The threat of “martial law” is a red herring, page 1
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Topic started on 17-10-2009 @ 08:24 AM by PSUSA
A topic that has made the rounds in the “patriot” community for years is the threat of martial law being imposed on the US.

Martial law is basically “The exercise of government and control by military authorities over the civilian population of a designated territory”. Source

Some people believe that we are just one false flag attack from having martial law enacted.

Let’s examine this threat.

Who exactly is going to enforce it?

According to this document (PDF) there are 882,201 total military personnel stationed in the US as of Sept. 30 2007. Not all of them are combat troops, most are support personnel. Not all of them will cooperate with this martial law. But for the sake of argument, let’s say that all troops will be used to enforce this “martial law”. Let’s make this a worst case scenario.

We have 3,794,101 sq miles in area for them to cover. “But they don’t patrol the desert” you say? That’s right! This is why we will use population density.

We have a population density of 80 per sq. mile.

This leaves each soldier 4.3 sq miles to cover which holds 344 people.

No matter how well you are trained, no matter how much of a bad-ass you think you are, no one in his (or her!) right mind wants to face those odds.

But not all of those 344 will fight? You are correct.

When we fought our Revolutionary War, about 3-5% of the population fought it at the beginning. I think it is safe to say that we have at least as many ready right now. Let’s use the 3% figure. That is a 10 to 1 odds. Bring in UN “peacekeepers” and you can probably up that to 15-20% that will resist, if not more.

And since our soldiers have an uncanny knack for manufacturing resistance out of thin air by torturing and murdering the civilian populations, that number will grow quickly.

Then there is the logistical nightmare of transporting, supplying and sheltering them after they deploy far away from their bases. These supplies will be a prime target for any resistance.

Folks, this cannot be done. If anyone can show me how it can be done, well, the only comments I delete are spam and posts that just have to be from pigs.

This is just one threat out of many that the disinfo scum use to keep their worshipers on edge. But it does have a good side effect. If the government is ever so stupid as to try it, we’ll be ready.

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reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 09:35 AM by gwydionblack
The whole point is that the populace will be lead into believing we NEED martial law, much the same way everyone was led to believe we NEEDED the Patriot Acts.

Once they have it implanted in everyone's mind that safety is only guaranteed through such means, the amount of people that will resist is cut in quarters. The entire point of the false flag attack to instate martial law is the fact that it will undeniably once again bring people together in the belief that their safety is in jeopardy.

The few groups that do resist early such as the militias and whatnot, will simply be billed as domestic terrorists as they already air. The false flag attack will no doubt be caused by a domestic force and thus trust in all these militias will quickly fade. The troops can quickly and efficiently disband the groups and prevent any form of disobedience.

Once martial law is enacted, that is game. There will be probably no chances to meet and organize a resistance, so people would be based solely on their prior plans. Every now and then you would have a rouge force that would pose some kind of threat, but they would be swiftly taken care of and smeared to make to be the enemy.

All they need to do is create some fake "domestic terrorist" group to label people in, much like Al Quida. I could see it now.

"Good evening everybody, breaking news today as another domestic terrorist from the self proclaimed 'Sons of Liberty', the same radical group responsible for the bombings back in October, attacked law enforcement in Detroit today."



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reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 09:52 AM by debunky
reply to post by PSUSA



Ah but you are forgetting the inbalance of power in your little statistic.
It's true that one man with a gun cant controll 344 people. But make that one man with a tank, and suddenly he can.


reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 10:50 AM by lpowell0627
There are several things that you are not taking into consideration:

1. Keeping 344 people in line is only difficult if 344 fight back.

2. There are many people out there that will join the military/police and assist in keeping people under control. People will view this as a "be bullied" or "become a bully" mentality. The number of troops as it stands now is really irrelevant since that will not be the number in existance when TSHTF.

Have you not read that military recruitment is the best that it's been since the 70's? Just wait -- because it is only going to continue to grow.

3. You do not need to control every square foot of the US in order to have complete control. For example, if martial law continues for any period of time, people will inevitably start panicking. Hoarding food, looting, etc., will result in many stores being closed. Once the number of places that are carrying food is reduced, the government will really only have to control them - in order to control everybody. The " Fight against us and you get no food." mentality. This will work for all of the necessities: food, water, etc.

4. The government is not going to focus, nor care about, the more rural areas that people are currently living, or will "escape to". The primary focus will be on the cities and major ports. Once these are effectively controlled, the rest will follow suit. If you can control all of the resources, you can control all of the people that need them.

5. If part of the martial law is knocking out communications, and/or restricting news and information, then the government will have a huge advantage. It's extremely difficult to organize any kind of revolt without communication. Nobody rides around on horses like they used to.

6. People are weaker today than they were 50 - 80 years ago. That's one of the downsides to technology and our modern way of life. There are a ton of people out there that would have no idea how to feed themselves if not for delivery. Sad, but true.


reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 11:38 AM by PSUSA
reply to post by debunky



It's true that one man with a gun cant controll 344 people. But make that one man with a tank, and suddenly he can.


And how many tanks do they have? Not nearly enough to control one medium size city. And how will they be supplied and maintained? I remember reading that in a 300 mile trip, 10% will break down.
Without supply and maintenance, they are just big expensive paperweights.

@ Genus

When (not if) martial law is declared, UAV's would be their main tactic


And you know this how? And how many do they have?

This is a big country, folks. I've traveled all 48 at one time or another. If you live near a interstate, chances are I came really close to your house. I think people that haven't traveled like I have completely underestimate how big this country is.

@ Nirgal


Most of the survivalists on this site are happier preparing for Rambo and Red Dawn than an ice-storm or a flood.


If they would only learn how to drive as if they were sane, that would help 40,000+ die every year because someone did something stupid or got careless.

@ Clark Savage Jr.


That said, however, a certain pretty full state of control could certainly be implemented.


Sure they could. I expect it. They're not stupid. But implementing something and maintaining that control are two very different things. We Americans are very unpredictable. We take a lot of crap, until a tipping point is reached. Then we are merciless.

@gwydionblack


The whole point is that the populace will be lead into believing we NEED martial law, much the same way everyone was led to believe we NEEDED the Patriot Acts.


No. It was rammed down their throats. There was no time to even read that monstrosity before they demanded a vote.


"Good evening everybody, breaking news today as another domestic terrorist from the self proclaimed 'Sons of Liberty', the same radical group responsible for the bombings back in October, attacked law enforcement in Detroit today."


Would you expect them to say any different? If their approval means that much, then stay home. Personally I dont want them to like me. I love it when they call me names. It keeps me on the straight and narrow.

The mainstream press is in trouble. People are turning them off. THey don't have the power they used to have.


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reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 11:42 AM by PSUSA
reply to post by LifENcircleS


Good points.

I'm interested in hearing what you have to say.


reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 02:45 PM by debunky
reply to post by vor78


And of course it doesn't stop with tanks.
It pretty much depends on what kind of control you want.
If obliterating a city to discourage riots in others is an option ...

As for supply: lets see who's breaks down first? Those of the tanks guarding the raffinery, or those in the cutoff city? (250.000 people need a little more than a roof top garden)

I am fairly convinced if somebody really, really wanted it, by all means necessary, it would be possible. Now the Who, and mainly Why are the questions. No convincing arguments on that front as far as i can see.



reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 03:16 PM by ufoptics
reply to post by clay2 baraka


Good point.....and let's not forget the SS troops Obama wants to form. Wonder what their Oath will be?


reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 03:25 PM by AKARonco
reply to post by PSUSA


you make a good point, but I really do believe if people started getting shot, killed, hearded into concentration camps- it would take alot of steam out of alot of peoples sails. alot of people would fall in line, as not to have the same happen to them. As hhorrible as it sounds...Kill a family in front of the neighborhood, and the majority of said neighborhood will do what ever you tell them to keep the same fate from happening to their own family. just numbers, does not paint the whole picture. good post though, and way to think positive!

My opinion would be to be prepared for anything!


reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 03:35 PM by PSUSA
reply to post by ufoptics




but you forgot the nature of the typical US citizen.


No I didn't. It's that 3-5% + out there that will get the job done. We are decidedly not typical. The majority never did anything worthwhile. They still think their votes count and that protesting will affect anything. Hasn't done them much good, has it?

But I am not so quick to write those people off. They aren't the enemy.

@AKARonco


My opinion would be to be prepared for anything!


Agreed.
I admitted they still might try it. I don't have any insider information. It would be the dumbest thing they could possibly do, but desperate people do stupid things.


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