zionism is a lie : the myth of the exile

history of the jews revised by a jew historian from Tel Aviv University (Shlomo Sand)

Palestinian are the true and only descendants of the mythical kingdom of David.




www.haaretz.com...

that the official history of the jew started to be preached little more than one century ago would lead one to make scary hypothesis about the reasons behind this (and therefore holocaust).

zionism is based on a monstrous lie. like the rest...

EDIT: was sent by u2u this link to an article with too many things to quote, so you will have to click
Zionism: The Dead End of the Oppressor : dissidentvoice.org...

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That was unexpected but not surprising. It paves the way for some serious questions about other things.

Nice find S&F

It is interesting certainly, and thank you or sharing it. But you claim he is a Jew Historian, although he himself claims otherwise in the article itself.

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i claim he's a jew historian as to mean : he's Jew and he is Historian !

as to avoid the antisemite/negationnist bull# recurrent to any discussion about zionism (not all jews are zionist, not all zionists are jews)

edit: beside read his criticism about the way the History of judaism is separated from the "common" History in the israeli zionist academia.

why is that if i may ask ?

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He has a theory. It might be true and it might be false too. What is true is that you without at least reading his book (i do not even speak about books of his critiques) jump to conclusions based on newspaper article. Cool.
And his theory has one huge flaw - it is based on assumptions only. For example explaining relatively huge communities of Jews in Spain or Eastern Poland only as a result of converts is unfit for a historian , even one of "France and Europe". Before Muslim invasion to Spain there were numerous decrees by Visigoth kings concerning forced baptism of Jews. what Jews then? If they did not arrive yet at all according to professor Sand? And as for Poland - it is accepted by modern historians that Polish Jewish community expanded most drastically in the time of first crusade ,when Jews from Western Europe fled all the violence into Poland. Since Khazaria fell in late 900, explosion of Jewish population (all the sudden speaking German) 200 years later cannot be explained as this guy sees it.
But you know, if this theory rocks your boat without even reading it - i am ok with it. Just don't expect other people to blindly accept it.

Zionism did begin as you say in the OP




but the underlying theme of getting a homeland, was a long whispered idea among the disbursed/exiled 'Jews' for more than 1,000 years,
as we are led to believe.

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Mordecai, was a Benjamite yet he was called YEHUDA (Judean)
upon his refusal to bow to the idol(s) ~ or else it was Yehidi (unique) ~
[[such is the intentional double entendre, common in the Jewish culture/language]]

and yes, it is accepted by some, the Israelite tribes assimilated with the indigenious semites of the Palestine >Cannann>Kennites

some sources referenced (Midrash, Sohar), as i researched other things: www.yashanet.com...

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge

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well spot i didn't read his book.

i'm more into transmitting the info there and why not connecting points that fit together.

true, it is a theory however seemingly much better based than zionist theory, this one unfortunately not being perceived as theory but as fact.

a fact justifying occupation, discrimination & killing with the good blessing of the western world.

let's connect



so basically zionism was opposed by the local Jewish community... hmmm
think about that, why would they oppose them since it is about giving them back their land promised for millenia ? maybe they had no clue about what these "zionist" were talking about...

now jump second world war,
and maybe lenny brenner work :

fileshunt.com...


baltimore.indymedia.org...

tough one : so the anti-zionists were sent to the camps and the zionists not...
and so the true memory of the jewish people (along with the tzigane let's not forget them as the MSM do) was lost: what a nice and clear open path for zionist "truth"...

who wins WWII exactly ?

but that is only connecting points based on theories and interpretation of facts (those 51 docs are) you're right zeroknowledge. (let's keep on the good job making wars justified by heavy propaganda never questioned)


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What points? You connect the well-known fact that there were a lot of anti-Zionists in Jewish community before 1948 with theory that speaks about modern Jews being mostly converts and then this with another fact that certain Zionists dealt with Nazi officials. Wow. This gives us clear picture of what exactly? How could ethnic history be replaced if religious Jews for thousands of years read the same stories in synagogues and prayed every day "next year in re-built Jerusalem"? Zionism created myths, this is for sure. Heroic myths. In Judaism people who dies in Messada never were considered heroes. Zionism however adopted it as part of its ethos. There are similar cases of same magnitude. But nor you nor Professor Sand will find any Jewish ancient text speaking about abandoning Israel as a national home.Coming back is associated with Messaiah and not with some bunch of pro-socialistic secular people, but it exists and is part of daily life of religious Jew , if he is in Spain/Poland/US or Antarctica.
Here are few citations from ancient prayers that predate Zionism by loooooong time:

Rings a bell?


is said twice a year, in Yom Kippur and in Pesah. For thousands of years.
Every meal religious Jew prays:


So few questionable theories and connection of non-existing dots will not remove Jewish claim to Israel and Jerusalem.
This claim does not justify

but not Jewish side started spilling blood in current conflict and while you can safely state that Jewish side does more damage then the other - this is only because Israel is now stronger. If Palestinians would get upper hand - there would be much more blood spilled.

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i understand it is tough to consider, but you'll get over it, with time, and in time hopefully.