Is political correctness to blame for lack of coverage over horrific black-on-white killings in Amer

reply to post by 27jd


I've addressed everything you've said in prior posts, yet it appears you aren't capable of addressing the issues being presented. Moreover, you and others have called me racist, yet I've asked all of you to post the definition of racism or racist (which I've already done by the way) and show how I'm a racist. Not ONE of you has done so, and due to your own ignorance and insecurities, you’ve thrown every fallacy and lie my way in hopes that I’ll succumb to the lunacy and react how you desire. No. As previously stated, I’m Pavlov, and I told each and everyone of you how you would react in my very first post, and look! You’re doing exactly what I said you would!

You said, “the only way to eliminate racism is to eliminate racism”. That my friend, is circular thinking 101 and was all I needed to solidify my belief that intelligent thinking and observation elude you. What you’re saying is the same as saying, “The only way to drive a car is to drive a car”, or “The only way to eat a steak is to eat a steak.” What you’re saying is totally devoid of logic, and the use of caps to denote emphasis adds to the hilarity. How do you end racism? What steps do you take to do it?

Race should mean nothing more than the color of one's shirt. But you don't want that to happen.

Lies, please refer to my first post in this thread.

You mentioned me being "lucky" to have a job, my boss and about half my co-workers are black, WTF was your point? We all get along fine, race is NEVER even brought up, and it's nice. Although like i've said, although my performance is stellar, i've not been given many opportunities to advance, the "white priviledge" failed me again. Then i come here and read your racist garbage, pretending to have some moral highground.

Ok, apparently someone has been hiding under a rock for too long. Do you have any idea about the current unemployment rates, how people are constantly losing their jobs, homes, cars, etc? Again, you’re lucky you even have a job, but leave it up to you to think everything is racial and has to do with race. LOL! In the future, take a hint before a slander, and if you are not sure about the context of a statement, ask before you show your hand.


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reply to post by Soloist

The problem with this statement is that the white race, as a whole, is NOT responsible for those past transgressions. Specifically slavery, since that seems to be what you're alluding to.

Okay, so then the Germans themselves as individuals and as a whole aren't responsible for Holocaust. Like you said, why hold the actions of a few against the whole eh? So why then did they prosecute German soldiers that participated? They could have just...left right?

reply to post by EMPIRE


Oh, I had to respond to this one...

What you’re saying is the same as saying, “The only way to drive a car is to drive a car”, or “The only way to eat a steak is to eat a steak.” What you’re saying is totally devoid of logic, and the use of caps to denote emphasis adds to the hilarity.

Are you telling us that there is another way to eat a steak than actually eating the steak?

Is their another way to drive the car, than actually driving the car?

I understand that this is merely a metaphor you are using to describe a situation...

But you chose some pretty poor metaphors.

I'm just saying, is all.

-Edrick (I'll turn this internet Right around!)

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Empire belongs with the NWO empire, since he/she knows what is best for the rest of us and how we should feel/think.

Lies.

Why do you not tell us what to feel/think.

Please clarify your statement.

Do you feel/think each of us non black folk should give 10-20% of our wages to the black community? Or do you think 50% would be better?

Another one who types/talks before he reads and listens. Did you miss the part earlier where I said I'm not talking about reperations or anything like that? If there was ever a case of dumb questions yours would qualify and earn the top prize.

Should all of us non black folk prostrate ourselves when one of the chosen walk by?

See above, and I've already stated what should be done.

Empire *************************. Because I cannot say what I mean or I will be arrested for a hate crime. Sorry mods, I cannot deny ignorance or allow outright racism.

So you're denying ignorance when you ask questions where the answers have clearly been presented? How are you allowing outright racism? By watching many people call me a racist when not ONE has backed their claims?

reply to post by Edrick


More selective reading by ATS users. R-E-A-D what I was replying to. The guy said the only way to end racism is to end racism. How do you end racism? What steps do you take to do it? How do you drive a car or eat a steak? Do you put gas on the steak, or do you put seasonings in the car and pray that you can drive to work? Please, R-E-A-D what was said and what I was replying to and then you will know that my analogy is based on the idiocy of another member and merely a substitution of words.

Originally posted by EMPIRE
reply to post by Edrick

 

More selective reading by ATS users. R-E-A-D what I was replying to. The guy said the only way to end racism is to end racism. How do you end racism? What steps do you take to do it? How do you drive a car or eat a steak? Do you put gas on the steak, or do you put seasonings in the car and pray that you can drive to work? Please, R-E-A-D what was said and what I was replying to and then you will know that my analogy is based on the idiocy of another member and merely a substitution of words.

Are you really going there?


Let's see.... I eat a steak, by.... uhm...


I cut the steak with a knife, I take the piece and dip it in A1 (Loves me some A1) and then I put it in my mouth.

My jaw moves up and down, applying pressure (as a cutting action) to the steak through the wedge action of my teeth...

Once the steak is shredded properly, I swallow it, and it passes through my esophagus to my stomach, where digestion begins.

This process that I have described is called "Eating" (A.K.A. Eating a Steak)

So, I'll ask you again... is there another way to eat a steak, than the process (Known as "Eating") that I just described?


If you are going to use a simile to attempt to disprove someones statement... you should use a simile that fits the statement.

I.E. "The only way to achieve world peace, is to stop fighting"

You see... *THAT* is probably what you were looking for.

-Edrick

reply to post by cenpuppie


I believe I can answer that question, though I understand it was not directed at me. Sorry if you feel I am intruding, that is not the intention.


They were persecuted because they were involved in it at that time. I do not know anyone today that persecutes or blames any Germans that were not involved in the holocaust for the holocaust. Why punish a German soldier today for something another soldier did many decades ago?

Simply meaning if they were not there and had no hand it they are free of any guilt. Today I know of no one that is involved in slavery of any form. They should be free of any guilt.


I work for a German owned company and can say they (those I have met) without doubt some of the nicest people I have met.


But if we are going to start talking about owing someone something or feeling bad I want people to start apologizing for the many deeds done to my native ancestors who were kill, raped, robbed, and removed from their land. I guess I should just hate myself? Because I am of mixed blood. Maybe I could start by telling myself I am sorry for the crimes of my father’s, father’s, father’s, father’s, father?

I guess for the most part most whites don’t feel like they should be held accountable for the actions of those past is because they had nothing to do with it. We have moved on and do what we can within reason to make life better for those of different races. We treat people as we would be treated asking nothing more than we would ask another. If that is not enough I do not know what else to say aside from “oh well”. What really do you want from me? Really what do you want? I have my own daily life issues to deal with other than being hung up on the atrocities of the past. You cannot change the past but we can work toward having a better tomorrow, the only way to do that is to forgive the past and let it stay while remembering it so that it does not repeat itself.


Raist

reply to post by cenpuppie


You're absolutely right. It does get my blood boiling. How exactly have I benefitted from slavery? The only example you've given, was the casting of STUPID TV shows I don't even watch. There are PLENTY of all black shows as well, but i'm not in the least bit interested in debating casting decisions, again, made by OTHERS, not myself. YOU on the other hand, have benefitted from slavery. YOU can now get a job, STRICTLY based on the color that light bounces off your skin. YOU can gain access to college funds, based on the SAME thing. ONCE AGAIN, i have been consistenly passed over for promotions, that have been consistently given to minorities far less qualified and tenured. But you will continue to whine and cry about something that happened in the past to people OTHER THAN YOURSELF. It's amazing, it really is. The nerve you have.

reply to post by EMPIRE


Whatever you say, IMO you're a RACIST. You've proven that to me, beyond any doubt, I have no desire to go round and round with you debating semantics and definitions. I AM NOT SORRY FOR SLAVERY. At all. Not one little bit. I had nothing to do with it. Anybody expecting me to "take responsibility" for the past i had NOTHING to do with, can in no uncertain terms, BLOW IT OUT THEIR @SS. Is that clear enough?



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quote]Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by EMPIRE

YOU don't think I'm "WORTHY" of an in depth response?

You weren’t and you still aren’t. I’ve explained why this was/is the case. I am obligated to myself to stand accountable for my words, and this is the reason why you’re getting a response. The responses being given aren’t due to you guys being geniuses, because you’ve guys impressed me with your rhetoric or banter (you most certainly aren’t and haven’t), or because I want you as friends. Again, I stated it, I can answer, but I do not like having to address the same thing over and over when the answers were stated PAGES ago.

WOW, that is some ego you have. I feel kind of sorry for you because so many people are piling on, but you bring it on yourself.

More proof you don’t read. In my last response to you I specifically gave you the reason why. It has nothing to do with ego, but there you ago again misfiring and relying on your cartoon like imagination to get the job done. In response to feeling sorry for me, don’t feel sorry for me, feel sorry for those who have bled for this country but never got a fair shake. Feel sorry for those who are buried under the rubble of those recent quakes. Feel sorry for yourself because you rely on fallacies and lies to solidify a nonexistent premise. Don’t, however, feel sorry for me as I’ve been holding my own in this thread, and will continue to hold my own. All I have to do is hold on to truth, and the reason why I’m subjected to such foolishness by the likes of you and those in this thread, is because you all forsake truth and indulge in lies and hypocrisy.

I am not a beneficiary of slavery, but I have paid for what my family has never done nor benefited from, through affirmative action.

ROFL!

I listen, I have heard all of these arguments many times, and shot them down for the nonsense they are.

You haven’t shot down ANYTHING I’ve presented. But if the mood strikes I’ll take my focus from other members and indulge your round the bend rabble.

You avoid responding because the beliefs into which you have been indoctrinated are based on large distortions of history, which are easily proven to be wrong when examined.

I told you why I avoided responding. The answer to your question was already answered multiple times. Why do you insist on asking the same thing over and over? It’s like you’re mind is stuck in a time warp/loop and questioning similar to kids who repeatedly ask, “Are we there yet?”

From our debates on this subject in the past, you have been forced to face this reality. Your response has been to wrap yourself into a kind of cocoon of egoism. Eventually you will emerge from this a better man. It is process we all go through.

Lies. Post any conversation between the two of us, especially this thread, and you’ll see what the truth really is.

Here is the reality. The only people who benefited from slavery were the wealthy elites.

Wrong, and other members and myself have shown this to be a warped reality that seeks only to distort history and perpetuate mendacious antics.

The ancestors of these same people established the academic requirements which you wisely followed to gain opportunity for yourself in life.

Are you insane? In another thread I’ve said the schools today are nothing more then a manufacturing plant designated to cranking out worker bee’s, yet here it is you’re telling me I wisely followed the academic requirements to gain an opportunity for myself in life. I must have you know that I just spit my water all over my screen. Friend, what do you know about me? Honestly, do you even know if I went to a public school? Do you even know if I were home schooled? Maybe I could be a drop out? You are a clear example of people who make unfounded claims and throw reasoning out the window.

Now that you have your sheepskin, do your own research, and work on revealing the truth.

In closing, you asked for an answer, I ignored you because the question was redundant. You begged for an answer so I cut and pasted the answers for you. Not only did you totally avoid addressing the answers, you then LIE about me giving you the answers, even though I gave them to you and concoct more fables that I shouldn’t have to address.

Originally posted by Edrick

Are you really going there? Let's see.... I eat a steak, by.... uhm...I cut the steak with a knife, I take the piece and dip it in A1 (Loves me some A1) and then I put it in my mouth. My jaw moves up and down, applying pressure (as a cutting action) to the steak through the wedge action of my teeth...Once the steak is shredded properly, I swallow it, and it passes through my esophagus to my stomach, where digestion begins. This process that I have described is called "Eating" (A.K.A. Eating a Steak) So, I'll ask you again... is there another way to eat a steak, than the process (Known as "Eating") that I just described? If you are going to use a simile to attempt to disprove someones statement... you should use a simile that fits the statement. I.E. "The only way to achieve world peace, is to stop fighting"You see... *THAT* is probably what you were looking for.-Edrick

Are you really going to go there? Do you know what his statement was? Here is his exact statement:

Originally posted by 27jdThe only way to eliminate racism, is to ELIMINATE RACISM.

Again, those are not my words, and what I told him was that it was circular reasoning (which it is) and then proceeded to tell him that his words are no different from to drive a car you drive a car, etc. I then asked him to explain how one ends racism, therefore, there was no need to use the similie you suggest because I had already stated his statement was absurd and that the examples I gave were equally absurd.

Here is my exact quote as it will prove that you're speaking in haste and in need of correction.

What you’re saying is the same as saying, “The only way to drive a car is to drive a car”, or “The only way to eat a steak is to eat a steak.”

R-E-A-D the BOLD text. I am comparing and contrasting his madness with something that is equally as absurd because it is circle reasoning. Therefore, doing what you suggest is not applicable because I'm not comparing and contrasting logic to foolishness but foolishness to foolishness.

To you I say, less time typing, more time reading.



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