The Great Sphinx is more than 12,000 years old.

Linked to this is Libyan desert glass.


There is an area of Libyan desert strewn with strange bits of glass. For centruies, no-one cold understand where this came from...until...

When they tested the first nuclear bomb in the 1940's in the USA, at ground zero, the desert looked exactly the same afterwards.

For that part of Libya to be lacking radioactivity on that scale, it would indicate that someone set off one or more nukes over 10,000 years ago there.

Originally posted by Bunkered
The sphinx's head is completely dispraportionate in size to the rest of the body especially when you take into account the weathering effects that have taken place on its body/torso. For such an advanced culture you think they would get that right. To me its obvious that tha egyptians re-carved the head to suit. You obviously dont want a large statue depicting any other god than yourself! I have seen many BBC programs stating just this.

Great post! This stuff is very interesting and yet i findit difficult to understand the mentality of the geologists who refuse to believe these amazing cultural relics can be that old!

s&f

for the most part its good ol' dogma

Dogma is the established belief or doctrine held by a religion, ideology or any kind of organization: it is authoritative and not to be disputed, doubted or diverged from. The term derives from Greek δόγμα "that which seems to one, opinion or belief"[1] and that from δοκέω (dokeo), "to think, to suppose, to imagine".[2] The plural is either dogmas or dogmata , from Greek δόγματα.

en.wikipedia.org...

The TPTB push it and the mainstream eats it up

Another key point abut the sphinx is the striations.

Desert sand causes scratches and gouges that are horizontal whilst rainwater causes the same but vertically.

The vast majority are vertical not horizontal indicating striations from a humid tropical type climate that existed 14,000 -10,000 BC.

Howdy

Three of the people you mention Hancock, Bauval and West are not Egyptologists. They are not allowed to work on the Plateau unless sponsored by a organization, however they are free to do non-destructive work there. The German Gentleman you linked too is an eminent Egyptologist but the link you have is just a list of happening on the plateau. Joanna Fletcher wrote an article about the doing of the three gentleman above BEFORE Hawass was appointed the SCA top guy.

By the way do you know who Hawass' boss is?

So I'd say that's a fail. The rule on the plateau is. You can get a permission to dig or carry out destructive research only if you are backed by an organization - this is to insure a paper is produced and the information not lost. Fringe people are notorious for doing 'work' not finding what they want and then not publishing the results - because they are negative.

Originally posted by constantwonder

Originally posted by Bunkered

for the most part its good ol' dogma

Dogma is the established belief or doctrine held by a religion, ideology or any kind of organization: it is authoritative and not to be disputed, doubted or diverged from. The term derives from Greek δόγμα "that which seems to one, opinion or belief"[1] and that from δοκέω (dokeo), "to think, to suppose, to imagine".[2] The plural is either dogmas or dogmata , from Greek δόγματα.

en.wikipedia.org...

The TPTB push it and the mainstream eats it up

Yeah i see what your saying. Its the most frustrating thing in the world! if we are ever going to become enlightened to our past and future things like dogma need to be eradicted. Alas i feel this will never happen and it will be left up to a few to search in vain for truths. Makes you feel imputent!

On another note the glass in the desert could be the result of a meteor strike.

every claim they stake......?


the amount of erosion on the sphinx , makes me think

it is definately over 12000 years old

and wasn't it buried for who knows how long ?

it could be much older than that even postulated

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Your best bet to changing the consensus on the history of Egypt is to find some real hard evidence and then explain why all the existing evidence is wrong or misinterpreted.

That my friends will take a lot of work.

Wishing away the existing evidence and blaming make beleive conspiracies won't help you.

I would point to two examples:

Norse sagas relating to the Norse in America, from the 1880s to the 1960 these were debated fiercely. The debated ended with the discovery of L'Anse aux Meadows

Thompson domination of Mayan archaeology and the idea of peaceful Mayan civilization - overturned by the decoding of the Mayan script.

Evidence folks evidence

Originally posted by radarloveguy


Howdy RLG

the amount of erosion on the sphinx , makes me think

it is definately over 12000 years old

How do you know its 'definately' over 12,000 years old?

I've been studying all the new evidence on the Giza plateau for a number of years now. Everything that has been discovered is truely remarkable and completely blows egyptologists 'theories' out of the water. Pity they're too busy trying to keep the egypt tourist attraction thing alive, whats been discovered should have massive implications on history like nothing ever has or will.
Have a look, if you will, at what this man has discovered the Great Pyramid was for. It certainly was never ever a tomb, nor were ANY of the 80+ pyramids in egypt. Not a single one contained a corpse EVER. This is what the Great Pyramid was used for :- www.gizapower.com...

Robert Schoch at CPAK convention



well heres some supporting evidence

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Conspiracy theories aside.. do you think even if hard evidence was discovered that it would become mainstream knowledge and therefor fact? I realise that statement in itself sounds like a conspiracy theory but i find it hard to believe scientists would just lie down and say "wow, your right, it is older". Imagine all the research money and grants that they have been given being considered a waste! It may even effect large institutions like universities giving grants in the future; unwilling to waste their money.

Just a theory.

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I remember watching that robot go up the corridor live and being very dissapointed at the end. Im going to have good look at that website when i get the chance. Its a thread on its own!

Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by Bunkered

 

Evidence folks evidence

I agree with you, Hanslune,


I found this article that describes a debate between two scientists:

www.davidpbillington.net...


As far as I can tell:

1) The Great Sphinx was covered with sand for 4/5ths of its existence. This is supported by evidence.

2) The Great Spinx displays significant rain-based erosion on its flanks. This is supported by evidence.

3) No rainfall was recorded until around 10,000BC, when that time was the last time that rain fell and the Great Spinx shows thousands of years of erosion. This is supported by evidence.

4) I had a verbal conversation with someone who knew a lot about the Great Sphinx and he related a story -- I'm looking for it on the net -- about some pictures that were taken of the flanks of the Great Spinx and he showed them to a number of hydrological mineralogists and most of them estimated that the rock appeared to show several thousand years of rain-based erosion. I don't know how accurate this story is and I'm looking for it on the net and I do understand that the rate of erosion and the total time span of the exposed rocks are key variables, so I don't know how much stock that one can put into this little anecdote.

5) Keep in mind that virtually NO rain fell after 10,000BC, or at least, very, very little rain fell after that date and certainly not enough to generate significant erosion that is typical of tropical rains.

6) The Great Sphinx was added on, patched-over and fiddled with over the years -- but that was AFTER it had the rain-based erosion, hence the different rates of wear and tear that is apparent today.



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Originally posted by Bunkered
reply to post by Hanslune

 

I realise that statement in itself sounds like a conspiracy theory but i find it hard to believe scientists would just lie down and say "wow, your right, it is older". Imagine all the research money and grants that they have been given being considered a waste! It may even effect large institutions like universities giving grants in the future; unwilling to waste their money.

Just a theory.

Man, Bunkered, your "theory" is SPOT-ON! It is a well-established FACT that the biggest reason why mainstream science resists SO strongly the alternative scientific information is exactly what you point out -- the fact of their grants, their money, their careers going down the drain if they were to recognize the new science, the new facts that totally turn their worlds upside down.


A star for you, Bunkered!

Hi Guys

Sorry to come in on this one so late , but couldn't help noticing that you were discussing the age of the great sphinx , i dont know if any of you have followed John Anthony West but together with Robert Schoch they discovered in the early 90's that it showed evidence of rainfall erosion. Such erosion could only mean that the Sphinx was carved during or before the rains that marked the transition of northern Africa from the last Ice Age to the present interglacial epoch, a transition that occurred in the millennia from 10,000 to 5000 BC.

he is in alot of peoples veiws the best egyptologist at the moment and this is one of the most fascinating subjects around .

regards

Some more interesting background info that cannot be leaved out

LINK

Originally posted by Ragu23

But alas their group circle-jerk is so tight the blood supply has been cut off to their collective brain.

This is one of the best things I've read today.

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There is absolutoly no doubt that the sphinx in as least this old, all logical review of the evidence at hand suggests this.

That also suggests that whoever built it must have been a fairly old civilization themselves, to have gleemed the knowledge to build such structures.

There IS a large conspiracy a the top to completely erase our memory of our true past, this is also the only logical conclusion after reviewing the evidence, makes me sick really, obviously our past is so much more fantastic than the Darwinian Trend of history than we are taught.

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Facinating stuff cant wait to get home and take a better look at all the info.

Peace

reply to post by Historical-Mozart

OHHH really credible sources. I'll just believe every word they say.