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reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 04:49 PM by silent thunder
Originally posted by kiwifoot
Originally posted by silent thunder
"Many paths, one mountain"
-Zen quote


That's what I've been thinking, but I wonder what people of different religions think of it.

I know they'll probably say that there's is the only way, but I just wonder.


I think the most effective way is to choose a single path for yourself and stick to it, but that doesn't mean other people's paths are invalid.

To use the "mountain" metaphor, if you try to climb a mountain with many paths, you'll get to the summit more effectively by walking along a single path than by wandering among dozens of different paths. That could just leave you circling the base of the mountain endlessly in confusion. Yet at the same time, if you pick one path to the top and your brother picks another, it doesn't mean either of you is "wrong." Both of you will get to the peak eventually if you persist on your chosen paths.

Also, some paths may be more suitable for different people based on their proclivities, personalities, backgrounds, situations, and so forth. A young athelete may be able to scale sheer cliff walls, while a man with a cane might need to take a more gentle and winding way to the top.

We live in an age where there is so much information available it can be very difficult to "pick a path and stick to it." There is constant confusion, constant distraction. My own view is that no knowledge is wasted, and its good to learn about many diffeerent traditions. But at the same time, I think you've got to make a personal committment to one way of thinking and practicing, or you won't get very far. Discipline is needed. But this does not at all imply intolerence for other people's spiritual choices. For some reason, a lot of people have trouble holding both ideas simultaneously, which strikes me as incredibly sad and short-sighted.



reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 05:34 PM by fromunclexcommunicate
reply to post by silent thunder



Maybe thats what the koan about the sound of one hand clapping is meant to explain??

The non dualistic eastern religions train members to understand the relationship between the seer and the seen. Its not something you can teach by just preaching.

[edit on 17-10-2009 by fromunclexcommunicate]


reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 05:39 PM by octotom
reply to post by DaisyAnne



I think many Christians will tell you that you must accept Jesus as the saviour and the son of God to be saved. They say this without really looking at what Jesus was saying, though.

Jesus was pretty straightforward that the only way to get to God was through him:

John 14.6:
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."


John 3.16-17:
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him."

reply to post by kiwifoot


Yes, all religions will lead people to God. But, only one religion can be correct though. At some point, they all start teaching contradictory things. There can only be one truth. Everyone's religion will lead them to either salvation or judgment.

reply to post by Blueracer


Only a few(144,000) will go to heaven.

You should go back and read Revelation. The 144,000 aren't chosen for heaven but for ministry for God.

[edit on 10/17/2009 by octotom]



reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 05:46 PM by Totalstranger
reply to post by kiwifoot



Muslim god is the same god as the judeo-christian god. so they can and do worship the same god. Of course the vatican created Islam, but thats a whole other thread


reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 05:53 PM by DaisyAnne
reply to post by octotom



Oh yes, he was pretty straightforward about it. It is people who have layered double meanings on top of it. That you must accept him into your heart etc. He was never that vague. What he actually wants us to do to be saved, through him, is different to what the church is peddling. It's actually much darker. And beautiful.


reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 06:15 PM by octotom
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Oh yes, he was pretty straightforward about it. It is people who have layered double meanings on top of it. That you must accept him into your heart etc. He was never that vague.

I don't find the phrase "invite Jesus into your heart" to be vague. The reason being, it's just a way to communicate the idea that one has to truly believe on Jesus, not just intellectually believe in him.

What he actually wants us to do to be saved, through him, is different to what the church is peddling. It's actually much darker. And beautiful.

No, it's not really. Christ wanted people to believe on his death and resurrection to atone for their sins and thus gain salvation. That's the straightforward reading of the Gospel. That's what the majority of Christian churches today teach. When we start allegorizing the text, saying that want Jesus really meant was something much darker and beautiful, that's when we get into trouble and miss the meaning.


reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 06:18 PM by octotom
reply to post by Totalstranger



Muslim god is the same god as the judeo-christian god. so they can and do worship the same god. Of course the vatican created Islam, but thats a whole other thread

It may be the same God but both the Judeo-Christian and Muslim traditions can't be right. It's not possible. They're mutually exclusive. Someone is wrong.

As for the Vatican creating Islam, that's a funny idea to me, considering that the Vatican has always been about numbers. Why would they create a faith that would make them lose numbers? lol

I may be wrong, but I don't even think that the Vatican had much control, if any, in that region of the world when Islam came to be.


reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 06:22 PM by DaisyAnne
reply to post by octotom



No no. I'm not saying allegorize it. In fact, quite the opposite. It's all there in the scripture as plain as day. Starightforward, from his lips to our ears. Let the reader understand. Out of all the churches, I do think the Catholic church has the strongest grasp on the rituals with the transubstantiation, even if they cloak the meaning a little.
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