"White privilege"
"White Guilt"

among many other terms - these two stand out the most.
People who use them do so with the sole intention of coping out an argument.

This goes for white people, brown people, black people, yellow, red, and any other color i may have missed.

But seeing as how this thread is full of "im going to blame my problems on the white man"

i found it appropriate to say congratulations.

You've only succeeded in further progressing the PROBLEM instead of trying to do something to be a part of the solution.

White people don't have inherited privilege anymore than black people have inherited athletic talent.

Yellow people don't have inherited intelligence anymore than white people have inherited a feeling of guilt.

It all derives from a narcissistic society that is addicted to the internet and any moron with a blog is taken seriously...

Orangetom1999,

This technique of SHAKEDOWN is what I call guilt conditioning technique.

What I’m talking about has nothing to do with guilt conditioning. If it were guilt conditioning, and as successful as you’re implying, things would be a lot different for blacks and whites.

This works by moving people back into a time warp in order to heap guilt on them and allow others to play through unquestioned and unchallenged on the work, moneys, and RISKS of others It is also cheap politics...of the cheapest type. It is also not leadership. Got it yet??

No one is moving people back into a time warp, heaping guilt on them and allowing others to play through unquestioned and unchallenged on the work, moneys, and RISKS of others. However, to assume there is an equal playing field when the present proves otherwise is pure folly. Moreover, you talk about the work, moneys, and risks of others yet turn a blind eye to the fact that the white race, as a whole, are the main ones who benefited from the work, blood and deaths of others (and I’m not just talking chattel slavery or the past.)

I read what you typed and it is racist and tried by subtlety and guilt manipulation to get over on others hoping that they will not catch on to your fingerprint.

So far in the thread, the guys complaining about being called racists are actually the ones calling me a racist. When people make claims I ask them to prove it. I’m now asking you to post a sufficient definition of racism and show how what I’ve typed is indeed racist. Yes it is unfounded, yes it is highly unintelligent, yes I have to deal with it, but it doesn’t hurt me because it proves what I’m saying about you and others. You aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawers, you can’t present a cogent argument if your life depended on it, and you’ll rely on every trick and fallacy in the book to get your point across, especially you, Mr. SHAKEDOWN. You think I don’t know what you’re trying to imprint in the minds of the readers when repeatedly use the “shakedown” term in caps? LOL!

What you are doing here is nothing new. It is however..cheap..no matter how sophisticated or righteous it appears to be..it is neither.

See above.

What motive and justification causes you to think that I am posting this view for your benefit?? I am posting this view for the other readers out here. Only narcissism of the elitist political type can cause someone to think this is particularly for them.

It isn’t narcissism but me telling you I couldn’t care less about your approval and that your claims are unfounded. And stop talking about the elitist political type, I already told you politics in America is a farce. In fact, you can compare it to WWE or a cartoon for that matter.

Are you like a woman who thinks they are sitting on the only one in town?? Ever heard of diversity. Diversity also means a difference in opinions and beliefs. Only a racist would concentrate so provincially on race alone.

More proof you don’t read, more proof what I’ve said about you is true, please refer to my previous posts where I said to not concentrate on one race alone, thanks. And to answer your question I may be a woman, I may not be, but you’re showing your ignorance in implying that women are the only ones with that mentality.

Time warp and guilt techniques do not work on me.

We both know logic and cogency do not work on you.

They also do not work on many others and you are going to get a lot of replies to your posts when people reading this begin to see your posts for what they really are...a SHAKEDOWN. Just like Jesse and Al. It gets wolfie Empire...wolfie...because it is racism.

Do you think I’m sacred about the replies I’m going to get? LOL! I posted it, I’m able to handle whatever comes my way and will answer in the appropriate fashion. I already said many of you will use this thread to complain and star and flag each other, so I already know what to expect. Furthermore, connecting me with Jesse and Al is not going to work on those with reasonable cognitive prowess. In my first post I alluded to those guys being jokes (and in other threads I’ve openly condemned them.) So you using your magical shakedown phrase, and comparing me to Jesse and Al, will only work on those predisposed to believing in views similar to yours. Critical readers and thinkers will read the thread, read my posts and will form their own assessment based on logic and reasoning, not trigger words, half-baked jargon, fallacies and drivel that you so richly provide.

As to your motives..I already told you ..a SHAKEDOWN. Most of us are not interested in it. We have enough problems handling the day to day items in our lives...and these items are private..not public. Got it now??They are not subject to your guilt or time warp conditioning.

More lies and fallacies on your part. How am I motivated by what you say I’m motivated by? In order to be motivated by something there must be some intrinsic or extrinsic factor so by all means tell us what it is. In addition, great job throwing that tidbit in there about private and public issues. I was never going to ask something like that because it has no place in my premise, but I thank you for introducing unrelated material to the thread and then passing it off as if I was going to ask it.

You are attempting to foist off by force ..coercion ..by guilt conditioning..these issues onto the shoulders of people not interested in them. They want to live and let live. To be left alone. To not bother anyone and not be bothered. This is called Americanism. The American way.

What you’re really saying is you don’t want to read or hear the truth and only want to think about the good ole days, how white is right, segregation while giving each other stars and high fives? OK gotcha, that is Americanism and the American way, and you’re exactly right.

Because they do not carte blanche accept your guilt settings on your radio dial ..they are racists??

Have I said anyone in this thread was a racist? Unintelligent? Yes. PROVEN. Compromised? Yes. PROVEN. Racist?

I think it is you who are a racist and you are attempting to default through on guilt and time warp techniques. Wolfie ....Empire..very wolfie.

Please refer to my request that you post a sufficient definition of racism and prove your claim.

I am not guilty because of who or whom I am. To do so is cheap politics of the lowest type...and uses racism by racists to attempt to entrench their points. I know now to use a shovel to dig them out and unroot them. Failing in that I know how to use Salt to get to them out as well.We are the Salt of the Earth Empire...not the sugar.

So in other words I’m talking to a good ole boy. I bet you have your tobacco cup and rifle right next to your keyboard.

It is my duty to treat others as I would like to be treated..not motivated by guilt politics and racism to change my conduct to anothers belief system.

If it is your duty why are you not acting in accordance to it? Would you not want someone to listen to you if you feel as though you were wronged? Would you not want someone to listen to you if you felt you were getting the short end of the stick?

I don't know where from you get this belief system of yours but it is very cheap and also not American. It is however also very cheap politic.

What is “American” to you is sin, death, rape, murder, robbery, lies and deceit to others, Save it good ole boy.

People in politic today are attempting to take this to the next step in wealth redistribution. What they are not talking about is RISK redistribution. Which is why it is a SHAKEDOWN.

I’ve addressed these issues.

Wow!! This is very deep...very very deep. NOT!!!!
Not only are you playing the race card here but the sexism card as well.
That makes two strikes Empire..two!!

I’ll once again prove you people don’t read and that you, in particular, lack intelligence and can only lie and use fallacies. I’ve yet to play a “race card”, you’ll never back your claims of me doing so, and you were the one who made the sexist claim. Did you forget what you said about women? Moreover, and this will ultimately prove you’re babbling and ultimately lacking in the areas I said you lack, take a look at this:

The white man is the new pariah until the slack jawed "third worlders" knock us White European /descended off of the top. - felonius

Hate crime legislation is only applicable to white men. -Remixtup

Therefore, the subconscious reasoning goes, its OK to bash the "white male" and/or Western culture any time and to any extent because the white male and Western culture are so above any possible harm that those poor, oppressed "other people" could ever inflict. - silent thunder

What I have come to conclude is that political correctness, and pushing a hate crime agenda, preferential treatment and all that is just a way for white elitists to practice their bigotry against working class white males. - poet1b

These four guys mentioned white males before I did, so are they sexist as well? [bold emphasis added]

Comfort zone..what are you speaking about. What default are you attempting to take advantage of in your ignorance. I am a machinist and nuclear fueler by trade. I work in radiated and contaminated reactors for my moneys and at great risks...Not that I believe in PC..but merely pointing out that in an attempt to be PC you do the very thing you claim is being done by others. Talk about hipocrisy..your it Empire!!

The comfort zone I speak of pertains to your advantage as a white male in America. First you say your life is private then you go on and tell me about it. Moreover, I already addressed your sexism claims.

could go on and on through your reply to me but this will suffice sufficient for the readers out here to see you for what you are.

And I’ve provided enough to debunk your claims and to validate what I’ve said.

You are subersive and occult in your methods.....in order to SHAKEDOWN into what you think is correct and justified/justice....Ordo Ob Chao..order from chaos. In this case..Occult being hidden or concealed behind guilt conditioning and reverse racicsm...but racism nonetheless.... By name....My thanks to you for giving me the fodder to demonstrate what you are doing. My thanks to all others for thier posts.

:YAWN:


[edit on 19-10-2009 by EMPIRE]

Originally posted by Alxandro
I heard a black say one time that blacks can't be racists, had a straight face when he said it too.
Given that, it's possible some blacks may actually think that black on white crimes are not possible.

What is the name of that river in Egypt?

You're speaking of The Nile river, I think. Pretty famous, kind of disappointed you don't know the name...

But to your comment, I also once heard the earth was flat, up was down and green was actually red. Does this mean that this is true? No, because I educated myself and learned properly. Just because one person says something, you think we ALL think like that? Yeah, why don't we take a small sampling and make a broad generalization. Its obvious anyone is capable of anything. And its obvious that the person you talked to lives a very sheltered life.

Instead of looking for reasons to hate people who don't look, talk or act like you, why don't you look for reasons to love your fellow man. We're all the same, but we're all unique. You see what I did there? We all bleed when we're cut, need sustenance to survive. But we all have different life experiences.

Originally posted by EMPIRE

I've addressed you in other threads, and you have a habit of making claims but backing out when forced to answer.

Move on.

Forgive me for pointing out. I can't help noticing, but you treat everybody you talk to with disdain, you have a superior attitude which does not endear you to fellow board members, and in worse case it comes across as trolling. Perhaps if you were less rude, you might find more people to agree with you (see my sig )

On topic, you wont find many raving racist lunatics on ATS, which is nice. So while I applaud you "speaking up for" blacks, you really don't need to be so hard on these good people. The fact remains, there is a problem with black crime. There is also a problem with overcompensation from the media and other politically correct institutions, who make political capital out of agreeing with whoever is perceived to have moral authority.

At the moment, it's not great to be anybody. And in the UK and US at least, blacks have equal opportunities to everybody else. This whole idea of white privilege nowdays is just antiquated and ridiculous. If you're talking about how white people in America are mostly representing positions of power, what else would you expect? America is a predominately white country! If i went to Africa I would not complain that their government and big business is run by black men, it would make no sense.


[edit on 19-10-2009 by Lazyninja]

Well I must say that somewhere along the lines my “white privilege” never showed up. I suppose it was lost in the mail.

I can though point out a co-worker that has managed more success than me because she is not a white male. I can point to facts proving I do a better job than her and still her pay has surpassed mine while I have been at the job longer. She managed to get paid a large sum extra by meeting a manager in a motel room (also fact). Yet her incompetence at her job goes unpunished because the other managers are afraid she will claim racial motivations for her dismissal. I guess someone forgot to tell her about “white privilege” and that she is stepping outside of her “place”.


“White privilege” must only apply to those whites born with at least some money in their family. I know for fact that I have had to work very hard to get the little enjoyments I have. But I also know that I enjoy things around me that other might be missing out on or over looking in their own life. My family makes me feel rich, more so my wife and son. That is all the privilege I need.


As for the OP things have gotten far to PC. The whole PC thing is nothing more than political gaming on an extreme level. We the people are like some sort of characters being played by the media and the politicians for their own joy and success.

That is okay though keep blaming the guy next to you for your own failures in life forget that the one truly responsible is none other than yourself. I understand a great deal of my failure; I also know what needed to be done to correct many of them. Also understand that not everyone can attain the same success as others. If that were possible no one would be flipping burgers and everyone would be living like rock stars.

Raist

Originally posted by Raist
I can though point out a co-worker that has managed more success than me because she is not a white male. I can point to facts proving I do a better job than her and still her pay has surpassed mine while I have been at the job longer. She managed to get paid a large sum extra by meeting a manager in a motel room (also fact). Yet her incompetence at her job goes unpunished because the other managers are afraid she will claim racial motivations for her dismissal. I guess someone forgot to tell her about “white privilege” and that she is stepping outside of her “place”.

Dude, I'm RIGHT there with you, same exact situation where i work. So many people here at my job see it with their own eyes and express their sympathy (although i don't want it), even one of my co-workers who leans very far left thinks i'm treated like a red-headed step child here, because i'm a young white male working under many "minority" women. That was shocking and unexpected for her to acknowledge that, but she knows the quality work i do, and has seen me passed up for promotions that went to far less talented and tenured employees who weren't white males.

I've grown up on what i thought was a level playing field, my parents aren't racist, and i've never been one to hate anybody based on something as out of our control as skin color. But my recent experiences, and reading stories like the one on this OP are pushing and testing me to the extreme, to be honest. The more i see the opinions of racists like EMPIRE, the angrier i get. There is no white priviledge, in fact, we're heading fast down a road to even more discrimination and hatred against us, IMO. Equality, at this point, is a joke, and MLK's "dream" has been replaced by the same old nightmare, the roles are just being reversed.

I've been fighting a black federal employee for the last 10 years. He stole about $75000 of my money and used it to pay a man to go to jail in his place. The drug task force knows this. I have been repeatedly taken around the corner and told that they had to have so many blacks in those positions and he was the only one they had in that position. Now it's just my opinion, but if they can't find a qualified black for that position, then find a white one and get him OUT.