'Israel may attack Iran after December'

reply to post by princeofpeace
As I told you above, the Russians knows where the Israeli submarines are. And an Israeli Dolphin submarine don't have a single change against an Petersburg, Graney and Borey class state of an art submarines (And they have few more classes, such as the Typhoon and the Delta IV). And while Israel has five subs, the Russians have quite more. So all the odds against the Israelis. Presumably one Russian anti-sub sub is following every single Israeli submarine from a distance. In the present the Russians are one of the masters of the submarine warfare. The Israelis surely don't knows a Russian sub is behind their back as they can't see them.

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Thats a lot of Ifs. Russia would not go unscathed believe me. And Russia would not risk nuking Israel and the fall-out that it would cause surrounding nations as Israel is a small territory. The nuclear fallout would definitely spread to surrounding nations...much different than nuking a much larger territory such as Iran.

reply to post by princeofpeace
Trust me. If Israel goes to wild, the Russians will send them back to the stone age within moments. Maybe they're not going to use nukes. Maybe they're just going to send few squadrons of Backfires and Blackjacks to level Tel Aviv and the other major cities. They have 161 Tu-22s and 16 Blackjacks. They're sending few escort jets, such as SU37s (State of an art crafts again) along with these beauties and the Israelis don't have a chance at all.

So, the fact is: whatever the Israelis are planning, they're dead at the very moment as they start to attack. If the Israelis want to launch nukes, the Russians will take those nukes down as they have anti-nuke capability. So Russia is in safe from them. It's not the best to mess with them or with their allies.

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Just have a look on the map.

There is no nuking Israel without collateral damages to neighboring countries
like Egypt, Jordania, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, maybe even Turkey, and Cyprus.

A nuke on Iran would not cause such damages.

LOL-you are giving the Russians WAY too much credit. Israels air force would probably decimate Russia's. Israel has some of the best, if not THE BEST, pilots in the world (and machinery). And unlike Russia, the Israeli's are battle tested and combat ready.

Oh i forgot, the Russians have fought the Georgians, Chechens and Afghanies in the last 30 years.

And as far as Russia having a sub behind every israelie sub, then Russia better watch to see who has a sub following them. =)

Originally posted by Sharrow
reply to post by princeofpeace

 

Trust me. If Israel goes to wild, the Russians will send them back to the stone age within moments. Maybe they're not going to use nukes. Maybe they're just going to send few squadrons of Backfires to level Tel Aviv and the other major cities. They have 161 Tu-22s. They're sending few escort jets and the Israelis don't have a chance at all.

So, the fact is: whatever the Israelis are planning, they're dead at the very moment as they start to attack. If the Israelis want to launch nukes, the Russians will take those nukes down as they have anti-nuke capability. So Russia is in safe from them.

reply to post by Udo Hohnekamp Lux.
Do you know what is the problem, and thanks to mentioned those countries. If Israel will start an attack the surrounding countries will also go against them, not just the Russians or the Chinese.

Israel is doomed. Accept that fact.

reply to post by princeofpeace
I just know few things about the Russians as they're our neighbors. And they're battle ready as always.

You're giving too much credit to the Israelis. They're nothing comparing to the Russians. It's just a myth, that they're the best. They're far-far away from that. If they would be the best, if they would be that superior, they would struck already in the last few years. But they're nothing. Even the Iranians can send them back to the stone age, but the Iranians are a peaceful nation and didn't even attacked any country in the last 100 years. We can't say this about Israel as they're primitive and aggressive. It's a race of barbarians.

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Originally posted by Sharrow
If Israel will start an attack the surrounding countries will also go against them, not just the Russians or the Chinese.

Israel is doomed. Accept that fact.

Those surrounding countries did NOTHING during the Gaza Poundage.

Israel commited acts of war against humanity
they killed doctors, stopped medical aid and food going to Gaza.
they intentionally targeted civilians, women and children and white flagers
they bombed businesses, hospitals etc..
they used white phosphorus against the geneva convention with zero accountability

Surrounding countries did nothing!
and by the way, that war on gaza was 100% financed by the US of A!

reply to post by ModernAcademia
Only a spark needs to turn the surrounding countries against them. If Israel will attack, Israel will be leveled to the ground one way or another. By the surroundings countries or the Russian / Chinese, it's really matter. The ending will be the same. There is no more possible outcome as someone will retaliate Iran one way or another, that's a guarantee. For me, it's really matter as Israel is not my country. Not my country will fall because of blind belief. Not my fellow citizens will die because of the Israeli lies.

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reply to post by Sharrow


That's insane
only a spark?

forget a spark, how about white phosphorus

they pounded Gaza
surrounding countries did nothing

if they didn't do anything when Gaza was pounded what makes you say they will do something if Iran is attacked?

reply to post by ModernAcademia
The "spark" was just a metaphor. That "spark" is Iran, where all the surrounding countries whose are supported by them. If Iran will be attacked by the hated Israel that will give the ignition. From that moment nothing will stop the war there and Israel will be leveled. Remember, unlike Israel, Iran is not alone. And not Iran is occupying lands, not Iran is attacked their neighbors and not Iran is the one who has nuclear bombs in the present. So if Israel is going to attack... my first statement will apply: bye-bye Israel.

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There are actually quite a few countries in the area that wouldnt mind seeing Iran attacked. Though publicly it might not be stated. We will know after the Sauds let israel use thier airspace. =)

reply to post by princeofpeace
As I said, I just stated some facts. For me it's really matter as not my country will be bombed back to the stone age within minutes.

One guaranteed way of knowing that Israel will not do "X" is when you read "Israel may do X" on ATS.

How would Russia, a country which couldn't defeat Afghanistan (who was in the stone age to start with) roll over a country like Israel?

I'm sure Russia could really destroy Israel but not without first taking causalities that I'm sure would be extremely costly. Something I doubt they are willing to sacrifice for Iran.

Winter

How many different threads have we had here suggesting that Israel is making preparations for an (insert month here) attack on Iran? And each time there is breathless discussion about the expected fallout of such an attack.

Look, Israel will not launch a pre-emptive strike on Iran. This isn't Saddam's Iraq, where an historical case can be made that they were more than willing to launch unprovoked attacks against an enemy. Iran's history is far different and it would be a disasterous decision by Israel to move militarily against them short of extreme and blatant provocation.

This is all so much public posturing as Iran works to ensure that whatever settlement they eventually reach in their nuclear game of chicken is as beneficial to them as possible.

And as for Russia, does anyone seriously believe they would launch a nuclear attack on Israel? Really? There is the fallout in neighboring countries issue raised by others as well as the guarantee that we would be compelled to defend our ally and attack Russia in kind.

Step away from the edge kiddies. Nothing to see here.

reply to post by Winterpain
In Afghanistan the Soviets fought, not the Russians. The two are quite different. The Soviets are followed the rules of communism. No education, it's really matter how many are going to loose, etc, etc... The Russians are following a quite different approach.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


First thing I did when I opened this thread was to check the posting date to see if it was a current thread, or one of the many just like it from last year and the year before and the year before ...

None of those predictions came true.

So, why should we worry or pay attention now?

Israel would stomp a mud-hole in Russia. I mean it would be a battle but one that Russia really wouldnt want to get into unless they absolutely had to.

Well it's obviously Russia would won in a blink of an eye. To the person that said they lost to the afghans, well yes they did, and so the americans right now, and also the british in the past. Just because it's a different type of war, it's like saying USA wouldnt be able to defeat north korea because they couldnt with Vietnam. You have to take on account various factors about war, such as the territory, frontiers, etc.

Afghanistan is a country full of mountains which neighbors were all pro-islamic against communism in the time of the invasion. While Israel is mainy composed of not so big mountains plus it's neighbors are all islamics than in one way or another would help Russia in the case the war was to take more than a day or two.

What you're not taking into consideration is the fact that probably Russia wouldnt attack israeli citizens due to the simple fact that many jews of Israel are of russian jew families which have moved in the last decades. There's a big bond therefore like to launch a nuke.