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When did kids get so stupid that we could no longer allow them to be kids?

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posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 10:45 AM
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Space monkeys, And all of those lyrics mean what?!

You act as if there weren't always musical lyrics that had words and meanings that children shouldn't listen to.

Don't believe me?

Look up some Bob Dylan songs. Some Rolling Stones songs. Hell, even some Beatles songs. While you're at it, go look up some eighties songs too. Then go to the nineties, if you have to. If those aren't enough u2u me and I'll state a whole bunch more. In quite a few of those songs, you will find drug references and other obscenities galore. Amongst other things. And hey! Kids listened to those songs too!

Like I said, some kids still do all of those things that the OP listed.
Others don't.

No conspiracy.

[edit on 10/16/2009 by agent violet]




posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 10:53 AM
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Part of it is those "newsmagazine" shows on television which instill all sorts of fears into people of which previous generations were blissfully unaware.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 10:59 AM
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yeah but it depends who its aimed at. Young girls arent asking for barbie dolls for xmas anymore, they are asking for thongs. There has been a disctinctive shift these passed few decades of children growing up far too quickly. Turn on MTV and you will think you are watching a softcore porn channel, it didnt used to be like that. And now kids have celebrities to look up to as if they know whats best for kids. We round up brainless, obnoxious, superficial morons we call celebrities to entertain our children.....wonderful! At least Bob Dilan had a brain!



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 11:09 AM
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I'm sorry for your situation. Life shouldn't be this way. You're right, families need 2 incomes to survive. Interestingly, I read a paper that stated women entering the work force had many unwanted results. One is that prices are pushed up so that it REQUIRES 2 incomes to survive. It is no longer an option to have 2 incomes!!! I am not anti-womens rights...I support equal rights for everyone, but this situation is for the dogs.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by SpaceMonkeys
reply to post by agent violet
 


yeah but it depends who its aimed at. Young girls arent asking for barbie dolls for xmas anymore, they are asking for thongs. There has been a disctinctive shift these passed few decades of children growing up far too quickly. Turn on MTV and you will think you are watching a softcore porn channel, it didnt used to be like that. And now kids have celebrities to look up to as if they know whats best for kids. We round up brainless, obnoxious, superficial morons we call celebrities to entertain our children.....wonderful! At least Bob Dilan had a brain!



Wow, you must be joking. Where do I begin?

1. Not all young girls ask for thongs for christmas. That is just untrue and utterfly false in every sense. Most young girls, I'm willing to bet still ask for toys and entertainment items. Not thongs.

2. Children growing up too quickly is not a fact. It is an opinion.

3. Children always have looked up to celebrities. Don't believe me? I'll make a list: And this is from the 1960's alone.

Jane Fonda
Joanne Woodward
Elizabeth Taylor
Sandy Dennis
Faye Dunaway
Natalie Wood
Mia Farrow
Julie Christie
Sharon Tate
Janet Leigh
Tippi Hedren
Nancy Kwan
Johnny Whitaker
Hayley Mills
Kim Darby
Dawn Lyn
Erin Murphy
Angela Cartwright
Anissa Jones
Stanley Livingston
Barry Livingston
Jerry Mathers
Paul Peterson
Billy Mumy
Butch Patrick
Pamelyn Ferdin
Lauren Chapin
Jack Wild
Sandra Dee
Donna Loren
Annette Funicello
Deborah Walley
Patty Duke
Sue Lyon
Sally Field
Tuesday Weld
Kurt Russell
Tony Dow
Tim Considine
Sherry Alberoni
Kathy Garver
Shelley Fabares
Yvette Mimieux
Olivia Hussey
Carol Burnett
Ruth Buzzi
Lucille Ball
Rock Hudson
Sidney Poitier
Tony Randall
Paul Newman
Walter Matthau
Richard Harris
Steve McQueen
Richard Burton
Jack Lemmon
Dustin Hoffman
Sean Connery
Charleton Heston
Michael Caine
Rod Taylor

or how about...

David McCallum
Peter Noone
Bobby Sherman
Fabian
Leonard Whiting
Frankie Avalon
Davy Jones
Troy Donahue
Pat Boone
David Soul
Diana Rigg
Bobby Sherman
Twiggy
Ann-Margret
Yvonne Craig
Barbara Feldon
Jean Shrimpton
Julie Newmar
Diana Rigg
Raquel Welch
Carol Wayne
Jayne Mansfield
Carol Lynley


There are countless others. Anyone that grew up in America in the 1960's is sure to recognize many of those names, from when they were children.

4. Speaking of 'Bob Dilan' having a brain, his stage-name is spelled 'Bob Dylan'.

Just saying...




sources:

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www.tellinitlikeitis.net...





[edit on 10/16/2009 by agent violet]



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 11:37 AM
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Well if thats what you think then fair enough but its so obvious what is going on. Obviously I dont think every single girl is asking for thongs at xmas but I was giving an example of the sudden shift that has happened in the past few decades which is clearly obvious but if you dont see it then carry on, nothing to see here. I happen to have a 14 year old sister, cousins of the same age and a 5 year old niece and its just so blatantly obvious how much things have changed over the years. Anyway Im wasting my breathe, maybe I put it wrong in my previous post.
Btw I was refering to a documentary I saw a few months ago which showed young children asking their parents for bras and thongs to fit in with their friends at school.

[edit on 16-10-2009 by SpaceMonkeys]



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 11:39 AM
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I patently disagree that kids have gotten dumber.

I had the same childhood you describe, and lived too. But that doesn't make me smarter then than my six year old son or four year old daughter is now.

In fact, kids are getting smarter. Look at the complicated technologies and curriculum they are exposed to; betcha you couldn't have figured that stuff out if it was given to you at that age.

What's missing from your accusation that kids are stupid is that they're being raised by parents --in many cases, stupid parents-- in a society of fear, litigation, and limited accountability. Parents cannot discipline their kids the way they could when we were their age. Media coverage and access artificially inflates the perceived dangers facing children, and it makes it look like there's a pedophile in every neighborhood, and a kidnapper next door to the pedophile. Youtube and other video sites show kids doing stupid things, and we take that as the norm, even though it's the same level of stupid that we were at that age.

The bottom line: you can't blame kids for being stupid. They were birthed by someone, and that someone has a responsibility to raise those children to not be stupid. Dumb kid = failed parent.

Maybe you should rename your thread "Have Parents Stopped Trying to Teach Their Children?"

-Mordeen



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 11:40 AM
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Because of the fear instilled in parents regarding child services.

I had all of those things. When I told my husband, he said child abuse. But I had a single mother and had to babysit myself for 9 hours at a time. I was smart enough to not touch the stove.

While it would seem sad and lonely, I would actually end up having a good time. I had an excellent imagination, and it never felt like 8 hours.

But nowadays, you can't take your child to the ER without having to worry about PS showing up.

My aunt took my cousin when she was little, because my cousin was jumping on the bed and fell off and broke her arm. it was the first trip ever to the ER! Yet CS showed up.

But I think there is another part too. What makes humans so intelligent and big brained is that we do have TWO parents taking care of children as long as necessary to raise the kids to be successful. Teh world is getting bigger, children need more education in order to be successfull. It is getting more complicated.

So I think it may be an evolutionary step a little, to keep children longer in order to prepare them for the world.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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Just my .02

I don't think you can paint them all with a single stroke. I'm a college professor at a typical state university. We get all kinds, and there are some who clearly didn't have enough parental supervision. As freshmen, they act like I acted in 8th or 9th grade...like they're too cool for all of this, it has no value and they know better than the adults what the real world is like. You can't teach these kids anything, and many are still going through that "rebelling against authority" stage which they should have gotten over years ago. It's embarrassing.

Then you get some who are basically good kids, but they're constantly trying to cast themselves as victims because they always got a lot of mileage out of that. Any time they mess up, it's not really their fault. They look for somebody or something else to blame. These are really the ones you're talking about in this thread. Their parents and teachers were always willing to accept this characterization because they wanted badly to believe their kids could do no wrong. All the kids had to do was convince them their intention was good, which is easy when that's exactly what a parent wants to believe. Unfortunately, many demonstrate extremely poor judgement when they get into college and are on their own becuase they've been over-parented by indulgent parents.

But you also get flat out good kids. Smart. Responsible. Possessing common sense and good judgement with a strong work ethic.

What I do find with kids these days in almost all groups is that they tend to be self-absorbed. Not self-centered, just self-absorbed. They're not really concerned with anything that doesn't directly affect THEM and they don't think about such things.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 12:13 PM
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It seems to be the overall policy to treat Kids like little adults and not children. It's a damn shame that kids can't seem to have a real childhood anymore!



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 12:42 PM
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Why don't you ask kids what's wrong with kids?

Several teenagers posted here great and most constructive posts in the thread, yet people keep writing their own thoughts without even reading the thread. How arrogant.

Following posters of under 20 years gave some answers you should read:
OutlanderHuman24
grrrrt
Jalis

You're blinded by your own ego, arrogance and hypocrisy to see the great burden on you and your kids. If you could somehow sit down and really see that burden, you would probably go completely insane in terror and fear.

Look at bellow facts.

Kids kill themselves, they go out and commit suicide on regular basis. That's not stupid, it's a symptom of internal corruption.

Additionally, more kids are suffering from mental illnesses and random phobias, many of which are not reported nor treated whatsoever. The statistics are almost non existent, as most kids and adults just take the pill and are OK for work. To make things worse, most of them also hides their terrible illness until it becomes too late.

What about cancer rates? When someone actually *finds* a cancer, he only found one symptom of a far more sinister disease that has plagued the body and mind - it can begin to develop in very young ages. So, all those kids with hodgkins and non-hodgkins lymphoma were doomed to it almost from the birth as they have little control over their lives.

Other psychological diseases? Won't even mention. If you start a research on all of these you could get sick yourself. The stuff that happens to people is gruesome.

So, I think it's pretty stupid to say that kids are stupid just because of X-BOX. Remember, your kids are always trying to be YOU, however impossible that may sound. If you're away from your kids, then god only knows what will kid try to be.

I know few will even read this whole post, and those few probably already know cause and solution. The subject of this thread is a demoralizing problem which only further indicates our bloodline is in eternal loop of suffering, but being truly aware of it is one huge step towards the solution.

Refer to this site for more information on most common mental, behavioural and social problems in today's mankind:
www.bpdworld.org...

Kids need to become aware of it, cope with it and control it - not the other way around. That task is very very hard to accomplish. Remember that bad parenting is also a symptom and not by far the sole cause.

Oh and being paranoid is not being aware.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 01:01 PM
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21 years old here. Leaving my kid years.......reluctantly.

There are two types of general categories in my opinion. Those kids who are responsible and held back by their parents and those who have parents that don't give a flying fudge which ends up with the kid causing trouble. There's also a grey area, but not nearly as big.

I think the main problem is there is no middle ground with parents and their children anymore. It's either one or the other.

Personally my mother is a helicopter parent, and my dad, thank God is some of the few in the grey zone. He offers me advice to steer clear of trouble but still allows me to go out and do it with his famous line


" But don't come crying back to me when the Sh!t hits the fan, because i'll just tell you, I told you so"


Only exception is when i wanted to do something that would have really cause BIG problems or kill myself for sure, he said no. I plan on continuing my dad's philosophy when i have kids.

Don't blame Xbox or the internet. Those are today's forms of entertainment. It only is a negative when the parents don't monitor their children's behavior. Heck I played Doom on the PC back when I was a squirt, but my parents did a good job and now i'm not a violent psychopathic killer.

Lastly I think we've gone to far with CS and spanking a child. I understand it was to prevent an alcoholic or abusive parent but sometimes they need a good smack to put them back in line. Heck I use to get the spoon and I consider myself better off.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 01:20 PM
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Reading your post reminded me of my summers with friends running around the woods or cycling 20 miles to get to a really big forest. I sometimes walk in those same places and i never see kids anymore. I'm only 24 and yet this change seems to have happened in only 1 or 2 generations.

I think the blame can be put on two things.

1) Media scared parents who believe their is a murderous paedophile on every corner, behind every tree just waiting to abduct their children. So they don't let their kids out to go places like a forest.

2) Video games. Now i love video games, i loved them as a kid but they weren't the centre of my life, used mostly in the winter. Now this has changed, kids just sit for hours and hours playing them.

It is pretty sad really, no wonder the rate of obesity has gone up so much.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 01:21 PM
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Rereading my post i didn't truly answer th OP, "When did kids get stupid".

They got "stupid" when pop culture has been steering their lives into a darker more disturbed reality.

When Hollywood acts a certain way, if they don't have good parents to talk to about life, they spiral downward and act like the movies and games. They're also being bombarded with mixed messages and are going crazy trying to figure it out without help.

Like a girl is suppose to be dress like a tramp but she's only a tramp when she sleeps with guys and for the guy it's not manly if you are not trying to get into every hot girl's pants.

It is up to the parents OBLIGATION to talk to their kids about them, give them the big picture and if the kid understands it and still wants to then it shouldn't be the parents decision to limit them unless it will harm them.

Conclusion, we are being taught "stupid", we accept it because we are influence easily and our parents are not doing their job properly in one way or another to guide us.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by Sundancer
When I was a kid there were around 100 other kids in an upper middle class neighborhood.

We jumped off the roof into the pool, had BB guns, and tree houses. We rode in the back of pick up trucks, rode our bikes up and down the streets, gone for an easy 8 hours at a time without parental supervision.

The older kids looked out for the younger ones, the middle kids fed the younger ones mud pies made from suzi bake ovens and we all had our butts back home in time for dinner when the street lights came on.
We all lived.

There weren't many girls having abortions at 14 because we weren't having intercourse. It wasn't because we were on the pill, and believe me, it wasn't because we didn't have the opportunity. Virgins at 17 and 18 were still common.

When did kids get so stupid that we could no longer allow them to be kids?
Why don't kids play outside in the states anymore?

There were pervs and killers when I was growing up too. What happened?
Was it because of the government, did our kids get dumber, or is it the parents?


[edit on 15-10-2009 by Sundancer]


It's called:

"The Pill and Feminism".



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 01:48 PM
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Youth society has changed, this is true; but allow me to correct you on some things, and this is coming from a 17 year old.

Between the ages 7 to 16 or so, I was outside all the time. 8 hours plus almost every day. I can tell you for a fact that kids today still love being outside. Sure, some kids prefer the indoors, but it was the same deal back in the 80's and even 70's because in modern times, there has ALWAYS been things that would keep children indoors for hours and hours. A couple buddies of mine live in upper class areas, and these kids are outside bmxing all the time.

I'm not speaking for all kids today, but you are greatly overstating how bad kids are nowadays, probably because the media has instilled this perception in you. At my school, I see around 1 or 2 pregnant kids a year, and there are 2000+ kids at my school. Do the math.

It's easy to follow the thought process of the people who post things like what the OP posted:

1) Hear news about teenage pregnancy / abortion / statistics on youth obesity / video game addiction etc etc.

2) Does no further research or first hand investigation

3) Types up ridiculous, biased and misinformed rant about how unexposed kids are today, and that when they were kids, they were outside all the time!

4) Posts on blogger.com

That's all I have to say.

[edit on 16-10-2009 by free_form]



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by Chovy
You never had xbox or playstation when you were a kid.

Now kids think killing things is fun.


Although videogames are a major part in the desensitization of violence...

When I was kid, there was hunting. I used to hunt all the time, killing lots of "things". My point is, if you come across ANY form of violence frequently enough you WILL become desensitized.

Videogames is not the first to do this...



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by Sundancer

When did kids get so stupid that we could no longer allow them to be kids?


goverment is the answer.



Why don't kids play outside in the states anymore?


goverment is the answer.



did our kids get dumber, or is it the parents?


[edit on 15-10-2009 by Sundancer]


none, goverment is the answer.

See the way I see it is that parents can't be parents anymore, so why would kids be kids?

there has always being stupid parents and stupid kids, but thanks to goverment all of us pay equally now.

[edit on 16-10-2009 by Arsenis]



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 02:40 PM
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I'll answer the title question. Back in the 70s and 80 with the "Me first' attitude. I see this everywhere I go. Parents who would rather be their kids friend as it would be less stressful to them than actually being a parent. This attitude, of course, gets transferred onto kids that don't know what to do with the message they're receiving. Our kids aren't stupid, their parents are, and it is high time you people, if you're out there reading this, START TAKING RESPONSIBILITY It's not about you!



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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I live around a lot of kids and there's nothing wrong with them. In fact they are usually quite bright, funny and, sensible. They unfortunately get sucked into whatever game the adults around them are playing which are often anything but sensible.



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