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Woman Faces 15 Years for Cutting Line at Walmart, KKK Involved

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posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 09:13 AM
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Didn't mean to give the impression otherwise. But I agree.




posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 09:25 AM
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lol!!!! KKK!!!!!!!!! THAT bunch of washed up wannabee nazi's!!!!!
lol jeez I thought they had fizzled many years ago!
Do they user "Ultra White" washing powder on those suits they wear, why don't my shirts look that good :-)
KKK, call it a day guys, no one cares about your puny little cause anymore, infact its soooo far removed from how the KKK was started its beyond a joke!!!!!!
Get a life, get laid or do something productive.

Anyway, I digress... How can someone possibly get 15 years in prison for allegedly cutting in line? what the hell kind of legal system is that???
I mean, we complain over here (in the UK) that people don't get punished enough for their crimes, but thats taking the p*ss!!!!!

Was there no CCTV outside the store? across the street? anywhere that might of captured any of this stuff happening... or is this another "Airline hits the Pentagon" type of boll**ks story?

** Edited for spelling mistakes

[edit on 16-10-2009 by jdmjam]



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 09:33 AM
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First off, 15 years is the maximum penalty she can face for whatever felony she is being charged within. That does NOT mean she can be sentenced to 15 years of prison for this. That maximum is prison and probation time. I believe its around 1/3 prison and 2/3 probation is the maximum they can be sentenced right off the bat for the crime. Now if they are on probation and mess up, they could end up spending that whole time behind bars.

There will also be CCTV footage, as you put it, of the event. But since it is evidence in a racially motivated case, Walmart's lawyers will have taken a policy of silence so that they can in no way be held liable for the outcome of the case. Their only obligation is to give those tapes over to the District Attorney, who then has the obligation to make that evidence available to the Defense.

Also, that 15 years won't have been for "cutting in line." That sort of minimizing is a tactic used in attempts to make the whole thing seem ridiculous. I'm guessing she was upset about not being able to skip in line, become argumentative, and when the police arrived to take care of the situation, the lady was still going off and thus received a resisting arrest, or possibly battery to an officer. As much as this "Black Spin" guy is trying to convince us that it is now illegal for a black person to cut in line in America, this is just more "black spin." You see, it was her actions after the fact that caused this whole thing to be an issue.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 09:49 AM
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Star for you! There are lots of blatantly racist remarks on that website.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 10:17 AM
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Thats granted mate, but why such a fuss over someone cutting in line?

Both times I was in the states, this sort of "rudeness" happened almost everywhere I went, I just thought it was normal.... that was both on the west and east coasts btw, in cinemas, fast food places, shops etc..

Although had the same situation (i.e shouting, cursing etc) happened in a major city here in the UK, she would have been escorted out of the store and told never to come back.
.....the police wouldnt have showed up because they are too understaffed unfortunatley.... and that would have been that.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by Muckster
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Wal Mart will not release the tape that proves this woman was abusive and threatening!!! WHY NOT!!!!


Think lawsuit prevention, deny the existence of any evidence that would show they're at fault.


I wouldn’t be surprised if they destroyed the tape after realising that it would show that it was them at fault.... If I claimed that someone had done me wrong, and I had a video tape to prove it, I would be showing it to everyone.


You better believe it, if that tape justified their behavior it would have been on the nightly news pointing out the disruption this woman supposedly caused showing the security guards as heroes.

There have been a few folks on this thread who said they wouldn't trust the news reporting from a site called Black Spin but yet I'm sure they would trust the reporting of a site call CNN which is the "corporate spin". CNN only report unbiased and un-propagandized news.




[edit on 16-10-2009 by Chai_An]



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by ninthaxis
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As much as this "Black Spin" guy is trying to convince us that it is now illegal for a black person to cut in line in America, this is just more "black spin." You see, it was her actions after the fact that caused this whole thing to be an issue.


It appears to me all anyone can do is guess there is no evidence for which to accurately judge if what had occurred indeed occurred. Yes I do agree this story have more details left out then in to say for sure what happened but that video tape would make things clearer. Something tells me there's more to this story than Walmart having a nasty loud customer.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 10:28 AM
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People who shop at Wal-Mart deserve what ever happens to them!

Wal-Mart has caused more American jobs to be exported overseas than any other single corporate entity.

The American manufacturing segment has been decimated by Wal-Mart’s hegemony and dominance of the retail segment.

Every time someone shops at Wal-Mart it pushes the county a little bit deeper into a staggering trade deficit and worsens the employment market.

That people shop at Wal-Mart is bad enough, that they fight to get in the place, and fight once inside the place?

No amount of Constitutional or Legislative Protections is going to protect stupid people from their own stupidity.

This is not a racist issue, this is a common sense, and stupid people have no manners issue.

The fact that the woman is a black person lacking common sense and manners doesn’t make it a racial issue except for those who support the notion that if you are black you shouldn’t have to display common sense and manners.

Shopping at Wal-Mart is plain wrong!



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 10:47 AM
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Security guards with guns? I thought normal store security personell were restricted from carrying guns, mainly because most of them are pretty damn incompetent.

But 15 years for cutting in line, who the hell made that law?



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by Miraj
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Security guards with guns? I thought normal store security personell were restricted from carrying guns, mainly because most of them are pretty damn incompetent.

But 15 years for cutting in line, who the hell made that law?


If you have a license to work armed security you are not incompetent. In many States it is harder to get certified as an armed guard than it is to become a cop.

She's not being charged with cutting in line. She's being charged with what she did after being prevented from cutting in line. I have to wonder if she has the same beliefs that a person I once met in an elevator has? The person I met in an elevator last October, told me and I quote "Wait until Obama gets into office. Then you'll get yours, Whitey.".



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 11:52 AM
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In my experience cops lie about everything. They are only concerned with making crime appear prevalent so that they can insure their enormous budgets. Sorry all you cops out there, but if you were really doing your jobs we wouldn't have any crime, and then we wouldn't need any cops. I cant even imagine what its like to be black and have to talk to a cop! It's bad enough having a Ron Paul sticker on your car!



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by MegaCurious


I don't think that people on ATS have a full sense of what goes on in America with the black folks. I don't think they realize what it's like to have security guards with guns in their face everyday. I don't think that the rest of America is ready to experience that when the SHTF and they start doing that to everyone.



On the 14th of October my union put out a hiring call for apprentices. Line up was around the corner...

My friend just got to the front of the line... there was a black 'lady' in front of him.... just as they were the next set to go in a black dude sidles up to the woman, makes out like they were old buddies... and edges his way into line...

After three hours wait... my buddy thought hard about not causing a scene so when they opened the door he just shouldered past him... but the next guy in line let him cut in...

Its the Teamsters... this job has a pay rate of 25.00 an hour... it could have gotten very ugly...

Perhaps if the brothers and sisters played by the rules like the rest of us they wouldn't have so much trouble

[edit on 16-10-2009 by zorgon]



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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After looking at the replies, it's not hard to see why America is in the state it's in. I don't see any reason to make any effort to keep it from crumbling to the ground.

And about the website, I could have chosen a different one but this is the first one google supplied. And it's also on CNN, and I supplied that link also.

Once the race issue pops up on ATS, it seems the stance of ATS is just do whatever you want to the black Americans, and if they say anything about it just say they're playing the "black card". I think that your reasoning on ATS in regards to the experience of black Americans (with the exception of like one or two) is ill-informed, sick, sadistic, and twisted.

So much for "denying ignorance".

[edit on 16-10-2009 by MegaCurious]



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 11:56 AM
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Still. I wouldn't expect to see an armed guard in a Walmart.

And I would hope so. Almost all the security guards I see (not armed) are pretty incompetent.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 12:01 PM
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What it comes down to is that since she didn't take the Plea Bargain, and promise not to sue the Police Department in a Civil Court, the DA is attempting to make an example of her and get the book thrown at her.

She could have still signed the Plea Bargain and could have still sued the Police Department, as any clause in the Bargain providing legal indemnity to the Police would have been null and void in Court as it could be shown to be signed under Duress.

However, that is no fault of the Defendant for not understanding that.

Otherwise, it seemed pretty typical and non-racial until...



Racism recently entered in to the story when Ellis was handed KKK cards from a Kennett police officer warning her about her actions. The cards stated, "You've just been paid a social visit by the Ku Klux Klan; the next visit will not be social." The officer claims that he only showed the family the cards to make them aware of the situation.


Did anyone else find it odd that a Police Officer and KKK Member would racially harass and intimidate a person by making very thinly veiled threats of violence? That is just wrong on so many levels.

This is tantamount to saying "If you don't take the Plea Bargain and not sue the Police Department, then the KKK (and Police, and DA) are going to make your life miserable. Hanging you is not out of the question."

Considering the Police Officer does not deny doing such, I don't know a single lawyer in this nation who wouldn't take up her Civil Suit against the Police Department pro bono. She already has the grounds for a strong Civil Suit against them...and the Police Department is only continuing to make her case against them stronger by resorting to Racially motivated threats of physical harm and violence.

Considering it is now getting MSM attention now, the Kennett Police Department should be expecting a visit from the F.B.I. right about now to investigate possible corruption and wrong-doing.

I'm not going to say that what the woman did was right or wrong. Hopefully she will get a fair and impartial trial no matter what.

But as far as the Police Department using the KKK to make threats of harm against the woman, everything else aside, this is inexcusable, and if they do not put that Officer on at least Suspension Pending Investigation, then the entire Police Department deserves getting sued into oblivion by this woman.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 12:03 PM
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Not that I've commented on the race issue.


But I will comment that, one time in high school.. A black student heard me say "Black" from a distance, and immediately came over and started yelling at me. Rather than back down, I simply pissed him off more.

But what had I actually said? I was talking to my friend about playstation games, and I was asking if he knew why some of them were black, while others were blue or clear.

But I've also had black friends that you could pretty much say any form of a racial slur to them and they thought it was funny.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by jdmjam
Thats granted mate, but why such a fuss over someone cutting in line?


I don't want this to sound rascist in any way, but it probably will. I live in a city that has a majority of black people. That being said, I have noticed quite often that black people have a problem with the concept of a que (line). At my local McDonald's (I go there at least 3-4 times a day for coffee) there is ALWAYS a black person who feels it is their right to step in front of me in line. And yes, it irks me.


Both times I was in the states, this sort of "rudeness" happened almost everywhere I went, I just thought it was normal.... that was both on the west and east coasts btw, in cinemas, fast food places, shops etc..


I'll give you my opinion on the matter. It is because black people feel like they are owed this. That's just my take on the attitude that I have been delt in my life from this race of people.


Although had the same situation (i.e shouting, cursing etc) happened in a major city here in the UK, she would have been escorted out of the store and told never to come back.


Exactly. What ever happened to "management reserves the right to refuse service"?



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by MegaCurious
After looking at the replies, it's not hard to see why America is in the state it's in. I don't see any reason to make any effort to keep it from crumbling to the ground.

And about the website, I could have chosen a different one but this is the first one google supplied. And it's also on CNN, and I supplied that link also.

Once the race issue pops up on ATS, it seems the stance of ATS is just do whatever you want to the black Americans, and if they say anything about it just say they're playing the "black card". I think that your reasoning on ATS in regards to the experience of black Americans (with the exception of like one or two) is ill-informed, sick, sadistic, and twisted.

So much for "denying ignorance".

[edit on 16-10-2009 by MegaCurious]


Will you please, for the love of god, stop playing a victim?

You post an article from a racist website and back it up by showing a news analyst giving her comments.

It wasn't covered as news.

By the way, CNN doing that Black in America segments was garbage.

Then you post "you don't know crap about being black in america".

Whaa Whaa Whaa.

Since you feel ATS doesn't care for black people you are more then welcomed to log off and never return. Your ignorance will not be missed.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by fraterormus
But as far as the Police Department using the KKK to make threats of harm against the woman, everything else aside, this is inexcusable, and if they do not put that Officer on at least Suspension Pending Investigation, then the entire Police Department deserves getting sued into oblivion by this woman.


This I agree with. I didn't read the entire article. If this is true, then the woman in question should sue the entire state IMO.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by MegaCurious
Once the race issue pops up on ATS, it seems the stance of ATS is just do whatever you want to the black Americans, and if they say anything about it just say they're playing the "black card". I think that your reasoning on ATS in regards to the experience of black Americans (with the exception of like one or two) is ill-informed, sick, sadistic, and twisted.

So much for "denying ignorance".


I think it's important to stop relating everything to race and also to stop playing the victim card.

I do agree with you, it's not easy being black in America, there's a liquor store every 2 blocks in the ghetto, CIA dumps drugs into the streets in the ghetto, gentrification, men treating women like nothing, women treating themselves like just flesh with no soul, white-skinned shareholders pushing gangsta rap music but the audience thinks all black people are like this.

True, but there's another side of the coin.
This is something Lupe Fiasco, an artist I consider a Genius, calls "The Cool".
The problem in the ghetto is The Cool.

Liquor store ever 2 blocks in the ghetto, and everyone gives in and wants to always be drunk.
CIA dumping drugs in the streets, and young black kids and adults standing on the corner thinking it's cool to sell it.
Gentrification, oh i'm from the hood that means i live the real life etc... and I keep getting pushed deeper deeper into the ghetto, cuz im so ghetto.

You hear what i'm saying?
This is not specific to black people but again it is.
It's really more relative to location

Do you see what i'm saying?
There are enemies, but also these enemies know how to make yourself your own enemy too

All that i'm saying is that it's importatn to stop playing the victim card and start a revolution
With more education, and responsibility.

you have take "the cool" and switch it around somehow
"the cool" is the blackmans worst enemy.

crips vs. bloods., crack babies etc..., black on black crime is also a massive problem
You have to look inwards before condemning the outwards.

I hope you don't take what I said the wrong way



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