Treaties are potentially so threatening to the sovereignty of the individual States and the Union of These States that two thirds of the Senators are required to be convinced that the treaty under consideration does not contravene the U.S. Constitution and/or adversely impact on the retained functions and interests of the States before they consent/ratify.

In 1789, the States directly ratified the Constitution --- as per Article VII. Since then, the States through their representatives (their Senators) must also ratify any treaty --- Article II, Section 2, paragraph 2 --- for the same reason, namely, that the creators (the States) must have the final say.

There is a pecking order: God made People, People made States, States made the Union. Therefore, the Union is beholden to the States, the States are beholden to the People, and all three are beholden to God.

Further, Article VI, paragraph 2 quoted above commands that if and when all of the above requirements for a treaty are met --- that is, a) it does not contradict the Constitution; b) it is negotiated by the President who has sworn to not violate, and who in fact is not violating the Constitution; and c) it is ratified by two thirds of the State-defending-Senators who have sworn to not violate, and who do not by their vote violate the Constitution --- then, and only then, may the treaty in question go into full force and effect for the Union and for all of the individual States in the Union. This latter consequence is the reason for Article VI, paragraph 2 to conclude:

"...and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the [not "this"] Constitution [ of any State] or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. [Emphasis added.]"

So, the Judges in each State must obey a bona fide treaty, even if the treaty is contrary to that state's Constitution or contrary to any law of that state.

Is it me or are things becoming surreal?

Originally posted by I_am_Spartacus
Is it me or are things becoming surreal?

It sure is, this is an important topic, and look at the few responses, I don't get it.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by I_am_Spartacus
Is it me or are things becoming surreal?

It sure is, this is an important topic, and look at the few responses, I don't get it.

I hate to say it, but I think the reason there are so few responses is for two reasons. 1.) There has been so much of this sort of talk in the last year that people are now numb to the fact that it is actually possible. 2.) Alot of poeple do not understand fully what the impact of something like this could be.

The likelihood of something like this actually happening is slim, but based on what I have seen so far in the game I wouldn't rule anything impossible.

This crap has been in the works for quite a while. Congress didn't just come up with the "CAP & TRADE" bill out of nowhere. It has always been a setup. Obama will probably find some way to skirt ratification through the Senate. Just as Bush did with the Partners for Prosperity Treaty.

This topic was discussed very in deep a while back when it became news, but as usual we have been inundated with many other "issues" that people has become oblivious of the repercussion of the what I call the CRAP and trade bill.

Remember this bill is been pushed by over a thousand lobbyist that are all to profit from it.

As usual is not the will of the people that is taken into consideration but the will of interest groups.

Americas lack of interest in the different governmental processes is what eroding this nations will to fight for what is considered ours.

But this what you get when the only way to go is trusting those that we are believed to elect.

the health care bill is nothing compare to what we are going to be heading with the CRAP and trade bill if passed.

I think there are so few posts for a few different reasons. Some people believe in our savior so much they are willing to have complete faith in his actions even if the evidence is stairing them in the face.
Secondly you have those who have given up and are so stressed they have stopped watching this happen, it's like watching a train accident. You know it's coming there is very little you can do to stop the train and you turn away so you don't have to witness it. Thirdly there are those who have seen the writing on the wall and decided to be quite less they attract the wrong kind of attention from an Administration who has shown a willingness to punish those who speak out. Lastly you have those making plans and too busy with those plans to contribute.

Originally posted by exile1981
I think there are so few posts for a few different reasons. Some people believe in our savior so much they are willing to have complete faith in his actions even if the evidence is stairing them in the face.
Secondly you have those who have given up and are so stressed they have stopped watching this happen, it's like watching a train accident. You know it's coming there is very little you can do to stop the train and you turn away so you don't have to witness it. Thirdly there are those who have seen the writing on the wall and decided to be quite less they attract the wrong kind of attention from an Administration who has shown a willingness to punish those who speak out. Lastly you have those making plans and too busy with those plans to contribute.

I am stressed, some days I don't want to look.

Just read about this on another forum - this looks like a pretty big deal.. could this be Mr BO's raison d'etre? If this is true then this should be flagged up big time across ATS..could be time for all those keyboard warriors to use their networking skills and spread the word.

Hope this get's flagged the crap out of..

Berth

This should be upfront and flagged so much that it won't fall off of
hot topics.

It makes me sick because I don't see any way that this will not
happen.

Unless the MSM starts talking about it, the regular population won't
know about it until it is too late.

Maybe Rush or Glen Beck will do a show about it. Of course, if they do,
they just be smacked down and demonized by the other news sources and
the White House.