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reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 01:38 PM by chrisd250
Originally posted by Pathos
Healthcare Reform is Communism (Socialism)
He comes the part where I tell everyone that I was right. Remember those comments that I made about - if the health care reform was to become law, everyone's physical self would be owned by the government? I also said the bills will force you to weight a certain amount, for you to stop smoking, etc...

I was right.

Senate proposals put premium on healthy living
www.msnbc.msn.com...


By more than doubling the maximum rewards and penalties that companies can apply to employees who flunk medical evaluations, the bills could put workers under intense financial pressure to lose weight, stop smoking or even lower their cholesterol.


I couldn't figure how they would do it, but the pieces finally dropped into place. If you do not follow the rules, they will financially ruin you into oblivion.


"Everybody said that we're going to be ending discrimination based on preexisting conditions. But this is in effect discrimination again based on preexisting conditions," said Ann Kempski of the Service Employees International Union.


"But, but, but, the article also says that private healthcare will not do so."
Remember, the final version will force everyone onto a public option. They will do it by making the public option more affordable; thus, employers will just dump people onto the system.

Welcome to communism! You will soon be owned.

[edit on 16-10-2009 by Pathos]


i agree that it is socialism, and people who live in the US should be against having more controls on our lives. we are a country based on freedom, not control


reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 03:55 PM by JohnnyCanuck
Originally posted by I_am_Spartacus
Yeeaaahh, uh, here is a little nugget for you about those "rankings"
www.cato.org...


And the CATO Institute is a libertarian lens through which to juggle numbers and verbiage...which is not to say its results are any more profound...simply that they suit those of a like mind.

Which is to say that one person's nugget is another's dross.


reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 03:34 AM by endisnighe
reply to post by I_am_Spartacus



It seems people keep posting the list that the US is the 35th. Spartacus posted a link but no one opened it. It is not another list.

It is how they rank the list. Amazingly non objectively.

1. Health Level: 25 percent
2. Health Distribution: 25 percent
3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent
4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent
5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent

But everyone keep avoiding the facts. Keep saying we are all idiots and controlled by the corporations.

Yes we need TRUE FREE MARKETS, but hell keep obfuscating are arguments against bigger government. Because WE ARE THE ONES that do not understand our own position.

Very pathetic indeed.


reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 07:55 AM by Skyfloating
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck



Marxist Propaganda says that Canada, Norway, New Zealand, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, The Netherlands, etc. are "socialist" countries.

You echoed this belief.

This information is false.

The countries in question are democracies of a multi-party-system which sometimes vote "social democrat" which, in American terms is Democrat and sometimes "Conservative" which is, in American terms Conservative.

The scale to the left is:

Social Democrat
Socialist
Communist

So you are right to call out the difference between #3 and #2. But calling Norway a "socialist country" is a gross distortion.

[edit on 21-10-2009 by Skyfloating]



reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 08:20 AM by JohnnyCanuck
Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to
post by JohnnyCanuck



Marxist Propaganda says that Canada, Norway, New Zealand, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, The Netherlands, etc. are "socialist" countries.


So does a certain amount of American propaganda...I am not going to call my southern cousins Marxist as a result.

Please...you understand what I am trying to convey, and I don't intend to invoke PoliSci 101 to make my point.


reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 10:12 AM by Someone336
reply to post by endisnighe



Keep saying we are all idiots and controlled by the corporations.


1. - American student's test scores are far behind that of the Asian countries and some European countries... if things in the educational field don't shape up soon then we will be a country of idiots in a few generations.

and

2. - We are controlled by corporations... corporate lobbyists and their influence on politicians proves this, the revolving door policy between Congress and the defense industry proves this, the fact that our health care is privatized proves this, the Federal Reserve being owned by a banking cartel proves this, our media's corporate ownership proves this, the number of people from the corporate world in the political system proves this... the war in Afghanistan, Iraq 2003, Iran 1953 proves this.

Yes we need TRUE FREE MARKETS, but hell keep obfuscating are arguments against bigger government. Because WE ARE THE ONES that do not understand our own position.


We have privatized health care. So why stop there? Privatize the police, the post office, how about corporate owned firemen? You gotta give them your credit card number over the phone before they come dose your burning house in water. Hell, privatize the military... oh, wait.

You want true free markets? Have fun when monopolies run rampant. Have fun when there isn't a single job on American soil because they've all been outsourced in order to exploit the workers of third world countries. Yeah, sounds good.

What we need is to eliminate large corporations, and turn all jobs into worker cooperatives. Reform the government into worker councils that oversee health care, education etc, etc, answerable only the people. Nationalize the oil and banking industries so that every citizen benefits. International councils that oversee trade and politics...

Of course, this is all Utopian dreaming and will probably never happen. But we can fix what we have now and move in the right direction.

[edit on 21-10-2009 by Someone336]
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