The fundamental fallacy made by Empire throughout this thread lies in the notion that the "white race as a whole" exists as a conscious entity,
which can be assigned a collective form of guilt or responsibility. It doesnt matter what "race" or "group" one is talking about, there is no such
thing as a "collective entity", which acts as a "person".
Collections of individuals cannot exist without the individuals of which they are composed. Individuals, on the other hand, can exist without a
collection. This "fact" illustrates that the individual is primary, and is the only entity which can be assigned person-hood, or assigned guilt or
responsibility.
Empire's attempt to assign guilt and responsibility to a group, such as "the white race as a whole" is typical "collectivist" thinking, which
based upon an ideological and philosophical fallacy. His whole argument depends upon this fallacy, and hence, the conclusions he reaches on that basis
are inherently flawed. No matter how elegantly one's arguments might be, if they are based upon false assumptions, then the resultant arguments will
also be false.
Unfortunately, this type of collectivist thinking is currently being taught throughout our education system, and equally unfortunately, this is
precisely the type of thinking that directly leads to oppressive systems of government, where it is viewed as "ok" to sacrifice "individuals" for
the sake of the "collective", or to oppress individuals because they belong to a "class", which is demonized as evil and counterproductive to the
society taken as a "whole".
It was precisely this type of thinking that led Stalin and Mau to murder tens of millions of their own country men, for the sake of the "collective
whole". It all starts from the false notion that the "whole" is more important than, and has a life independent from the individuals of which it is
composed.
Empire, you seem to be an intelligent person, how can you fall for this fundamental fallacy? The notion that a collective whole can be assigned
person-hood, to which is attributed guilt or responsibility, is just an abstract idea, which has no basis in reality. It is a mere castle in the sky,
which only has "utility" in certain specific and often nefarious ideological agendas, which in every case have proven to be disastrous in their
actual implementation.
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Ok, I made it to page 6, at which point I got tired of reading this:
....over and again.
Here is a definition of racism:
Read carefully the bolded part. Good.
Now, we refer to Empire's first post in this thread:
Once again, read carefully the bolded part.Good.
It would seem to me that, as per the supplied definition of racism, Empire's statement is the very definition of racism. The very idea of "white privilege", and belief that "oppression has been more beneficial to them (whites) than anyone else on the planet" is, in fact, an affirmation that the concept of "inherent differences among the various human races determining cultural or individual achievement" is true and correct, as it proposes that white people, by the sole virtue of being white,have certain privileges and benefits over non-white people. While arguments could be made as to the validity of "white privilege", that wouldn't make it any less of a racist concept, as per the definiton of racism.
I know Empire will come back with something about "selective reading" or some such drivel, but the fact is that his/her own words, from his/her very first post in this thread, reveal the racist foundation of any further arguments that he/she may have put forth.
Originally posted by EMPIRE
Moreover, you and others have called me racist, yet I've asked all of you to post the definition of racism or racist (which I've already done by the way) and show how I'm a racist.
....over and again.
Here is a definition of racism:
rac⋅ism
[rey-siz-uhm]
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
source
Read carefully the bolded part. Good.
Now, we refer to Empire's first post in this thread:
The white race, as a whole, has never really accepted or taken responsibility for the way they've treated other people. Moreover, they have not acknowledged white privilege and the fact that oppression has been more beneficial to them than anyone else on the planet.
Once again, read carefully the bolded part.Good.
It would seem to me that, as per the supplied definition of racism, Empire's statement is the very definition of racism. The very idea of "white privilege", and belief that "oppression has been more beneficial to them (whites) than anyone else on the planet" is, in fact, an affirmation that the concept of "inherent differences among the various human races determining cultural or individual achievement" is true and correct, as it proposes that white people, by the sole virtue of being white,have certain privileges and benefits over non-white people. While arguments could be made as to the validity of "white privilege", that wouldn't make it any less of a racist concept, as per the definiton of racism.
I know Empire will come back with something about "selective reading" or some such drivel, but the fact is that his/her own words, from his/her very first post in this thread, reveal the racist foundation of any further arguments that he/she may have put forth.
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