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Originally posted by thunderabove
reply to post by Dasher
what exactly am i supposed to get from some bible verses? i still dont get it. you are quoting a book written and edited by a great deal of men over many years.... what are you trying to get across?? i hardly see how scripture can be a legitimate argument in almost any circumstance.
and nwodeath.... have you ever been to a third world country? because the starving kids begging me for food werent real there..
then again i may be taking what you are saying out of context... as you may be saying exactly what i believe, but im not sure.....it seemed a bit preachy
EDIT: dasher, i did read your post before posting my previous post. i found it all rather irrelevant
[edit on 16-10-2009 by thunderabove]
Originally posted by nwodeath
Originally posted by thunderabove
reply to post by Dasher
quoting a bunch of bible verses doesn't accomplish anything.
god does play favorites, another example.
god lets there be evil, rich people; god lets there be poor innocent starving children
god doesn't give a #
You must believe there is something outside of yourself, huh?
Do you even realize that the impressions on your visual cortex being interpreted by your brain is only a set of frequencies and everything we perceive outside us in the world is a reflection of what is going on inside us already. There is no outside reality, only what is on the inside. That is YOUR reality. What goes on in someone else's head is their reality, not yours.
When you see others suffer, you are not seeing God mistreating those people. Those people are not real, in your reality. They are a reflection of you and what you see is your personal lesson, meant for only you.
You are not subject to anyone else's reality only your own, so when you look at something in the world and see it as reality, you make it YOUR reality at that moment. There is no starvation There is no real suffering. Those are illusions of the flesh and physical. If you were starving or suffering, You would be doing it to yourself. Nobody is doing it TO YOU. You perceive it that way, so it becomes so.
You create your own reality, so why give that power to anyone outside yourself. Take responsibility for yourself and quite blaming others.
And give yourself more love too, and acceptance.
[edit on 16-10-2009 by nwodeath]
Originally posted by thunderabove
reply to post by Dasher
what exactly am i supposed to get from some bible verses? i still dont get it. you are quoting a book written and edited by a great deal of men over many years.... what are you trying to get across?? i hardly see how scripture can be a legitimate argument in almost any circumstance.
Originally posted by Dasher
If Pride or Chaos live within a person, they will hate the Eternal.
If OrderCharity live within a person, they will honor the Eternal.
Originally posted by Dasher
Part of a plant is eaten, part is burned/decomposed. It is all one plant, none greater than another, but part has a greater purpose of becoming One with They who commune, the other has a great purpose of becoming examples of the power of They who consume.
Originally posted by thunderabove
and nwodeath.... have you ever been to a third world country? because the starving kids begging me for food werent real there..
then again i may be taking what you are saying out of context... as you may be saying exactly what i believe, but im not sure.....it seemed a bit preachy
EDIT: dasher, i did read your post before posting my previous post. i found it all rather irrelevant
Originally posted by xelamental
Originally posted by nwodeath
You create your own reality, so why give that power to anyone outside yourself. Take responsibility for yourself and quite blaming others.
That's illogical. This isn't the matrix, and you are not Neo. Otherwise you could go stand in front of a bus going 50kph, get hit full frontal, and not get killed. Wanna bet on it?
Originally posted by xelamental
God creates us all according to theists.
Recent research shows that the higher your IQ, the less likely you are to believe in god. But god made us.
Does that mean that he embedded in some of us a predisposition to not believe in him, and in others a predisposition to believing?
Theists tell me: Why would a god do such a thing if he truly loves each of us equally?
BTW I am an athiest, but I am generally interested in your thoughts on this.
Originally posted by redoubt
Originally posted by xelamental
God creates us all according to theists.
Recent research shows that the higher your IQ, the less likely you are to believe in god. But god made us.
Does that mean that he embedded in some of us a predisposition to not believe in him, and in others a predisposition to believing?
Theists tell me: Why would a god do such a thing if he truly loves each of us equally?
BTW I am an athiest, but I am generally interested in your thoughts on this.
I will not blow a warm wind up your ass and tell you that I have all the answers. There are simply too many questions to be answered by a single
person. And perhaps... just perhaps, that is the whole thing.
Humanity is a test of a concept that the greater whole can be divided to individual cells and each will do better as an individual than as part of a collective whole.
Time tested, the theory holds its own because it was the arrival of the American state that gave the individual the right and so too, the power to express thought into invention.
It really just complicates the hell out of the idea of a collective doing more then the one. But history does bear out that while the single mind free to think can and will think better, it also releases the greed factor as a prime motivator.
In the end, the experiment goes on and with each generation, the question remains.
No answers here but if you missed the question... it's your own fault.
Originally posted by xelamental
My claim was that it's not my fault if "god" made me this way. If he programmed in me logic that enables me to look at the world objectively, that's on him, if he's real.
Originally posted by Dasher
Rom 9:18-23
Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory
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Part of a plant is eaten, part is burned/decomposed. It is all one plant, none greater than another, but part has a greater purpose of becoming One with They who commune, the other has a great purpose of becoming examples of the power of They who consume.
Foolish understanding tells us that all are given to equally.
Wise understanding sees correctly that we are all given to.
Originally posted by pieman
as far as i could see, the reasearch only showed that the higher your IQ, the less likely you are to admit to believing in god in the current social climate.
Originally posted by nwodeath
reply to post by xelamental
You might not choose to die, but I would. So, maybe you aren't creating reality like you could be, maybe you are subjected to it, like a pet rock or something.
Originally posted by ghaleon12Objectively, a person shouldn't eat that Big Mac but they still do because its pleasurable. But really it seems like they're running on the same subjectivity that humans as a whole run on.
Originally posted by nwodeath
reply to post by xelamental
You might not choose to die, but I would. So, maybe you aren't creating reality like you could be, maybe you are subjected to it, like a pet rock or something.
Originally posted by Dasher
Originally posted by nwodeath
reply to post by xelamental
You might not choose to die, but I would. So, maybe you aren't creating reality like you could be, maybe you are subjected to it, like a pet rock or something.
I really thought about this one a long time. I hope it makes sense. I agree with your statement 100%!
It is good to know where we come from.
Chaos and Pride act without form or movement in continuity, quantum particles act without non-quantum mechanical physics in continuity, rocks act without programming in continuity, animals act without judgment in continuity, judges (gods) act without goodness in continuity, good judges act without perfection in continuity, and Life who gives all is eternal.
The Son's of Gods move through the Chaos and Pride, always being given life to move closer to Light.
The Son's of the Temporary come from and return to increasingly beautiful forms of Chaos and Pride.
The next step for the good judges in the dance of the eternal are not of these cosmos. All others can know their fate by knowing what they are. With regards to men, some are still animals, some are still gods, some are good gods and they await perfection in communion with all who are One. Christ the Creator, who is their oldest brother, and Spirit the Comforter, who is their spiritual senses, are in them and bonds them until then.
All freedom is a gift, but not all freedom is eternally free.
Originally posted by xelamental
I would like to reply, but I seriously don't understand anything you are talking about. It's like reading a "gurus" website or something, a lot of text, no information.
Are you saying that you create your own reality? Whats with your love affair with Chaos and Pride? Can you speak in non-guru for a few moments so I can actually understand the core of your argument?
Remember; great minds say more with less.
Originally posted by Dasher
Chaos and Pride act without form or movement in continuity, quantum particles act without non-quantum mechanical physics in continuity, rocks act without programming in continuity, animals act without judgment in continuity, judges (gods) act without goodness in continuity, good judges act without perfection in continuity, and Life who gives all is eternal.
Originally posted by xelamental
Whats with your love affair with Chaos and Pride?
Originally posted by Dasher
Originally posted by xelamental
Whats with your love affair with Chaos and Pride?
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I suppose I find it difficult to explain something so "big" with words in the first place, but then to also keep it short, well I can only do my best. Chaos and Pride are the opposite and inverse of God. So they are very important to speak of since God is much more difficult to discuss directly and plainly.
[edit on 10/19/2009 by Dasher]