Ohh it seems we are in very interesting times. The senate and house have finally begun actually talking about issues that affect all Americans.

Primarily healthcare.

Now we have seen the propaganda and the harsh rhetoric from all sides come and go these past few months. We've even needed to create a new board to contain it all, but yet, the smartest of you have been dupped!

Public Option Health Care.

It is your best idea...ever.

However, the government, proposed the idea, out of attempting to do what is right, and from the looks of it has completely made a 180 degree turn for what it wants.

Obama was touting as far as last year that he wanted a Public Option, since it would keep insurance companies in check and provide coverage to all Americans.

Now I won't make this a debate about why or why not Public Option VS Private Option is better and vice versa, this about the obvious attempt to destroy any sort of long lasting "change" in the Health Care sector.

So what have they done so far?

Well they have argued and accused each side of propaganda and partisan tactics, they've come up with 5 bills that nobody will ever read, and have put in all these kinds of things like:

* You need to purchase insurance, or go to jail, or be fined.

That's only one example of how they will attempt to blindside you.

Since everybody is now AGAINST the public option, including Mr Obama himself since he's stopped talking about it all together, you now have Private Run Healthcare as the only option.

Now it doesn't matter what the coverage costs, if ALL americans are forced to purchase the insurance, they can drop it by 30% in price, these companies will make MORE money since 300 million people will be forced to buy from one company or another.

So you see ATS, this clever back and forth between Reps and Dems has only served the business interestests and lobysts once again, as they do not care about you, or what kind of value you are getting for your buck.

They only care that EVERY American will be REQUIRED to get healthcare, or else be in contempt of the law.

A public option will actually force the government to do something positive with tax payer money. It would force them to provide quality health care since the people are paying for it.

Now the systems aren't perfect, nothing is. I am Canadian, I enjoy what most call a "socialist" health care system, that works really well for me and my wallet, most of the time.

I urge you all to take a good look at what has transpired here in order to remove this veil the MSM and the government have over you. They are lying so they may do less work and reap more of the benefits.

Thoughts?

Edit To Add: I apologize if my ideas seem a little sporadic today, I quite smoking and this is day 3, I am a little on edge .

~Keeper

[edit on 10/17/2009 by tothetenthpower]

The Devil is always in the details.

I am 100% against a public option UNLESS it is the current Federal Employee Insurance Program OR all current Federal Employee Insurance Program participants transition to the new "public option".


Why? Think about it!

Great healthcare for them on the taxpayer's dime and the "rest of us" get stuck with "substandard" crap.

Real or Perceived - This is the way MOST of us see it.

To many maneuvers were discovered in the past versions of bills that show us that private companies will transition US the workers to public option because it is cheaper and the "hidden little fines" system that prove the intent.

Bottom line - If we have a public option, I expect it to be good or better than my current healthcare plans because I fully believe that it is step 1 to single payer for the serfs. I say serfs because our politicians and Federal Employees in no way want public option for themselves (THIS should tell you something!)

So, Yes on Public Option only if our Federal Employees and Politicians adopt it for themselves.

Other than that, Why not make the Federal Employees Insurance Plan available to businesses and the public at the same cost?

You know why don't you?

IT is freeking really good and will cost to much to let us commoners have it too though theirs is being paid for by OUR freeking taxes.

Yeah... that is why.

Have them put their money where their mouths are. Don't accept a "steaming turd" for yourself while the hypocrites leech better from our own taxes!

[edit on 17-10-2009 by infolurker]

Good post, OP.

A public option is unconstitutional unless we pass a new amendment to the constitution. Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.

I understand why people want a public option. People don't want to pay for their own things, they want unborn children of future generations to pay for it for them. What I don't understand why they don't want to follow the law to make it so.

Private enterprise creates; government destroys. That is the great economic lesson of our times and all times. Period.

The large insurance companys know that they would have to lower rates if they got competition on a governmental scale...their billions of dollars profit a year would be effected a bit, therefore they get sheep in the right wing, heavily paid off of course, to start these "grassroots" movements.

The local yokels have no clue about whats going on here and have spent about a full 3 seconds researching where the origins of this movement is from...they simply hear things like: "the black muslim kenyan president who is related to Saddam Hussein is wanting to kill your grandmother and institute communism style "healthcare (cough..gas chambers..cough)" and will also steal your guns and take away your bulk size bag of cheetos.

They do a fantastic job in getting their message across to the wilderness parts of America and they scream really bloody loud to make themselves sound relevant. The insurance corporations drive around these bad actors from state to state so they can crash town halls and yell, pretending they are locals, etc.

The conspiracy here is how these massive corporations are playing these poor ignorant fools like a fiddle, using mouthpieces like beck, palin, and limbaugh to entrance these joe and jane plumbers to get angrier.

on the other hand....

Obama is a wimp. He (and the rest of the libs) know that this is the intellectual and clever thing to do...its high time he learned from bush and simply do it verses compromise. He will never get actual bipartisan support because the other side is sold out completely to the lobbiests barking in their ear.

Originally posted by marg6043
Pitiful, mandatory = servitude

I don't think so Marg. Mandatory coverage is what will bring down health care costs more than competition. Right now the way the health care system works is that no one is refused treatment if they need it, so many uninsured patients get treatment and can't pay the high cost and don't pay so the hospitals have to spread out the cost to all of us that do pay. that is one reason why the cost of health care insurance is skyrocketing. If insurance was mandatory, then hospitals would not have to spread this cost to us.

Mandatory coverage would be like paying into social security most of your life even if you don't need it, then you receive the benefit later when you need it.

Of course I also think there are other ways to help the medical industry cut costs like tort reform that will be beneficial to both sides. These issues are the only way we will solve this problem. We don't really have to have a public option, so I would not say that it is the deal breaker. Other reforms are more important in my opinion.