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Now is the time to lose the bad parts of religion. Which is the end of religion
Are you capable of letting them go? Are you willing to live in a society the realizes that there is no god, because... there is no god.
You are purposley NOT seeing the brick wall we are about to run head first into.
These religious people are and always have been the ones behind the wheel. Your sitting their praising the collective intent of stupid people in large numbers.
Originally posted by heliosprime
Taking God from schools.
Originally posted by heliosprime
Open acceptance of gay marriage.
Originally posted by heliosprime
Setting small creatures above man with "environmental protection laws" such as cutting off water in california.
Originally posted by heliosprime
Mass abortion
Originally posted by heliosprime
The complete destruction of financial sector....
Originally posted by heliosprime
The massive corruption from acorn and seiu, and congress.
Originally posted by heliosprime
And now enslavement to the "state" through healthcare.
Originally posted by silent thunder
I also blame the media, which has shattered attention spans and encouraged people to wallow in depravaity, violence, perversions, and materialism.
Originally posted by silent thunder
I have nothing against some prayer in schools, the pledge of allegience saying "under God," or "in God we trust" on currency, etc. To me, these are cultural traditions more than purely religious symbols per se. Those who get worked up about such details (whether pro- or anti-) are chasing shadows.
Originally posted by silent thunder
The real problems go much deeper and are society-wide. Ite a bit like Roman decadence...it can't really be pinned on one single individual or a series of minor and specific details.
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
Satan, using mankind, has totally mucked up the moral fibers of the people, and even has them blaming God for it. ....
Same thing with satan - he tries to make people believe that it's God vs this god or that god or this belief or that belief.....
Make no mistake, ATS'ers, God is a loving God but He is also a just God - reserving His wrath for those of us that don't play by the rules - ....
Yet, all people want to cry is that He is an evil God - why?....
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
reply to post by Witness2008
I.e. Sex outside of marriage - who doesn't have sex before marriage, if we marry at all - it's "accepted" now by society.
But in God's eyes, it is not accepted.
Mankind didn't like that so he started dissing God and either creating another god to believe in, or blatantly damning Him straight up.
Homosexuality - in society today, it's becoming widely accepted. But in God's eyes, it is not.
What did mankind do - he wrote a new "bible" - the Gay/Lesbian "bible"
But God's law on homosexuality have never changed.
But society has made it 'cool' and 'acceptable' and are now passing laws to make it a crime to not accept it as "normal".
If you were God, and had created a universe and your creation started breaking all of your laws and defiling you and mocking you - would you not finally step in and say "enough"?
I would.
I would have done it fifty years ago.
God clearly has more patience with mankind than I.
[edit on 17-10-2009 by nomorecruelty]
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
All of those things are subjective. What you consider depravity others see as normal, the same for violence, perversions and matierialism. In fact it could easily be stated that many of the things you find normal fit into those categories. I mean you're using a computer, isn't that materialistic?
Originally posted by silent thunder
Do you not remember the whole seperation of church and state? Why are you not willing to uphold this? Those words of god were never in the original documents, they were added a long time later! How is it that i know your history, as a foreigner, better than you do?
Originally posted by silent thunder
Its all a matter of balance. Regarding materialism, there is no need for people to wander around as barefoot saints (although I respect anyone who can). On the other hand, there is no need for people to have three-car garages and enormous houses full of junk they never use bought on pure credit.
Originally posted by silent thunder
Other forms of depravity are, in my opinion, somewhat subjective. There will always be room for debate and gray areas. But a society cannot hold together and function properly if everyone is living extreme, pleasure-centric, think-for-today, selfish lives.
Originally posted by silent thunder
I do uphold seperation of church and state, but I consider the things I mentioned in my post to be details that are not worth fighting over. I am aware that many words about "God" were added later, but so what? They can still be traditions even if they didn't originate at the beginning. The British built Stonehenge and, thousands of years later, started saying "God save the King/Queen." These things are both traditions, and yet they started at different times.
Originally posted by silent thunder
And I find your assumption that you "know my own history as a foreginer better than I do" to be amazingly arrogant, based on what is written above. Perhaps you do, perhaps you don't. But does the last sentence in my previous paragraph imply I know more about British history than somebody living in the UK?
Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by nomorecruelty
No ones blaming God for anything. Least of all me. My belief is that there is no one true way to enlightenment, or the Truth, whatever you want to call it.
I've never been real sure man is capable of understanding God's Will, or God's Word. To truly understand God, we must be God...and that we are not.
So prophecy, especially so vague a one as the OP quoted, is essentially meaningless. Save in retrospect.
Originally posted by Jezus
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
If you were God, and had created a universe and your creation started breaking all of your laws and defiling you and mocking you - would you not finally step in and say "enough"?
All those things you speak of are man made laws.
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Originally posted by heliosprime
Taking God from schools.
God was never supposed to be in government run schools, seperation of church and state, do you understand that?
Originally posted by heliosprime
Open acceptance of gay marriage.
Once again a sepeation of church and state. Only the Bible stops such unions and for it to dictate your laws would undermine your constitution.
Originally posted by heliosprime
Setting small creatures above man with "environmental protection laws" such as cutting off water in california.
This comes down to stupid decisions by government, people who don't understand ecology.
Originally posted by heliosprime
Mass abortion
Once again this is based upon your Bible and once again the seperation of church and state is clear! Why is it that i, as a foreigner am able to understand your constitution and even the founding fathers words better than you are able to?
Originally posted by heliosprime
The complete destruction of financial sector....
This is a worldwide phenomenon and i fail to see how it is a curse on america only.
Originally posted by heliosprime
The massive corruption from acorn and seiu, and congress.
This is human nature, it has gone on from the dawn of time and has nothing to do with god.
Originally posted by heliosprime
And now enslavement to the "state" through healthcare.
You just utterly debased every single post you will ever make. Here in the UK we have socialised healthcare and yet we're not enslaved. We have had this healthcare since the late 1940's. Our life expectancy is beyond yours and we spend LESS than america per capita on healthcare.
Quite simply your points are steeped in ignorance and religious paranoia.
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
Save yourself some embarrassment and actually read The Constitution - once you do that, then come back here and provide us with the exact quotes to back up your theory of 'separation of church and state'.
We'll wait.
The establishment clause has generally been interpreted to prohibit 1) the establishment of a national religion by Congress, or 2) the preference of one religion over another or the support of a religious idea with no identifiable secular purpose. The first approach is called the "separationist" or "no aid" interpretation, while the second approach is called the "non-preferentialist" or "accommodationist" interpretation. The accommodationist interpretation prohibits Congress from preferring one religion over another, but does not prohibit the government's entry into religious domain to make accommodations in order to achieve the purposes of the Free Exercise Clause.
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
Save yourself some embarrassment and actually read The Constitution - once you do that, then come back here and provide us with the exact quotes to back up your theory of 'separation of church and state'.
We'll wait.
en.wikipedia.org...
The establishment clause has generally been interpreted to prohibit 1) the establishment of a national religion by Congress, or 2) the preference of one religion over another or the support of a religious idea with no identifiable secular purpose. The first approach is called the "separationist" or "no aid" interpretation, while the second approach is called the "non-preferentialist" or "accommodationist" interpretation. The accommodationist interpretation prohibits Congress from preferring one religion over another, but does not prohibit the government's entry into religious domain to make accommodations in order to achieve the purposes of the Free Exercise Clause.
There you go, a clear speration of church and state. If you want to get into it in depth i am happy to. The US was based upon this seperation of church and state because the British empire saw the monarcy as appointed by god.
Please review your history.
As i have now quoted where the US constitution states a seperation of church and state and the very simple fact that this is public knowledge i ask you to provide evidence to the contrary.
[edit on 17-10-2009 by ImaginaryReality1984]
Originally posted by EMPIRE
I don't like Obama, in fact, I don't like any politician, but even I can see the OP is using the bible to bash Obama.
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
Originally posted by EMPIRE
I don't like Obama, in fact, I don't like any politician, but even I can see the OP is using the bible to bash Obama.
The OP said, about barry soetoro:
"Once great the United States is being destroyed not "By" obama but through obama".
Even I can see that the OP hasn't made the first "bashing" remark about barry.
He is the alien that has been set "above" real americans.