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Originally posted by itstheendoftheworldaswekn
reply to post by superluminal11
There definitely seems to be a lot of conditioning going on at the minute with the tv programmes. I have even noticed it coming into the programmes my kids are watching which I never seen happening before.
Originally posted by down2ball87
reply to post by esteay812
well im young enuff 2 hopefully live the next 40 years hope 2 find out lol may6e 6y then we can have sum answers on sum real su6jects catching my eye at this moment only time will tell 6ut i think u may6e right!!!!
I have considered Hoagland to be a fringe pseudoscientist, not really worth debunking. Sometimes, claims are so silly that they aren't worth bothering. But things have changed recently. Hoagland has been given lots of airtime on the late-night "Coast to Coast AM" radio show, which has millions of listeners. His most recent antics involve the new Mars missions. He is claiming that, among other things, NASA is covering up evidence of alien life on Mars. He says the evidence is in the images returned from Mars by the probes, and the "real" data are being hidden from view.
These claims, like most conspiracy claims, are silly, internally inconsistent, and pretty easy to show wrong. So you might think no one pays any attention to him, right?
If only. He is actually rather notorious in the pseudoscience community. And remember, "Coast to Coast" has an audience of 10 million people. If even a tiny fraction believes in his nuttiness, that still adds up with such a large pool of listeners!
Now, I have been on the C2C show several times myself (once to actually debunk one of Hoagland's ridiculous claims), and I am of the opinion that most of the audience listens to the usual crackpots on the program with their tongues firmly planted in their cheeks. But with so many listeners, it's inevitable that many will take Hoagland seriously.
And you know what? I've let this fester long enough. This kind of pseudoscience is like a virus. At low levels, it's no big deal, but when it reaches a certain threshold it becomes sickening. I don't think Hoagland has reached the level of, say, the Moon Hoax, but he might someday if ignored. I run a risk here of actually giving him the press he clearly wants so desperately, but it's also a risk to ignore his nonsense, again like the Moon Hoax.
And let me be very clear here: Hoagland's claims are insulting. I really don't like it when the devotion and hard work of scientists is unfairly impugned. These scientists are people who are doing what they do because they love it. I get irritated when the subject I love -- astronomy -- is abused, and Hoagland is indeed treating it in an ugly manner. He has the right to say such things (up until it becomes fraud), but I also have the right, and the necessity, to show where he's wrong.
But then I realized why: he claims that alien bases exist on the Moon, and uses NASA imagery to "prove" it. So he was really stuck: he had to support NASA on his page, because if he said the Moon landings were faked, how would he have those pictures he'd been touting? The irony of that situation is delicious to me. One of NASA's biggest detractors, forced by his own nonsense into supporting them.
Originally posted by Thetripplethreatlight
Originally posted by Mortimer452
I've love to see full disclosure but IMO this is the worst possible time the Guvmint could choose to do this.
The political imbalance in our country right now is incredible. There has never been such a strong head-butting between the Dems and Republicans, Liberals vs. Conservatives. It's at least as bad, probably worse, than it was in the early 1990's, which is when the Oklahoma City bombing occurred.
For the government to admit now that they've been hiding any kindof information as life-changing as this from the public would be absolute suicide for the Obama administration. Conservatives are already mad enough about all this big government spending and infiltration into our freedoms (healthcare, cap & trade, etc.) There isn't enough support for our current administration for something like this to just blow over without HUGE consequences.
Mortimer I'm sorry...I think your looking at this wrong. If Obama gives us full disclosure then he can take credit for giving America the truth. He ended the practice of persecuting people like us. He validated us. And i'm sure if disclosure does happen we are also going to see a full huge apology to everyone who was ever silenced or harassed or suffered at the gov'ts hands. Of course no real heads will roll like they should...But Obama will take credit for it, and the public will probably love him for it. Keeping us in the dark will be blamed on other presidents like Bush.