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reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 07:18 AM by Long Lance
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do you know the Hawaii island chain? they erode over time and everybody knows this.
do you really believe you are doing anyone a favor posting such obvious PR?
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reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 07:47 AM by j2000
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First off - Give'em Hell Dermo.  I am with ya all the way!
OP,
I am in the middle of the country.
I have a big boat.
If you believe the crap that Gore puts out.
I've got some Ocean front property for sale.
Of course it will only take another couple of years to get wet. 
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reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 08:06 AM by majestictwo
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First off - Give'em Hell Dermo. I am with ya all the way! OP, I am in the middle of the country. I have a big boat. If you believe the crap that
Gore puts out. I've got some Ocean front property for sale. Of course it will only take another couple of years to get we
I have never mentioned that nice Mr Gore once or even ambiguously refered to him. Who said "I believe him" all I showed was an article that showed
the thin ice in Arctic. Actually it was on the main news here (so it must be true) come on guys your getting in a lather. Ozweatherman quoted in a
earlier post we don't know enough ether way. I'm not going to argue with you one way or the other but tell you what meet back here in 10 years so I
can say TOLD YOU SO 
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reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 08:27 AM by majestictwo
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Here's and interesting article from both points of view
Clip....
So what can we expect in the next few years? Both sides have very different forecasts. The Met Office says that warming is set to resume quickly and
strongly. It predicts that from 2010 to 2015 at least half the years will be hotter than the current hottest year on record (1998). Sceptics
disagree. They insist it is unlikely that temperatures will reach the dizzy heights of 1998 until 2030 at the earliest. It is possible, they say, that
because of ocean and solar cycles a period of global cooling is more likely. One thing is for sure. It seems the debate about what is causing global
warming is far from over. Indeed some would say it is hotting up.
Read the article
What happened to global warming?
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reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 08:54 AM by Dermo
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Originally posted by majestictwo
come on guys your getting in a lather.
Yea, sorry for snapping at you
Its annoying when you can see the amount of profiteering and agenda pushing in the middle of the noble cause of stopping pollution AND then on top of
that have to listen to the amount of people going on and on and on and on and on and on and on about "Global Warming".
It makes it hard to take any of this stuff seriously.
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reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 07:20 PM by majestictwo
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Yea, sorry for snapping at you
Its okay Dermo - no problem here.
Its annoying when you can see the amount of profiteering and agenda pushing in the middle of the noble cause of stopping pollution AND then on top of
that have to listen to the amount of people going on and on and on and on and on and on and on about "Global Warming".
Oh look really I agree in many ways. Its a good cause we need to watch what we do all round. You know its not just with this stuff, the other one that
bugs me more is security. We are lucky here so far but other countries are simply spied on in the name of security look who's profiting there. Still
I wont rant...
It makes it hard to take any of this stuff seriously.
You got that right
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reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 11:06 PM by dodadoom
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You should have known better than to bring this up on a conspiracy site!
Edited the goobledy gook outta here then!
Good luck!
Simple enough?
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reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 02:21 AM by majestictwo
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You should have known better than to bring this up on a conspiracy site!
I do realise what ATS is about - what's the problem?
Can't/won't respond to the rest of the gobbledygook just too disjointed.
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reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 02:33 AM by dragonridr
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Were you aware that the arctic ice had melted before and sea farer's use to be abled to sail over the north pole.The vikings navigated the area
extensively and the climate was much warmer in Greenland in fact warm enough to grow grapes. This would mean sea levels would have had to drop as the
arctic froze but strange they didn't did they?
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reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 02:43 AM by dodadoom
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I do realise what ATS is about - what's the problem?
Everything is a conspiracy on here! Including GW!
And, its "realize".
Bringing up anything about climate change here is a
good way to get bashed around.
No problem, unless you enjoy that sorta thing, I guess.
Don't mind me, carry on.
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reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 03:41 AM by majestictwo
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Bringing up anything about climate change here is a good way to get bashed around.
Bashed around! - is that what you figure has happened. Really do you?
On the contrary no one has proven anything one way or the other including your post.
Ozweatherman probably summed it up in a earlier post...
Gore's scientific data isnt a lie, its just not representative of the long term historical meteorological data. In actual fact, we just do not have
that kind of historical data, to prove the global warmng theory, or, to disprove it. The only reliable way to do it, is to compile all proffesional
observational data, which is real time observations. But like I said we just dont have enough of it to confirm or deny global warming or climate
change
Still most arguments are against the profiting from the GW controversy. Are you then denying GW or admit its possible and are against the
profiteering.
Personally I think GW is happening be it natural or human assisted, ether way if it becomes server the human race will need to make changes.
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reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 03:47 AM by Chadwickus
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Originally posted by dodadoom
And, its "realize".
Only in America.
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reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 04:04 AM by dodadoom
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You're not from around here, are you?
Is it still okay to help out or are you just here to bash?(told ya OP)
What happened to Chadwickus the helpfull poster?
Is that the extent of your reply? Really?
Dont know what to say, so I won't.
Not worthy apparently. 
Now it's wrong to help someone?
Don't taze me bro!
Only in America.
How is "it" in Australia then?
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reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 04:15 AM by dodadoom
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Of course we are changing things on this planet.
Are we changing the climate? Ya, probably that too.
Only God knows for sure.
The rest of us? Not so much. Meh!
The ONLY ones even semi qualified to comment here are the eskimos. IMO
Wonder what they'd have to say about it? 
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reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 04:42 AM by Chadwickus
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Not bashing, just correcting a correction.
Semantics I know.
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reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 05:05 AM by dodadoom
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reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 11:43 AM by dodadoom
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A picture is worth a thousand words!
This page shows a selection of the locations where we have documented glacier and ice cap retreat -- a small set of images illustrating the
overwhelming evidence from hundreds of glaciers and ice caps on every continent that global warming is severely affecting the water and glacial cycles
of the planet. This is a profound change that unlike natural cycles like the Little Ice Age of the 16th and 17th centuries is proceeding very rapidly
and appears tied to no natural cycles.
Geophysicist Tom Osterkamp indicates ground level when he installed this temperature probe pipe near Denali Park, 15 years ago. Alaska permafrost
temperature has increased 0.5° to 1.5° C since 1980, when Osterkamp began measuring ground temperature at 30 sites.
www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org...
The retreating glaciers tell the real story! (without ranting)
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reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 11:49 AM by Ominousbeing
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If there is ice and water in a glass, and the ice melts. The ice isn't going to change the level of the water. Plus ice expands more than water, so
it might mean more land......
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reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 12:09 PM by badgerprints
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Originally posted by Ominousbeing
If there is ice and water in a glass, and the ice melts. The ice isn't going to change the level of the water. Plus ice expands more than water, so
it might mean more land......
Actually, it will even go down a bit.
The ice is mostly under water and when it is melted it will simply displace less.
You'd think that billions of people would know such a basic fact but I guess it's a secret.
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reply posted on 17-10-2009 @ 12:19 PM by dodadoom
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True. But this thread is about the arctic.
We covered this already.....
In antarctica, that ice sits on a rock.
When ice melts there, it does add to the oceans volume!
The influx of cold water also (may) alter oceanic currents!
The oceans are also heating up overall as well.
Hence the rapid destruction of the health of the ocean, the species therein
(like coral reefs) and increasing rates of extinction.
Speculating here,...when the earth and atmosphere heats up,
wouldnt it thereby create more evaporation also?
Thus, making storms more powerfull and the weather stranger
and more unpredictable? And yes sometimes even colder!
Nah........its all a sham! 
Our conscience, general paranoia and outright greed wont allow it to ever
be true or do anything about it anyway! Good point OP!
We had our chance, we blew it. we only get one try. 
We are basically environmental and resource rapists and we think its normal and fine and dandy.
We probably dont deserve this beautiful planet anyway,
if this is how we roll.
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