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Documentary - Not Evil Just Wrong

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posted on Oct, 17 2009 @ 07:15 AM
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For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. And so it is with environmental studies and the storm unleashed by Al Gore and those who agree or disagree with him.

This is a movie which, when refused showings at the Toronto Film Festival (and Hollywood), the makers have decided to promote on the web.


The film declares culture war: It pits Tiffany – whom McElhinney met in a pub while seeking human faces for her story – and other average Americans against unfeeling, wealthy elites – the likes of Al Gore – who want to rip away the slim hopes they cling to.

"The elites of the world are making extraordinary decisions about what's going to happen to ordinary people," says McElhinney.

www.thestar.com...


On ATS, the controversy has been contentious to say the least and I doubt very much will be discovered in this documentary which has not already been brought up by the Climate Change/Warming debunkers. However, this film, if it's successful in going viral on the net, should provide much more debate and a search for the truth.

The truth is out there somewhere and, either way, for or against, it's important to talk this through.


[edit on 17/10/09 by masqua]




posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I cannot wait to see this documentary. Thank you, masqua, for bringing this up.

I know I have the reputation of one of the more vocal GW deniers around here, but I have a hard time keeping my mouth (or keyboard) closed when confronted by something that is either untrue or grossly misrepresented, such as An Inconvenient Truth. I only hope this documentary will not follow in the footsteps of Mr. Gore but will instead stick to factual evidence. My intolerance of untruths does not stop at some vague and illusionary right-wing/left-wing divide.

Please keep us all updated on this!

TheRedneck

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 02:27 PM
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The viral marketing has begun. Here is the trailer for the movie some are trying to suppress.



Their website: www.noteviljustwrong.com...

And, it's working exactly as it was intended: Google Results 1 - 10 of about 4,100,000 for "Not Evil Just Wrong". (0.31 seconds)

For myself, I should state plainly that I originally bought Gore's statements hook, line and sinker. Now that I've become a little more educated, thanks to the membership of this website, I'm not so damn sure. There are other considerations which require looking at without prejudice. Who stands to gain by promoting new 'green' technologies which, after a good look, aren't green at all, but obviously based in greed?

I hope that this documentary will prompt members to look at what is said with the same critical thinking that went into An Inconvenient Truth.

[edit on 18/10/09 by masqua]



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 05:53 PM
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Thank you masqua for that.

What I dont understand with this whole debate, is how it has become a "The Incovenient Truth" is correct or not issue, as if after that point it became a debate, that it was the first time data was looked at etc...

Then also as he was politician so his business etc links and spin is known due to his position, well the entire 20-30 years of results, research and debate by those who in the beginning were not getting grants, before it was "sexy" but were infact laughed at by peers, and denied teaching Jobs often times due to military, industrial etc funding of University depts, who were not published in mainstream journals as the control there of the norm, and Publishing Oligarks and business links, that all that work, proof and data is

"conveniently" discarded, not discussed and looked at.

That is the real "Inconvenient Truth" behind all this.

The water was muddied on purpose to keep an open debate going for many more years. Infact GW Bush when in power employed the same firm of PR advisers to fight GW research at home and UN and the IPCC as were used by the Tabacco companies to devasting effect for nearly 50 yrs, just keeping the "Debate" going, and the Tabacco growing, or in this situation "Oil Flowing" and profits up, without laws to keep the emmissions down etc.

Of course it is confusing, 9/11 was done for ultimately shares and oil, a war fought, civilains killed both sides to keep the elite in power and make more £, and still even so much more in plain veiw, measurable and understandable, the exact same thing has happened over GW or as the branding experts in the US changed it to "Climate Change", what chance then has the average person got to make an informed choice on the truth of the situation when it is one of the most complex in science?

There is an very "Inconvenient Truth" and Al Gore was and is part of it, and so are the scientists who ran for funding, and so are the 70% of Scientists in the West who work for the Military Industrial Complex and so is GW bush and his Business Collegues, the publishers, University deans and MSM.

Another inconvenient truth is the bandwagon of "Taxes" that nearly every person has jumped on, it was the ultimate pincer attachk with muddying by those who run the War in Iraq, built the pipeline in Afghanistan and want to keep the black gold running, it gave everyone an excuse to not feel guilty about being part of it, turned the truth into the enemy and dressed the messenger in thiefs clothing. The fact of Taxes for Carbon has nothing to do with GW, it is just the modus operandi of the capitalistic henchman, the bankers the rapists of our labor, the slave traders of course they will tax it, its a way to make money.

It reminds me very much like Skeptics recent thread on the new Politics Forum, the whole issue of GW epitomises this issue for me, it is distraction so that we dont discuss or see the real issue.

Any debate on GW should not include taxes, they are a diffearnt conspiracy, GW is a clear cut biological/scientific/chemical issue and only in those terms can the truth really be found. Whatever else is part of the politics and working of the monetary aspect of it as superficial.

We have once again been taken for a ride, distracted and dumbed down.

Just my 2c Rant, and I look forward to seeing the film on the net Thank You.

Kind Regards,

Elf

[edit on 18-10-2009 by MischeviousElf]



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 06:18 PM
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All I had to do to understand this fiasco was remember 40 years ago the hype that was 'The Coming Ice Age' and the people involved in that. Then seeing that these very same names and scientists were now touting the GW mantra. When these environmental sociopaths ran out of federal grants to run their projects they changed course and realized that investing, in the companies that stand to gain the most from this hoax, and backing the spokespeople for this hoax was more profitable than federal grants could ever be!
The entire affair has profit and control written all over it for anyone that takes the time to look. Am I a debunker? Hell yes and proud of the fact. I will be very gratified to be one of the ones that scream i told you so when this is finally put to rest..if it ever is!

Zindo



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 06:25 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

reply to post by MischeviousElf

Any debate on GW should not include taxes, they are a diffearnt conspiracy, GW is a clear cut biological/scientific/chemical issue and only in those terms can the truth really be found.

In one perspective I will agree. There are two separate issues here, AGW and the taxation proposed to 'fix' it.

But from another perspective, is not motive an inherent part of any action? If AGW is a false premise, and the real causes are natural and the actual results non-catastrophic, would it not be prudent to examine the reason the conspiracy was instigated?

As I see it, as long as AGW is in dispute, the conspiratorial nature of the proposed solutions and their consequences are a very real and integral part of the conspiracy. Should AGW be shown to be real, however, there could still be seen a conspiracy in the proposed solutions.

I guess one could say that carbon credits and green efforts are in double jeopardy due to their unique position within the AGW debate.

In any case, I have been trying to get the word out myself since being alerted to this coming feature. The more who see it, the more intense and thorough the examination of the information presented. And I for one am glad MischeviousElf will be there to keep me on my toes!


TheRedneck

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 06:27 PM
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Wow, I just tried to visit the noteviljustwrong website and was hoping to catch the documentary.

They recently upgraded their provider and the world's nameservers haven't yet been updated...

now how convenient is that!!!

Anyone have an actual IP? If so, thanks in advance.



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 06:31 PM
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I think you've hit on something. We have what we now pay in taxes to our respective state and federal agencies. Then we have the health care that is going to take nearly or maybe even more from our weekly paycheck and then there is this carbon and use tax, which for many, will be probably just as expensive as the previous two I mentioned! Just what are we supposed to live on with this taxing fiasco? How are we going to stimulate the economy if all we are paying are taxes to eat and breath?

Zindo

[edit on 10/18/2009 by ZindoDoone]



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 06:39 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

reply to post by ZindoDoone

There are two definitions to Communism:
  1. An economic system where the state owns all property, and divides the use of said property equally between the citizenry.

  2. Socialism with 100% taxation.


Hmmmm.......

TheRedneck

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



[edit on 10/18/2009 by TheRedneck]



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 07:09 PM
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From what I understand so far about the release of this DVD, the only public viewing that I know of is the Fraser Institute in British Columbia, Canada.

I completely understand why the documentary is not initially free to view. The creators need to recoupt the cost of production for selling and distributing 7,000 copies to be passed around. Once that is collected (and a reasonable profit made, I'm sure it will be available online.

We'll just have to wait or buy a copy (if you can find one), unfortunately.



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 07:11 PM
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This is one of those issues that in one moment, confuses me and in the next aggravates me.

I'm confused that certain people I would believe are inherently intelligent, listen to only one side of an issue, look at only one side of the research and then become completely convinced about an issue.

Then I get aggravated that I ever thought they were "that" intelligent.

But then in today's world we are surrounded by people that live and breathe on ever word Oprah speaks, or if they heard it on NPR, it must be factual. Same with Gore.

Look at the research and you will find the majority of the respected scientific community either convinced that Global Warming is natural, or just not occurring.

Now there are a few hold-outs and that is who the Whitehouse has keyed on. Why? Taxes.... Money....Agenda...

And this is effective. So many people still suck in all that the politicians feed to us and fall for it as the truth of the day, that the agenda to make us more dependent on a huge government in the way of taxation and stimulus checks is steadily marching on.

I mean if a former Vice President said it, it must be true; right?

HOG WASH

NASA reports that GW is a natural product of the environment and should be expected and is NOT a result of any of our actions.
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Does this deter the politicians? Of course not. I mean their OWN SCIENTIFIC AGENCY says they are wrong.... SHEESH

Some interesting facts are here:


Another way of looking at what is going on is the tide gauge. Tide gauging is very complicated, because it gives different answers for wherever you are in the world. We have to rely on geology when we interpret it. So, for example, those people in the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), choose Hong Kong, which has six tide gauges, and they choose the record of one, which gives a 2.3 mm per year rise of sea level. Every geologist knows that that is a subsiding area. It's the compaction of sediment; it is the only record which you should not use.

That is terrible! As a matter of fact, it is a falsification of the data set.

It may be that increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are actually warding off the ice age. In this case, we should give tax relief to coal power stations and factories for every tonne of carbon dioxide they release.

Global Warming Myth

Anyway you look at it, there has to be some underlying reason for the massive build up and obvious misrepresentation of facts being presented to the people. I have always been successful in ferreting out the truth when I followed the money.

There is a HUGE movement on right now to make this Nation less independent and more a part of a global community. So they make our cars and trucks conform to standards unattainable with the technology available; what then? We have to buy them from foreign corporations. They pass a Cap and Trade Bill and what happens then? Average "Joe" and Josephine" can't now pay their electric bills and must turn to the ever ready government to help them keep from freezing to death. Oh Lookie!!! Once again the public has had to depend on the government.

How much longer before legislation drives the power companies out and the government takes them over? Think that will not happen? Yeah they thought that about GM too...

So after the power companies and banks and auto manufacturers are all owned by Uncle Sam, what is next? Well we have had to run rough on several amendments to get all this accomplished, I would predict a repeal of the 2nd Amendment. If not the complete removal of the "Bill of Rights".

Now all of this may sound fantastic and like Sci-Fi to some of you that are younger. But I would have said the same thing about a government owned bank and the government accusation of General Motors.

Global Warming

Just a tool for a far larger agenda.

Semper



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 07:13 PM
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I'll buy several and pass them around when I can...

Semper



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 07:29 PM
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Oy... I'm beginning to get this notion I'm guilty of spamming ATS for this DVD.



If you do purchase one, I'd be very interested in hearing what you have to say on the documentary. I doubt, however, there will be many copies left after today. Viral marketing IS really effective, as you well know.

However, why not wait?:


WASHINGTON, Oct. 16 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Fewer than 50 hours from the 8
pm EDT Sunday launch of Not Evil Just Wrong -- set to be the world's largest
simultaneous film premiere party in history -- the documentary's co-creators
today announced options for people across the globe to watch it FREE over the
internet.

In addition to the thousands of individual DVD/theatrical premiere parties
being hosted across the nation (map available here), the documentary will also
be streamed live over the Internet -- accessed for free by anyone who visits
the site. Not Evil Just Wrong will also be available on several Internet
domains to ensure bandwidth sufficient to handle the expected massive interest
in the documentary.

www.reuters.com...



More news, pro and con:

www.breitbart.tv...
timpanogos.wordpress.com...

[edit on 18/10/09 by masqua]



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 07:29 PM
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There's supposed to be a live premier streaming right now at this URL.

www.ustream.tv...

I may have to fire up a windows box to see if it's working, as I can't seem to get a codec working with it in linux.



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 07:34 PM
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Watching the "Live Stream" now... 36 minutes in..

Almost as enjoyable is the commentary on the chat window running

Semper



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 07:38 PM
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yep.. it's working fine... watching now (in windows... eek)




posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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Watchng it myself. In regards to windmills, I have to agree that depency on them alone is ridiculous. There are about 200 windmills in my immediate area and their efficiency is low while maintenance is high. Not good enough as a primary source for electricity.

Solar, I don't know enuogh about to comment.

As far as coal plants are concerned, as a worker in nuclear energy for much of my life, I don't understand why it's not a viable alternative to coal.

Haven't heard any comments regarding nuclear yet... I guess it's still a taboo subject.

Enjoyed what I've heard so far.



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 08:02 PM
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When I built my home 2 years ago, I approached several companies about putting in solar panels on the roof.. Figured I would get it down now, during construction you know...

Well the cost was 45,000.00 low bid and an estimated 10 to 12% reduction on my power bill!!!!!!

That is just my house...

Do that math.. Figure how long it would take me to break even...

My average power bill is 250.00 to 350.00 per month...

Figure in cloudy days etc..

Completely impractical, to the point of ridiculous...

Semper



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 08:14 PM
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Ontario is getting into windmills and solar power in a big way. The article below is just one of MANY projects underway.


OTTAWA — From the road, it appears as if the sky has fallen to earth. But the enormity of the reflection of cloud and sky spreading across thousands of shining solar panels in a West Carleton farm field quickly disappears as the Arnprior Solar Project comes into view.


The construction site, along Galetta Side Road, houses 312,000 glossy solar panels on 13,000 racks that run row after row after row the length and breadth of the 200-acre field. Some of those rows are a kilometre long. Walking between racks of sloping solar modules that look like an alien crop of machinery is, well, a walk into the future.

www.ottawacitizen.com...


Great when the sun shines or they're all not covered in deep snow. I imagine they'll be handy during hot late summer days, but a 5 month winter might be a problem.

As far as windmills are concerned, I've already stated what I think of them.

Maybe I missed any comments in the documentary about nuclear energy. I like it, always have, but that could also be because it's provided me a job for a lot of years.



posted on Oct, 18 2009 @ 08:16 PM
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Nuke is definitely the way to go..

But once again, the environmentalists shut it down..

No new facilities in decades...

South Carolina has just gotten approval to build a Multi-Stage Nuclear Plant and are supposed to start on it next year..

Barring any injunctions of course

Semper



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