Originally posted by Laurauk

The UK.. We might not look much, but when push comes to shove, the UK will stand up to those whom threaten it.

Too true, i won't stand anyone trying to threaten or take over our country.

We're a very proud nation. I can't wait till we take it back to how it should be someday.

We may be ruled and governed and policed by cowards.

But the UK public are tough bastards who will look after our own.

We won't let sharia law occur in the UK.

Just comparing two verses from the Bible and the Koran, one admits this verse and plays it out. No doubt there are plenty of Old Testament verses of the same theme, but through some research I found these two comparisons.

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Joel 3 (New International Version)

Joel 3

The Nations Judged

1 "In those days and at that time,
when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will gather all nations
and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. [a]
There I will enter into judgment against them
concerning my inheritance, my people Israel,
for they scattered my people among the nations
and divided up my land.

3 They cast lots for my people
and traded boys for prostitutes;
they sold girls for wine
that they might drink.
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Verses

Qur'an 33:26 "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before."

Bukhari:V4B52N143
V5B59N523 "When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed, so Allah's Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.'"

Bukhari:V5B59N524
"The Muslims said among themselves, 'Will Safiyah be one of the Prophet's wives or just a lady captive and one of his possessions?'"

The following is the story of Safiyah Bint Huyeiy Ibn Akhtab, the Jewish woman who was captured when Muhammad’s troops attacked Kheibar and brought her to the Prophet as part of his share of the booty. Muhammad ordered Kinana, the young husband of Safia to be tortured to death to make him reveal the whereabouts of the treasure of the town. On the very nigh of that murder, he took Safia to his bed and claimed that young girl as his trophy. This story is reported by Tabari in detail. It can also be found in Sira of Ibn Ishaq. The following is reported in the Book of Tabaqat compiled by Ibn Sa'd and is published in the Islamic site.
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No doubt the Bible is right, the Old Testament even predicts such actions, either because of prophetic vision or because of history of mankind will treat the Jews in this manner. The Koran translates these actions as spoils for war, it is an honour, so much so they made a religion out of it. When God judges the nations we will see if Allah or Christ (since he gained the right to judge) will be doing the talking.
Maybe the Koran's version of Christ in the opposite manner is there to confuse the world.

The fires are being built stoaked. The problem I think people have with this is that if 5000 christians walked the streets of london calling for christian law and out with muslim laws (that are small courts within muslim communities, that do not overide UK law) those 5000 protestors would be branded racist. The problem the brittish public have is that they feel they must be good hosts, nobody wants to rock the boat. I can see a major uprising comming from the british public within my lifetime, there will be a holy war on this land, I for one would rather kill than be ruled under muslim law.

Sancte Michael Archangele, defende nos in proelio

Good day

It's time to suppress them now and put them back in line before they start running around the streets screaming "infidel".

I heard Allah has a list and he’s checking its right an he’s gona find out who’s naughty an nice and h…OH wait my mistake I was thinking of another guy, goes by the name Santa. Well I think if they need a fictional character to follow Santa has the better C.V…

I am white British and there is a lot of these clowns around my way. BUT I AM NOT BITING. don’t be a sucker.

It will never happen. However it does prove that the UK is a true democracy. They are allowed to ask that question. However Muslim law is not for me. I dont need to starve my wife and lets face it every one needs a good income to support a family...thus meaning that every man and woman need equal education and employment opportunities.

Interesting to draw this paralell. In Iran or Sudan or a Muslim country, if you were another religion or just wanted a different law and started marching through streets demanding a change...

...you would be arrested, tortured , and then killed. ....or maybe not killed but your life would be hell.

If there are any Muslims here...then if you want Sharia Law....and feel really really strongly about it....then leave the UK. Bugger off else where. Society should be Secular. Europe is the most advanced (Socially and culturally) area on Earth. I think people should be happy about the freedom of thought we have here in Europe.

The danger we have in the UK is the following: Allowing migrant populations to not integrate into the UK , form small but concentrated communities that become a law unto themselves. We need to either close the doors to imigration (UK has higher population than pretty much every other country), or / and not allow migrant populations to form tight nit secure districts. Like some parts of the UK you now have to play spot the white man. Plus, in some areas...no one speaks english. I mean that is just wrong. Im in no way racist. We all have a lot to contribute, but Im certainly culturalist....as in some cultures are so far behind the EU that its like trying to integrate a caveman into a work placement at Price Waterhouse Coopers as an advanced business analyst. We need to be careful what we choose to allow into our countried personally....but thats just my opinion. Your colour and creed don't make you a menace...its what you believe.

One of the most troubling things about this whole issue is how believers and disbelievers will act when Total World Chaos happens. You do not win wars by showing compassion for your enemy and presenting them with flowers and candy. This is why I have said many times that Islam as a religious ideology is a grave threat to Western civilisation - and pretty much anywhere where a non-Muslim population exists. It is true that the real trouble makers represent a small faction of Islam. But as you correctly asserted earlier, when the decision is put forth to them (allegiance to the UK, or allegiance to Islam?) most will choose the 2nd option. While this is not necessarily a bad thing, Muslims are very devoted and loyal to their religion. (Excluding westernised teenaged/young adult Muslims.)

These people are willing to die for their religious beliefs. I am not talking about Gay Atheists parading in the streets and threatening to boycott a music artist because he said "Gay Rights are so gay...". I am talking about a large group of physically strong and mentally tough, fearless men that will murder and incite others to violence through intimidation and coercion. Who do not care if they are killed while trying to spread the message. They will not stop until their religious ideology is accepted and revered.

[edit on 20/10/2009 by Dark Ghost]

Originally posted by kilas
It will never happen. However it does prove that the UK is a true democracy. They are allowed to ask that question.

Yeah........ Since when has shouting at a guy "You have no right to be here" considered asking a question?

Originally posted by kilas
There are some Muslims who treat women like dogs, have a really messed up set of laws and cause a lot of pain. And there are a good number that treat women as equals and the only thing they don't like in their lives are Drugs and Booze. You have two sides of the coin.

Just like you have some very nice Christians in the world, who believe in love and peace. Then you have the New American Christian movement who are extremist racist violent gun wielding thugs who want to take over thw world.

They give them EVERY opportunity to integrate but they make it clear they don't want to and when we play hard ball or have negative comments about them we are the ones in the wrong.

All I know is that there should be a zero tolerance rule put into affect just like they have in their countries. You want to stay extremist, GOODBYE, men on the first cargo ship/plane/truck to their backwards thinkings country and women and children a nice plane ride. We'll see how they like it.

With that being said, I'm am NOT sympathetic to any extremist movement. The problem is they are so brainwashed and they continue to brainwash their children so that it will go on indefinitely.

Again, easiest way to separate the extremists from normal ones (for whom I have great respect) is get them while they're out protesting stupidity. All the normal ones won't be out their DEMANDING that the UK becomes a Islamic country.

And kilas, i'm not picking on you, just your posts got me ranting.

Originally posted by Dark Ghost
I feel you are missing the point I am trying to make. My criticism is not with Muslims. It is not even with Islam as a religion. My criticism and concern for the world is Islam as a religious ideology. When a small faction of extremists use this as justification for committing violence against those who do not agree with their religious ideology. I even made a thread recently explaining my views on this issue. My opinion of most Muslims is like my opinion of most non-Muslims: hard-working people who want peace and security for their family and friends. Extremists are indeed a danger in all walks of life.

[edit on 20/10/2009 by Dark Ghost]

QFT, Quoted for Truth

How can you justify their cause if their cause leads to the demise of Christians,Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists...... It's pretty much them against the world. So why should the variety of the world put up with their crap.

CRB86 you are just too funny...
I propose we all attend the march dressed as bacon rashers...
Seriously for those who think it will never happen - parts of Halifax, Bradford etc are already like being in another country. There are mosques everywhere, calls to prayer, regular religious processions, fireworks, soft pedalling on crime like drug dealing etc As for the lax morals of our western society, I can tell you that the college I used to attend had to tighten the usage rules of the computers because muslim youths were coming in to download porn. And there are prostitution rings run by.... So less of the holier than thou attitude I think.
Sorry to sound like a racist but yes - this sort of thing does tend to make you feel like joining the BNP.

[edit on 20-10-2009 by unicorn1]