UFO skeptics don't use reason, page 1

The whole premise of UFO skepticism is to abandon reason. This is because they want to get the evidence in the arena of,"it could be anything."

See with,"it could be anything" you throw reason out the window. Reason says, what's most likely and what's less likely. Reason doesn't ask for 100% certainty but UFO skeptics do.

Let's look at some evidence.

Bill Chalker is one of Australia’s leading UFO researchers and the author of The OZ Files: The Australian UFO Story and Hair of the Alien: DNA and Other Forensic Evidence of Alien Abduction.

Bill's personal 'top ten' regional Australasian case list...

1. 31 August 1954 Sea Fury case, near Goulbourn, NSW, Australia (experienced naval pilot, radar visual confirmation, independent ground witnesses, apparent intelligent responses to witnesses’ thoughts about possible collision)

2. 23 July 1992 Peter Khoury “Hair of Alien” DNA case, Sydney, Australia (abduction-type encounter with female Nordic blonde yields anomalous hair sample that suggests “hybrid origin” and unusual genetic profiles)

3. 27 June 1959 Father Gill UFO entity sighting, Boianai, Papua New Guinea (credible multiple-witness sighting of animate entities on UFO with intelligent interactions)

4. 30 September 1980 George Blackwell’s UFO landing and physical trace case, Rosedale, Victoria, Australia (compelling array of physical evidence – ground trace, missing water, effects on witness, other witness)

5. 8 August 1993 Kelly Cahill’s abduction experience, Narre Warren North, Victoria, Australia (possible independent multiple-witness UFO encounter with abduction aspects and physical evidence)

6. 19 January 1966 George Pedley’s UFO nest encounter, Tully, Queensland, Australia (daylight close encounter with UFO take-off leaving physical evidence – “UFO nest”)

7. 14 April 1966 Ron Sullivan’s “bent headlight beam” experience, Burkes Flat, Victoria, Australia (striking UFO encounter, physical traces, bent light beams, possible related fatalities)

8. 6 April 1966 Westall school daylight UFO landing encounter, Westall, Victoria, Australia (multiple-witness daylight landing, physical traces, “cover-up” dimensions)

9. 1977–78 Gisborne UFO abduction milieu, Gisborne, New Zealand (complex and high strangeness UFO and abduction milieu – entities, multiple witnesses, multiple abductions)

10. May – August 1973 Tyringham Dundurrabin intense UFO flap area, New South Wales, Australia (long-term intense UFO flap, multiple witnesses, physical effects, paranormal aspects)

churchofcriticalthinking.org...

Trace evidence

The following presents a statistical analysis of data found in 3,189 reports involving observations of anomalous phenomena or objects on or near the ground resulting in physical effects generated by the unknown objects observed. These events took place in 91 countries between 1490 and 2006. There are hundreds of additional reports of possible trace sites which do not involve the observation of a UFO. All but the most significant of these events have been removed from the primary files and located in a secondary catalog.The analysis permits certain regularities of these phenomena to be brought out. The data indicates there is a certain type of phenomenon which shows stable statistical properties.

www.ufophysical.com...

Alien Abductions

1961 Betty and Barney Hill Abduction
1967 The Betty Andreasson Abduction
1967 Abduction of Herbert Schirmer
1968 The Buff Ledge Camp Abduction
1969 The Antonio da Silva Abduction
1973 The Doraty Abduction, Houston, Texas
1973 Pascagoula, Mississippi Abduction (Parker, Hickson)
1974 Hunter Abducted in Wyoming
1975 The Abduction of Sergeant Charles L. Moody
1975 The Travis Walton Abduction
1976 The Stanford, Kentucky Abductions
1976 The Allagash Abductions
1978 The Cullen Abduction
1978 The Dechmont Woods Abduction
1978 The Abduction of Jan Wolski
1980's Lost Time/Abduction in New York
1980 The Alan Godfrey Abduction
1983 The Copely Woods Encounter
1983 The Abduction of Alfred Burtoo
1985 Abduction of Wladyslaw S.
1985 Abduction of Whitley Strieber
1987 Abduction on North Canol Road, Canada
1987 Hudson Valley Abduction
1987 The Christa Tilton Story
1987 The Ilkley Moor Alien
1987 The Jason Andews Abduction
1988 Abduction of Bonnie Jean Hamilton
1988 DNA Sample From Khoury Abduction
1989 Linda Cortile-Napolitano Abduction
1990 Westchester, N. Y. Abduction
1992 The A-70 Abduction
1994 Abduction in Killeen, Texas
1997 Abduction in Wales
1997 Abduction in Australia, (Rylance-Heller)
1999 Carlyle Lake Abduction
2001 Abduction in Michigan
2003-Abduction in Florida
2004 Francis Family Abduction
2005 Man Abducted in Florida
2005 Clayton & Donna Lee Abduction

www.ufocasebook.com...

I can go on and on.

Reason says you should weigh the evidence as to what's most likely and what's less likely. This is what happens everyday in court. The jurors are not eye witnesses but they make a decision based on the evidence and this is why the standard is beyond a reasonable doubt.

UFO skeptics don't use reason. This is why you will not hear many of them saying these things don't exist. They know the evidence is one sided and they have no evidence so the objective is to move the debate away from reason and put it in the sphere of,"it could be anything."

Of course it could be anything but what's most likely and what's less likely based on the evidence?

Again, there's zero evidence on the skeptics side. See the skeptic would have to show why it's less likely when it comes to every video, picture, radar report, eyewitness account, mass sighting, trace evidence, abduction case and more.

The skeptic doesn't have any evidence to reach a less likely conclusion based on reason so the debate has to be moved to,"it could be anything."

Originally posted by Matrix Rising
Say you have a mass sighting, with polygraphs and solid eyewitnesses. This is evidence to weigh to come to the conclusion that the evidence supports extraterrestrial visitation.

I'll go along with your hypothetical situation and point out that nothing in even your own fantasy scenario would be proof of extraterrestrial visitation.

A mass sighting of a craft is a mass sighting of a craft. You still need evidence that the craft itself is alien. I think this is one of the reasons the really die-hard believers seem to get so frustrated, they skip all of the steps required in proving a theory, then when they get called on it they realize they'd have to go back and actually do the work required. That would frustrate me too.

Another point I feel should be made as an aside: Polygraphs are worthless as evidence of anything. There's a reason polygraph results are not admissible as evidence in court, and it's because they're frequently wrong.

www.youtube.com... (Penn and Teller BS, just because I like them)


reply to post by tothetenthpower

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If this is true, then aliens are a zero factor anyway, and there's no reason for us to even consider their possibility until they decide to tell us.

If that's the case, why spend so much time on it? If there's no way we can "discover" them until they show themselves to us, there's no reason to continue researching what would essentially be a losing theory.

[edit on 17-10-2009 by EsSeeEye]

reply to post by Matrix Rising

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well matrix. I for one do not care greatly for DDRex.. but I have to admit, he's right. as are the rest of them. without the skeptical influence every nut job with a computer would start throwing in their videos of jesus, and elvis in a ufo, posting straight nonesense. without the skeptical influence, the rest of us would believe anything before questioning it.

reply to post by EsSeeEye

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I would agree, only that the curiosity and skepticism of humanity prevents us from just turning a blind eye.

We WANT to know things, that's what makes us human.

~Keeper

reply to post by stanlee

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Again, that doesn't make any sense. Just because there's people within ufology that go overboard, we can't weigh the available evidence within reason?

There's people in all walks of life that go overboard. So what if there's some people within ufology that go overboard, that happens with everything.

reply to post by DoomsdayRex

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Not to mention, he's weighing the probability of extraterrestrial visitation at the same level as seeing a bird out the window.


[edit on 17-10-2009 by EsSeeEye]

reply to post by DoomsdayRex

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There's nothing to think about.

Just because of Enron, should I pull all of money out of the stock market?

Just because there's people within ufology that may go overboard and exxagerate, does that mean I can't weigh the available evidence within reason?

That's just silly. In all walks of life and in every field of study there are people who go too far. I have read physics papers that's way out there, should I scrap the entire field of physics because of this. That's silly.

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