Originally posted by rapunzel222
To the Red Meat causes cancer growth skeptics, here are some sources for you:
1. Science news article titled: How eating red meat can spur cancer progression;
2. the link to the actual study: evidence for a human specific mechanism for diet and antibody-mediated inflammation in carcinoma progression.
Using specially bred mouse models that lacked the Neu5Gc molecule – mimicking humans before the molecule is absorbed into the body through ingesting red meat – the researchers induced tumors containing Neu5Gc, and then administered anti-Neu5Gc antibodies to half of the mice. In mice that were given antibodies inflammation was induced, and the tumors grew faster. In the control mice that were not treated with antibodies, the tumors were less aggressive.
The title should be: How genetically modified rats lacking the Neu5Gc molecule are susceptible to increased tumor growth.
Genetically modified rats? This is not very convincing, at all.
However, humans are genetically deficient in Neu5Gc production and instead metabolically accumulate Neu5Gc from dietary sources, particularly red meats and milk products.
This sounds all too familiar. Sort of like how the over consumption of purines, found in red meat, leads to high levels of uric acid in the blood, which causes gout. Though red meat is full of purines, it does not contribute to the formation of gout.
3. article about a study called: markers for inflammation discovered in breast cancer survivors are linked to survival
OK, what does this have to do with red meat and dairy? I've seen studies that suggest CRP can easily be reduced by regularly consuming fish oil.
4. article with sources and name of study (dietary patterns and breast cancer risk in the shanghai breast cancer study): study links breast cancer to western diet
This observational study simply links a "western diet" to increased incidences in breast cancer. That's it. How do you know that it's not just the sugar? Or a synergistic effect of sugar and dairy, or sugar and meat.
Meta-analysis of animal fat or animal protein intake and colorectal cancer
Conclusion: On the basis of the results of this quantitative assessment, the available epidemiologic evidence does not appear to support an independent association between animal fat intake or animal protein intake and colorectal cancer.
Mortality in British vegetarians: results from the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition
Conclusions: The mortality of both the vegetarians and the nonvegetarians in this study is low compared with national rates. Within the study, mortality from circulatory diseases and all causes is not significantly different between vegetarians and meat eaters, but the study is not large enough to exclude small or moderate differences for specific causes of death, and more research on this topic is required.
“Eating foods that contain any cholesterol above 0 mg is unhealthy.”
Originally posted by Nutter
Here is a personal "study". My mother was diagnosed with diabetes last year. She doesn't have to take medication. Why? Because she controlls it with diet. And she hasn't even gone as far as becomming a vegen or anything.
Also, by your post, can I guess you feel that unhealthy food is just as good for us as healthy food?
Ever see "Super Size Me"?
As far as the OP goes. I've been wanting to eat better lately.
Originally posted by rapunzel222
As its not dangerous as far as my conclusions go, then ive decided it cant hurt me and it might help me. so i eat some from time to time and also eat apple seeds. Since they cant hurt me, i choose to eat them on the bais that they may help me like lots of people say. what have i got to lose?
Cyanides are produced by certain bacteria, fungi, and algae and are found in a number of foods and plants. Cyanides are found, although in small amounts, in certain seeds and stones, e.g. those of apple, mango, peach, and bitter almonds. In plants, cyanides are usually bound to sugar molecules in the form of cyanogenic glycosides and defend the plant against herbivores.
In fact, if you eat enough apple seeds or cherry pits, you could die. Apple seeds contain cyanogenic acids. Cherry pits, and seeds from related fruits, including peaches, plums, almonds, pears, and apricots, contain cyanogenic glycosides. Your body can detoxify small quantities of cyanide compounds. If you accidentally eat a cherry pit in a pie or swallow an apple seed or two, you'll be fine. Actually, if you swallow several seeds whole, you would absorb a minimal amount of the toxic compounds. Chewing the seeds makes them much more hazardous to your health. Children and pets are much more likely to suffer poisoning from eating the seeds than adults.
Symptoms of mild poisoning include headache, dizziness, confusion, anxiety, and vomiting. Larger doses can lead to difficulty breathing, increased blood pressure and heart rate, and kidney failure. Reactions can include coma, convulsions, and death from respiratory arrest. There are several treatment options, but the main thing is to limit the absorption of the chemicals from the seeds. Basically, this means it's important to seek immediate medical attention if a child or pet is known to have eaten several seeds. Usually, the plan of action is to pump the stomach or induce vomiting. Antidotes are available, but they are somewhat controversial. If you or someone you know eats a seed or two, don't worry... as I said, your body is well-equipped to detoxify small quantities of cyanide compounds. They naturally occur in several foods. However, if you were wondering whether or not it's true that the seeds and pits are toxic and potentially lethal... yes, apple seeds and cherry pits are poisonous.
...their pips (seeds) contain amygdalin, a cyanide and sugar compound that degrades into hydrogen cyanide (HCN) when metabolized. Cyanide itself is a poison that kills by denying blood the ability to carry oxygen and thereby causes its victims to die of Apple asphyxiation. At least within the realm of murder mysteries, cyanide is the darling of poisoners because it acts quickly and irrevocably — once a fatal dose has been ingested, there is no effective antidote, and death takes place within minutes. It is sometimes described as having a bitter almond smell, but it does not always give off an odor, nor can everyone detect the scent. Cyanide is usually found joined with other chemicals in compounds: hydrogen cyanide, cyanogen chloride, sodium cyanide, and potassium cyanide. In the death camps of World War II, the Nazis used hydrogen cyanide (Zyklon B) for their gas chambers.