operations in Iran.

Report: U.S Preparing Battlefield in Iran



The Bush administration has launched a "significant escalation" of covert operations in Iran, sending U.S. commandos to spy on the country's nuclear facilities and undermine the Islamic republic's government, journalist Seymour Hersh said Sunday.


BTW Seymour Hersh is Jewish so you can forget the anti-semetism argument. Even if some wish to claim he is a self hating Jew here is another article not by him this one from Fed 2009.

Telegraph: Israel Launches covert war against Iran




Israel has launched a covert war against Iran as an alternative to direct military strikes against Tehran's nuclear programme, US intelligence sources have revealed. It is using hitmen, sabotage, front companies and double agents to disrupt the regime's illicit weapons project, the experts say. The most dramatic element of the "decapitation" programme is the planned assassination of top figures involved in Iran's atomic operations.

A former CIA officer on Iran told The Daily Telegraph: "Disruption is designed to slow progress on the programme, done in such a way that they don't realise what's happening. You are never going to stop it. "The goal is delay, delay, delay until you can come up with some other solution or approach. We certainly don't want the current Iranian government to have those weapons. It's a good policy, short of taking them out militarily, which probably carries unacceptable risks."


You can bury your heads in the sand all you want but the informed know what is going down over there.


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posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Yeah clear house of questionables. Then use it as a false flag to blame the West/US/Israel so that they can attempt to garner Iranian public opinion.

Why not?

I mean everybody is constantly accusing the US of it here in the states.




With good reason.

The US is constantly accused of false-flags, war-by-proxy and other unthinkable black ops because ...... false-flags, war-by-proxy and other unthinkable black ops are standard operating procedure for US "foreign policy".

The Gulf of Tonkin and 911 were false flag ops. Operation Phoenix was little more than assassination and more torture. The next attack on the US *will* be a false flag attack. With CIA mind fragmentation and programming techniques, the people carrying out the next US attack might not even know it.

Governments and politicians are like diapers and should be changed regularly for the same reason.



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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It's a good thing I don't know anyone like you in the policy circuit. I don't want to be rude, I just don't think you're thinking, nor do I think you're paying attention to events that have taken place over the last 18 months.

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I don't mean to be rude, either, but I think that you are believing what you want to believe rather than looking at the facts. There is ZERO evidence so far that the US or Israel is involved in this attack. Absolutely none. The only thing they have is motive, and that motive hinges on the assumption that Israel and/or the US plans to invade/attack Iran in the near future and wants to eliminate certain members of their military beforehand.

I am not completely rejecting the possibility that the US or Israel was behind this attack. What I am objecting to is the crowd of people who instantly point fingers and talk as though it is an absolute fact that the above-mentioned governments carried out this attack. Such theories completely ignore the plight and frustration of the Iranian people and their motives to carry out such an attack.

People like yourself are so quick to condemn the US government, and Israel, because you already have your mind made up about them and how they act. You'll abandon any logic, reason and common sense so long as it supports your own personal beliefs and agenda. People like yourself would take the word of an admitted terrorist as long as he was implicating the US/Israel in something. You and so many others here have tunnel vision and it goes against everything that ATS stands for.

At least I have the brains and the moral courage to admit that it is possible that this attack was carried out by, funded by or ordered by the US or Israel. I just prefer something along the lines of evidence before I condemn someone or an entire government. On the other hand, no matter how much evidence there is, people like yourself will come up with excuses and dismiss it when it doesn't support the baseless conclusion you came to the moment you read the headline.

And for someone who claims they don't want to be rude, you did a piss-poor job of avoiding it. For the record, I did intend to be rude with my post because I wanted to give you a little taste of your own medicine. However, the rest of my post is filled with logic and common sense, which is definitely not a prescription of yours!



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 08:46 AM
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I don't mean to be rude, either, but I think that you are believing what you want to believe rather than looking at the facts. There is ZERO evidence so far that the US or Israel is involved in this attack. Absolutely none. The only thing they have is motive, and that motive hinges on the assumption that Israel and/or the US plans to invade/attack Iran in the near future and wants to eliminate certain members of their military beforehand.


Please read my other post on this page i clearly present reported info that such decapitation intentions in Iran are present in the US and the Israel agenda. Even if it is purely circumstantial evidence the US has locked up plenty of Arabs without even having circumstantial evidence.



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by Rasputin13

At least I have the brains and the moral courage to admit that it is possible that this attack was carried out by, funded by or ordered by the US or Israel. I just prefer something along the lines of evidence before I condemn someone or an entire government. On the other hand, no matter how much evidence there is, people like yourself will come up with excuses and dismiss it when it doesn't support the baseless conclusion you came to the moment you read the headline.


I love the United States of America.

But, re-read your words and apply them to our invasion of Iraq.



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 09:07 AM
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The timing is a little convinient don't you think?

I don't know.. Being jewish I'm very pro Israeli , but this does seem to have the mark of a joint CIA/Mi6/Mossad op, and I don't like it one bit.
Who wants war? To see yet more death and destruction on innocent people? Yet our goverments seem to be on a collision course to conflict, with yet more families who will suffer loss because of the bloodlust of our so called
rulers.
If it is proved that this attack was funded by our goverments, then that in itself is an act of war on a soverign nation, and coupled with that, using the rational of the war on terror sparked by 9/11, would not Iran therefore be justified to carry out their own "war on terror" against those who funded/trained/equipt those who carried out this operation?


 
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posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop
this was a little too co-ordinated for some group of mountain squablers.

if this wasnt an israeli attack, it was an american backed sunni group who has been training in Iraq.

dont ask me for proof, its common bloody sense to see this for what it is.

What will be interesting is if the ayatollah makes a statement, this is a critical event to occur to Irans military aspect, if he doesnt speak, he is indeed in a coma.

has it begun?


the 9/11 attackers were from saudi arabia (supposedly) and this was a supposedly sunni attack...i fail to see why saudi arabian secret forces could NOT have carried this out. they are the 8-hundred pound gorilla in this, but apparently untouched in the media.



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by Selahobed
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The timing is a little convinient don't you think?

I don't know.. Being jewish I'm very pro Israeli , but this does seem to have the mark of a joint CIA/Mi6/Mossad op, and I don't like it one bit.
Who wants war? To see yet more death and destruction on innocent people? Yet our goverments seem to be on a collision course to conflict, with yet more families who will suffer loss because of the bloodlust of our so called
rulers.
If it is proved that this attack was funded by our goverments, then that in itself is an act of war on a soverign nation, and coupled with that, using the rational of the war on terror sparked by 9/11, would not Iran therefore be justified to carry out their own "war on terror" against those who funded/trained/equipt those who carried out this operation?


 
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who wants war??? ...alot of people do, or there wouldn't be any. in some parts of the world, the benefits of war far outways the benefits of peace



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 09:19 AM
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I don't think so because the attack killed five senior military members. If Iran wanted to pull a false flag they would kill innocents and then garner the support of the people, like the U.S. did. Why would a black ops mission kill their top generals? Makes no sense. And how could a lone islamist nut get that close to top members? It had to have been Mossad/CIA



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 09:37 AM
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To quote Churchill; "jaw jaw is better than war war," and the only people war benifits are the elite few who profit from it. The rest of us have to pick up the broken pieces of lives shattered.
I'm not saying that war isn't neccessary sometimes to get rid of tyrants, but the only ones I see are our rulers who seem to feed from the blood sacrifices of those they rule.
Get rid of them.. Problem solved, but then, as history teaches, we replace one set of tyrants with another.
If humans are too flawed to govern ourselves, then so are the humans who govern.
I personally cannot wait for the righteous kingdom of G-d to come.


 
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posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 09:38 AM
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This being a conspiracy board, what about the Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadi Nejad? If the supreme leader is dead or in a coma, and the Iranian president is worried about being saddled with an authority that will not back his moves; then the Iranian president may be making a bid to tighten his grip on the republican guard. This could be a way for him to have officers that are more loyal to him move up the chain of command. If he moves swiftly, he may be able to orchestra a coup and become the supreme leader of Iran. He has butted head with the supreme leader before and one of the most powerful clerics in Iran supported the opposition leader in his bid to have the elections recounted. He could lose power when a new cleric is named supreme leader. Thus, just because the US and the west are the most likely to blame does not mean that they are actually involved. Also, someone with access to the planning of this meeting and the details of the meeting was involved in this operation.



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