Whatever happened to the Ten Tribes of Israel?, page 1

Originally posted by Toltec
Look closely at the avatar Iluminatic has presented, what was to Malcolm X the definitions of Black and White? NC you are so prepared to discount a value to any augment.. That the word applied as "rubbish" is very clear and apparent. it presents the issue that nothing could taint your precious convictions, this that Jesus was pure, despite any misinterpretation. But if that is true then why are the very foundations of his system (wine and bread/blood and flesh) based on what the very culture he was a part of, as an abomination before God Almighty???

Toltec, I am merely presenting the fact as seen in the bible, via the bible. Illmatic has, in his usual manner, twisted the verses to meet his own preconceptions and legitmise his racial and political myths.

For illumaitc and some others the religion forum is a place to push political and other belief systems that are supposeldly legitmised on the basis of religious authenticity.

So far we have seen supposedly Mohammed in the Old testament, which was totally disproved and now we get the thesis that the ancient hebrews etal were balck. Why? Not because of any RELIGIOUS conviction (they could be asian for all I care) but purely for the political purpose of advancing one race over another.

Now if it was true I wold be happy to accept it, I am not a racist, however I hate to see the bible used by fringe dwellers to justify their crackpot beliefs.

If you want to debate with me as to the racial characteristics of the hebrews etal, then use the bible to do it, if you can. Why shold I remain silent and let misconception, distortion and just plain rubbish be passed around as truth.

If you can't handle bible debate, based on the bible then that is your problem. I don't know what Ramses race is, but I will endevour to find out more myself.

Reportedly, Ramses II had as many as 100 children he might not have noticed a few of different races around.

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It is apparent that the ancient Egyptians did not make racial distinctions themselves, but rather ethnic distinctions based on nationality. Tomb paintings depicting captive Nubians may show them as being very dark, but this is an artistic convention stereotyping a nationality, and to conclude there were therefore no very dark Egyptians would be a non sequitur. Similarly, the skin tones in art depicting the Egyptians themselves adhere to convention rather than an absolutely accurate description of reality. Tutankhamun is variously shown as being black as in the guardian statues found in his tomb, and brown or beige as in the lotus bust

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In the ancient world, good geographical location attracted people. In this regard, Egypt had it all, including a fertile land as well as a central location for trade.

So when we attempt to decipher the question of race in early Egypt, we find a complex equation from the outset. In fact, some scholars argue that the question is so complex as to be irrelevant. Much like someone from mid America, with ancestors who might have been Swedish, Irish, Spanish and Indian, he or she is no longer any of those, but simply an American.

Clearly, ancient Egyptians during the dynastic period saw themselves as Egyptians. Their art, and literature pointedly reveals that they showed no identification with either Africa or Asia. In many regards, the symbolism with the modern United States is striking.

People who were obviously of foreign origin very often melted into the Egyptian culture, and became high officials as Egyptians, and it was possible for many different racial types to consider themselves Egyptian.

To be honest NC my opinion is that you have not the slightest idea what you are talking about. Those that disagree should be placed on Haldol 10-mg bid with access to appropriate therapy (this being an opinion).

And a weak one at that. Its not even a good insult. Again if you can't handle bible debate then stay away with the children, personal insults only serve to show the shallowness of your reasoning, and as I often find with your posts, the absolute confusion and of your reasoning.

Jesus Christ made major changes to what was reality to the common man. Its actually very clear he had African roots, to be very honest, his family was considered royalty amongst the Egyptian hearty.

crap, prove it... go on, give me one piece of biblical proof for your statement that raises it above the level of political jingoism. ... just another wannabe israelite

Despite your assurance of biblical accuracy that the lineage presented, denies the same is hypocrisy. Joseph was right hand of Egypt, as such his affiliation would have made clear his responsibility (this being to become a part of that family). That this is not presented in biblical text does not in any way deny the fact that you in your own way are a heretic. One, which fails to respond to the obvious inaccuracies and therefore, presents them as an advantage.

Oh what rubbish, go on, validate your accusations. Or are you just trolling? What inaccuracies have I failed to respond to?

Yes Joseph held an important place in Egypt, but that was nothing to do with his race, it was to do with his honesty and ability. To say that his position was racially based is your opinion and NOT backed up biblically. If you can't back up your arguments biblically then what else are you going to use, there is not much evidence outside of the bible.

Look at the information posted above, maybe the egyptians rose above race in a manner that is beyond many people today. The race of Joseph may have been immaterial to his postion.

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Interestingly, however, DNA studies at the University of Cairo report that there is little differences between modern and ancient Egyptians. Of course, books on Egypt often point to members of the Coptic Christian faith as being closer in race to the ancient Egyptians, because they supposedly do not marry outside the ancient faith.

The coptic egyptians don't look very black to me ......

[Edited on 22-2-2003 by Netchicken]

[Edited on 22-2-2003 by Netchicken]