posted on Nov, 30 2009 @ 08:05 AM
The fundamental fallacy made by Empire throughout this thread lies in the notion that the "white race as a whole" exists as a conscious entity,
which can be assigned a collective form of guilt or responsibility. It doesnt matter what "race" or "group" one is talking about, there is no such
thing as a "collective entity", which acts as a "person".
Collections of individuals cannot exist without the individuals of which they are composed. Individuals, on the other hand, can exist without a
collection. This "fact" illustrates that the individual is primary, and is the only entity which can be assigned person-hood, or assigned guilt or
Empire's attempt to assign guilt and responsibility to a group, such as "the white race as a whole" is typical "collectivist" thinking, which
based upon an ideological and philosophical fallacy. His whole argument depends upon this fallacy, and hence, the conclusions he reaches on that basis
are inherently flawed. No matter how elegantly one's arguments might be, if they are based upon false assumptions, then the resultant arguments will
also be false.
Unfortunately, this type of collectivist thinking is currently being taught throughout our education system, and equally unfortunately, this is
precisely the type of thinking that directly leads to oppressive systems of government, where it is viewed as "ok" to sacrifice "individuals" for
the sake of the "collective", or to oppress individuals because they belong to a "class", which is demonized as evil and counterproductive to the
society taken as a "whole".
It was precisely this type of thinking that led Stalin and Mau to murder tens of millions of their own country men, for the sake of the "collective
whole". It all starts from the false notion that the "whole" is more important than, and has a life independent from the individuals of which it is
Empire, you seem to be an intelligent person, how can you fall for this fundamental fallacy? The notion that a collective whole can be assigned
person-hood, to which is attributed guilt or responsibility, is just an abstract idea, which has no basis in reality. It is a mere castle in the sky,
which only has "utility" in certain specific and often nefarious ideological agendas, which in every case have proven to be disastrous in their