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What they cannot provide is a long form BC which is what I would like to see to settle the issue.
To verify we did indeed have the correct document, we contacted the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records.
"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo said June 13, 2008.
Fukino yesterday issued a statement saying that she and the registrar of vital statistics personally inspected Obama's birth certificate and found it to be valid.
Hawaiian Law §338-17.8 says:
Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child… [L 1982, c 182, §1]
The law cited preceding did not exist until its passage in 1982 (the “L 1982″) , 21 years after Barack Obama’s birth registration on August 8, 1961.
The short form BC proves nothing.
That's all you seem to have.
A Congressional Quarterly (CQ) politics monitored on BBC put the Kenyan born American ahead of his rival, Senator McCain.
1) We are not certain that his legal name is “Barack Hussein Obama”. In the election his supporters chided everyone for calling him by that name. They insisted it was “Barack Obama”. But an Indonesian reporter found his school registration in that country, and his name appears there as, “Barry Soetero.” A former U.S. Ambassador to the Vatican, who was one of his professors at Harvard University, remarked, “I knew him as ‘Barry’; the first time I heard “Barack”, was when he ran for the Presidency.”
Since no one is investigating, the presumption is that Obama does not object to the association of his SSN to all these addresses; hence he is tacitly admitting that his SSN was used with his permission at these 53 addresses.
The State of Hawaii will soon be forced to reveal the information it used to declare Barack Obama a Natural Born citizen. This will be very interesting, considering Obama’s Father was a British Citizen. therefore Barack Obama Jr is also a British Citizen, and was at birth by the very nature of his parentage.
Barack Obama, by legal definitions going back to the 1600’s is not, was not, and never has been a Natural Born Citizen. It does not matter where Barack Obama was born; he was a dual American/British/Kenyan citizen. He could have been born on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. itself, and it would not matter. The basic fact of Barack Obama’s parentage remains the same. A Dual Citizen cannot ever be a Natural Born Citizen.
There is an Usurper in the White House, and his name is Barack Obama. He and those who aided him in this usurpation, including the DNC are guilty of Treason to the United States. Every law that has been passed, every treaty signed, every order issued to the military has zero legal weight.
This leads to a singularly terrifying reality that must be dealt with. The United States does not have a constitutional government.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
The short form birth certificate is legally sufficient under Hawaii law and in most states. Infact, the majority of americans use their short form birth certificates as reference to proof of citizenship. I did so years back for my passport, I did so to renew my drivers licence, infact if anything I didnt know a "long form" existed until last here when this conspiracy came up.
Your essentially saying that the short form birth certificates, that the majority of americans have used as evidence of citizenship for years, "proves nothing". Thats what your essentially saying here.
[edit on 17-10-2009 by Southern Guardian]
§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.
(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.
(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health.
Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by ecoparity
I just showed you with links you can follow to check me on it. Check it out. WOW legitimate articles. Legitimate laws that you can verify and check yourself. OOHH Reality hurts!
Well if the short form isn't a forgery, and Hawaiian officials confirm that Obama was in fact born in Hawaii. Makes it kinda hard for anyone to say that he wasn't.
No, you didn't. You provided links to the same articles which address the allegations that the short form was a forgery.
In fact, that's all you've done for the last 3 pages is continue to go on and on about the short form being absolute proof and continue to ignore the actual question or issue being raised.
Thank you for typing slow, because it matters so much in the end after you hit the submit button.
Here I'll type slow so you can understand....
The short form does not settle the issue because of the policy in Hawaii of issuing them to Mothers who claimed to have given birth at home. This policy was changed at some point due to abuse.
I've read no claims that Obama was born at home so he should have a valid, long form certificate. I have yet to read a single valid excuse for why he refuses to provide that long form certificate which for me, at least would settle the question.
All the links to articles in the World about the short form do not address that question and no, claims by a few state officials in Hawaii do not give me any confidence. If you want to take their word for it because it supports your bias then please do so. I'd like to know what is on that form or missing from it that requires it to be sealed. The same goes for school transcripts and anything else Obama's attorney's managed to hide.
You on the other hand don't want to know and don't want anyone else to see it because it just might prove something about your pet politician.
Documents like these aren't hidden and news articles manipulated for no
reason, I'd like to know what that reason is and would feel the same about any President regardless of party affiliation.
You've made it extremely clear where your motivations lie and your credibility in that regard is non existent, IMO.
Case No. SACV09-0082 DOC (ANx) Date October 5, 2009
Title CAPTAIN PAMELA BARNETT, ET AL. V. BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, ET AL.
Present: The Honorable David O. Carter, U.S. District Judge
Motion for Summary Judgment Hearing December 7, 2009, at 8:30 a.m.
File Motion for Summary Judgment November 16, 2009
Opposition to Motion for Summary Judgment November 26, 2009
Reply to Motion for Summary Judgment November 30, 2009
Final Pretrial Conference January 11, 2010, at 8:30 a.m.
Jury Trial January 26, 2010, at 8:30 a.m.