Originally posted by lw2525
He's 100% correct about the Narcissism thing,
According to a college psych textbook I have:


Someone with Narcissistic Personality disorder (NPD) will display these symptoms:

A grandiose sense of self-importance, with stories of their achievements and talents. They expect to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements

A preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited power

A belief that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people

A lust for excessive admiration

A sense of entitlement, with expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations They are interpersonally exploitative, and take advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

A total lack of empathy toward others. Inability to even recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others. They don't care how many others suffer. All that matters is the Narcissist's agenda.

Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes, in the extreme.

You can go right down the list checking these traits off...these traits fit many politicians to the proverbial "T". This list could have been written for the Clintons and Obama.

[edit on 16-10-2009 by lw2525]

Or... you know... Bush the Lesser.

I can't take anything that partisan hack says seriously. His editorials and bits on Fox were some of the most disgusting and offensive to liberty and justice I ever saw during the Bush administration.

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[edit on 16-10-2009 by muggl3z]

ummm, ok.....closed room. So there is no recording whatsoever of his words from his mouth. I am not saying that I agree or disagree, but one would think that it was recorded on audio at least. ................just curious if the audio exists, or did I miss the audio link in this topic?

Originally posted by mikerussellus
As seen, the typical response to intellectual criticism of the Obama administration.

First off, I love being critical of the Obama administration. And that was definitely not intellectual. Good criticism is well founded and rooted in the truth. Not rooted in myths, inflammatory statements, speculation, predictions, or plain lies. Like the fake email said; Watch what he does not what he says. Criticism of government is key to a healthy democracy. We got to try an keep these crooks in check. But I can't get behind this conspiracy of Obama is a socialist, Nazi, Marxist, power-hungry dictator bent on bringing the whole world to it's knees, yet. Ten months, he has been in office ten months and I haven't seen any of these Obama haters come up with one factually proven accusation. And it is sooooo true that nothing, I repeat, NOTHING he is having to deal with right now, has started in the last ten months. All these problems started before Jan. 20th. He may be making them worse, he may not. We'll have to see. I get it though....it must be real tough to watch your party trash your country and then lose power and swirl down the toilet of hysteria. It reminds me of watching the end of "Ol Yeller". (sniff)

To Paraphrase:

"This guy is an intellectual who is always spot-on [not noting that this is just your interpretation of what he says]. He is also crippled (so?).

Here, I have summarized his remarks at a recent event (not accurately).
What do you guys think?"

Answer:

I think this thread is garbage.
I'll be the first to tell you that I believe Obama is a man who's ideas are taking this country from the fascist state it currently exists in, hidden behind the ruse of a representative republic, to somewhere in the gray area between socialism and communism. However, who is this guy? He is a Republican "thinker", who is also crippled (so?). The key term being a republican.

Surely if the man were so damned brilliant, he would realize that the RepublicONs are just the other side of the same divide-and-conquer coin.

Oh wait, he does realize that and it is just YOU GUYS that don't understand that?

Once again, I won't take a bite from either plate.
Obama is garbage. The cripple is garbage. This thread is garbage. And the bickering that goes on in this thread is completely sophmoric.

[edit on 16-10-2009 by JayinAR]

This is more a critique on your post than the the Dr..

Originally posted by Yummy Freelunch
I received this email this morning from a friend, and thought to pass it on here. It's pretty profound, in my opinion.

Great... nothing worse than email chains... but that aside... let's take a look.

Dr. Charles Krauthammer

Dr. Krauthammer is on Fox News . He is an M.D. and a lawyer and is paralyzed from the neck down. A friend went to hear Charles Krauthammer. He listened with 25 others in a closed room. What he says here, is NOT 2nd-hand but 1st.

Uhm... Right off this sounds like such an impassioned post that it almost makes me hurl. Of course it's 1st hand.. they heard the guy speak... why would anyone assume it to be 2nd hand? What's the point of that last sentence other than to attempt to generate a sense of credulity?

Please don't make this one of those "THIS GUY MUST BE HEARD" posts... I hate those... Just because something made an impression on you subjectively doesn't make it staggering for the rest of us...

The ramifications are staggering for us, our children and their children.

Well evidently you think so...

Last Monday was a profound evening,

Can you lead the reader any more with subjective statements?

Dr. Charles Krauthammer spoke to the Center for the American Experiment. He is a brilliant intellectual, seasoned & articulate.

Yeah and so are a lot of people... some turn out to be idiots... others don't... but being a brilliant intellectual, seasoned and articulate doesn't lend any credence to the speaker at all.

He is forthright and careful in his analysis, and never resorts to emotions or personal insults.

Neither did Chairman Mao.

He is NOT a fear monger nor an extremist in his comments and views.

So he is not asking others to be concerned about something? If he is.. then he is mongering fear... justified or not... that would be fear mongering.

He is a fiscal conservative, and has received a Pulitzer Prize for writing.

Geesh.. can we just get to what the man has to say... what does all of this have to do with anything the man said? Are you still trying to generate a convincing air for the reader? You sound like one of those turn-of-the-20th-century occult books which spend the first 8 pages talking about how true the following words should sound to the reader...

He is a frequent contributor to Fox News and writes weekly for the Washington Post.


The entire room was held spellbound during his talk.

So he is Charismatic? Like Obama... Like Hitler... Like Jesus... Like Muhammed... Like Lil Wayne.... Like Jay-Z...


Anyway...

I have summarized his comments, as we are living in uncharted waters economically and internationally.

This is the first objective thing you have said so far...

Even 2 Dems at my table agreed with everything he said!

Wait... didn't you get this in email? Are these your words here? I thought this was 1st hand!?!?!?!


Second... just because 2 Dems agreed with everything someone says STILL DOESN"T LEND ANY CREDENCE..

Do you even know what objectivity is?

Anyway.. let's continue...

If you feel like forwarding this to those who are open minded and have not drunk the Kool-Aid, feel free.

The mere fact that you use the phrase "drank the kool-aid" means you are not being open minded in this...

Summary of his comments:

1. Mr. Obama is a very intellectual, charming individual. He is not to be underestimated. He is a cool customer who doesn't show his emotions. It's very hard to know what's behind the mask.The taking down of the Clinton dynasty was an amazing accomplishment.

Ok... In my opinion.... it wasn't an actual Dynasty ... but ok....

The Clintons still do not understand what hit them. Obama was in the perfect place at the perfect time.

2. Obama has political skills comparable to Reagan and Clinton . He has a way of making you think he's on your side, agreeing with your position, while doing the opposite. Pay no attention to what he SAYS; rather, watch what he DOES!

This is news? From day 1 I was taught to pay no attention to what ANYONE says... just what they do... I don't get it still what is different here....

I'll keep reading....

3. Obama has a ruthless quest for power.

Isn't that the definition of a Political Leader? And true of every political leader ever except maybe George Washington?

He did not come to Washington to make something out of himself, but rather to change everything,

... Again.. like every other President...

including dismantling capitalism.

That happened prior to Obama even being Elected.

He can't be straightforward on his ambitions, as the public would not go along.

Kinda like saying went to Iraq for WMD?

He has a heavy hand, and wants to level the playing field with income redistribution and punishment to the achievers of society. He would like to model the USA to Great Britain or Canada .

I'd have to disagree with this... he is trying to bring change, but not change to look like something else that already exists... but something that belongs only to the Destiny of the USA.


The rest of your post is simply more propaganda...

and yes Fear Mongering...

Originally posted by Angus123

Originally posted by lw2525
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You can go right down the list checking these traits off...these traits fit many politicians to the proverbial "T". This list could have been written for the Clintons and Obama.

[edit on 16-10-2009 by lw2525]

Or... you know... Bush the Lesser.

Agreed.

The list fits any successful politician. Period. Why single out "conservatives" or "leftists" from a wholly corrupt crowd?

Do any of the readers and contributors seriously think we are a two party system? There is the rhetoric from the politicians suggesting there is a difference between parties but this ultimately stalls the government to serve the elite. Obama is nothing but a mask over Bush. Bush was the mask over Clinton and so on. The elite corpratocracies simply put the next puppet in place to do their bidding. When the elite want to distract us from the true nature of their business they pit the "two party system" sides against eachother on such topics as health car, abortion, gays in the military, etc. It's all an illusion. I recently saw a video of Jordan Maxwell who reminded me that the Defense Dept. was in the middle of a hearing stating they can't account for 3 trillion dollars... next day 9/11. Topic dropped. Smoke and mirrors.

And when confronted with the ugly truth that they had been all too eager to embrace a man for crazy talk he never uttered, the Fox News Parrots sulked as the sound of crickets filled the air.

Part II

6. Obama doesn't really see himself as President of the United States , but more as a ruler over the world. He sees himself above it all, trying to orchestrate & coordinate various countries and their agendas. He sees moral equivalency in all cultures. His apology tour in Germany and England was a prime example of how he sees America , as an imperialist nation that has been arrogant, rather than a great noble nation that has at times made errors. This is the first President ever who has chastised our allies and appeased our enemies!

I guess, Obama has no real affection for the US, its citizens and its history. He is more interested in his personal gain. But is he different than most of the other politicians?
Apart from this, the US is an imperialistic nation. Although the US has only borders to Mexico and Canada, it is constantly at war with other nations. Nations it has usually attacked. It has changed numerous regimes since wolrd war 2 through nonviolent and violent coups. Look at the military spending and the number of countries which harbour US bases. Its borders may not be outlined by a map, but it is an empire nonthless.
The chastied ally is certainly Israel. The Israeli Lobby is strong, but what benefit or gratitude has the US received for its aid in return. Does an ally employ numerous spies, steal nuclear secrets and sell them later to other countries (Pakistan), attack the ally in a false flag attack (USS Liberty) or drag the ally into pointless wars? In my opinion such an ally should be criticized much louder.

7. He is now handing out goodies. He hopes that the bill (and pain) will not come due until after he is reelected in 2012. He would like to blame all problems on Bush from the past, and hopefully his successor in the future. He has a huge ego, and Dr. Krauthammer believes he is a narcissist.

This blame game is always played in politics. Partys worldwide rarely undergo self-reflection and admit their errors.

8. ... Sarah Palin is sincere and intelligent, but needs to really be seriously boning up on facts and info if she is to be a serious candidate in the future. We need to return to the party of lower taxes, smaller government, personal responsibility, strong national defense, and state's rights.

The characterisation of the lying and uneducated Sarah Palin as sincere and intelligent shows a certain bias of Krauthammer. I don't want to delve into the left-right division, but under republicans like Reagan and the Bushes, government and spending have always grown and power has been centralised.

9. The current level of spending is irresponsible and outrageous. We are spending trillions that we don't have. This could lead to hyperinflation, depression or worse. No country has ever spent themselves into prosperity. The media is giving Obama, Reid and Pelosi a pass because they love their agenda. But eventually the bill will come due and people will realize the huge bailouts didn't work, nor will the stimulus package.These were trillion-dollar payoffs to Obama's allies, unions and the Congress to placate the left, so he can get support for #4 above.

Spot on, but which unions have received trillion-dollar payoffs? I think your nation is looted, like Russia was looted under Jelzin.

10. The election was over in mid-September when Lehman brothers failed, fear and panic swept in, we had an unpopular President, and the war was grinding on indefinitely without a clear outcome. The people are in pain, and the mantra of change caused people to act emotionally. Any Dem would have won this election; it was surprising it was as close as it was.

I agree 100%, after the Bush disaster and the botched republican campaign, the election shouldn't have been this close.