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The Cause and Cure for Cancer

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posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 05:42 PM

I do that too. I ingest it in every way possible. I am an patient in Cali so it's legal for me. Still doesn't actually CURE cancer or make candida go away.

[edit on 15-10-2009 by nwodeath]

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 06:40 PM
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Alternative Medicine has been around for a lot longer, like infinity. Try the Bible it has many natural cures mentioned in it about this. Doctors were around in the days of Jesus. I think one of the disciples were one.

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 06:54 PM
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Actually it is claimed that topical thc application, not simply ingestion can heal skin cancer. Alot of testimonial and some study's regarding tumor growth are out there to find.

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 07:39 PM
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Alternative Medicine for Cancer (Part 5) cont
I've Cured Cancer using these Recipes & Alternative Medicine.

Vitamins and Supplements
Take these vitamins and supplements daily except Vitamin A, use 50,000 IU on weekdays, -(M-F).Vitamin A can be toxic if used in high doses for an extensive period time, like months or years. After 6 months you can lower the dose to 25,000 IU daily therafter, but may not be necessary, until your cured. Then use 10,000 IU daily thereafter. NOTE; The total amount of IU per day should be included in the total IU with the Multi Vitamin which you should take daily. Come as close as you can to the Daily Recommendations.
Niacin(non flush) 500 mg - (2,000 mg in devided doses.)
Vitamin C in divided doses 2,000mg - 10,000 mg. Minimum is 2,000 mg. Vitamin C is non toxic at any dose, but it can cause stomach upset, esp. if you have an ulcer, Ester C or Buffered C is recommended. Higher doses can cause diarreah. If you have loose stool lower your dose.
Carinitine, an amino acid, 1,000 mg - 4,000mg daily in 2 divided doses on empty stomach when you arise in the morning and at bedtime 2 hours after consuming food. (Example 1,000 -2,000 mg 2x's a day.)
N-Acetly-Cysteine, an amino acid, 1,000 mg- 2,000mg in 2 divided doses on empty stomach.
Taurine, an amino acid, 1,000 mg -3,000 mg in 2 divided doses on an empty stomach.
Magnesium, 400 mg. daily.
Selenium, 400 mcg. daily. You can take up to 800 mcg total daily, when you use a Muti Vitamin.
Bifidobacteria, 1 TBSP powered with meal.
Drink ESSIAC Tea. Order online at, I suggest the 1 lb Package, follow instructions.
Co Q10200 mg - 400 mg in divided doses.
Herb Astragalus. Pau d' arco, Dong Quai, Reishi, as directed.
Turmeric, Ginger Tea. Boil 8 oz of distilled water, add 1/4 teaspoon of both herbs, 2 x's daily.

If you can't get all the supplements listed right away, focus on Carinitine, N-Acetly-Cysteine and Taurine. These are powerful Amino Acid that have powerful anti cancer effects. Always check with your doctor first before using herbs or supplements because they may sometimes (rarely) interfer with other perscription drugs. These Amino Acids sometimes raise your blood pressure slightly temporarily. Check your blood pressure now and then.
Fresh Garlic (6 cloves), a day, has a powerful anti cancer effect.
Also so does Ginger and Turmeric.

Also when off fast put 1 TBSP of Flaxseed Oil in a 1/2 cup of Cottage Cheese.This has powerful anticancer properties when combined together. Eat Soybeans or Tofu with Garlic or garlic tablets or garlic powder daily, combined they are both powerful anti cancer fighters. Always take a 100 mg Kelp Tablet with Soy/Tofuproducts to balance hormones.

Foods that should be eaten daily, fresh Garlic, Red Onions, *Green Leafy Vegtables, ground Flaxseeds and Flaxseed Oil -(1 TBSP daily). These should be organic and without pesticides. Garlic can be taken in tablets also. *Suggestions for Green Leafy Vegetables - Spinach, Mustard Greens, Kale, Swish Chard, Parsley, Beet Greens, Red or Green Leaf Lettuce (not head lettuce, which has very little nutrition). Other Vegetables: Broccoli, Tomatoes, Brussels Sprout, Cauliflower, etc. For Stomach cancer eat Egg Plant, Tomatoes especially Tomato Sauce Products.

Everyday I laugh at the devil, you can too!

Alternative Medicine for Cancer (Part 6) cont

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:14 PM
You need to put a health warning on this thread!

Practicing medicine and giving medical advice without a license is a crime for a reason.

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:25 PM

Originally posted by Blaine91555
You need to put a health warning on this thread!

Practicing medicine and giving medical advice without a license is a crime for a reason.

The reason, being control over your pocketbook.

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:30 PM

Yep, urine for a surprise Dorothy, and no we're not in Kansas anymore.

Urine therapy can be a very effective healing modality. Sometimes when all else fails, urine therapy will turn a person around. We will be covering some of the reasons why this may be so, and in that regard will lightly touch on homeopathy and isopathy. Both of these concepts are often discussed by holistic practitioners. You will get a deeper understanding of isopathy as it is touched on here if you take the Rot & Rust Tour in one of the educational sections of this website.


Sometimes you may find, that as much as you try to eat right, to take the appropriate nutritional supplements, to exercise, to drink plenty of pure water - you still just don't get better or solve your particular health challenge. When you cannot find a practitioner in your sphere that is able to get to the core of what ails you, these are the times when you may need a little extra help. In that light I'd like to review homeopathy/isopathy and your body's own medicine.


In definition, homeopathy is: A therapeutic method, which clinically applies the Law of Similars and uses medically active substances at infinitesimal doses.

Ok, so lets say you get sick with the flu. By using the Law of Similars, you would give yourself an additional dose of some same or similar flu virus, and this would stimulate your immune system to go into battle. That's using the Law of Similars. However, in homeopathy, you never take the similar substance full strength. You take an infinitesimally smaller amount. Actually, it is so small as to be unmeasurable by physical scientific instruments.

To get to such a small level, the original substance goes through a dilution process. For example, suppose you were making a flu remedy. You would take, for instance, 99 drops of distilled water and add one drop of flu virus. You would vigorously shake that solution 50 to 100 times (homeopaths call this succussing). Then you would take a drop of that solution and add it to another 99 drops of water and shake again. Then take a drop of that solution and do it again, and again, and again, etc. By the time the homeopath is through with this process, any scientific laboratory could analyze the solution and all they would say is that the substance is just water. BUT, and this is a big but, the power of the remedy is in the vibrational imprint that has been stamped on the water itself by the original flu drop and through each successive generation. And this is where we get into quantum physics and subtle energy, areas where our physical sciences are not yet capable of going.

When the body is given a homeopathic remedy, it is stimulated into action, not because of the physical or chemical nature of the substance, but because of the energetic nature. The body receives new vibratory information and acts accordingly. Now to anyone trained in the physical sciences, this is not provable. But whether you believe this yourself or not is irrelevant, the fact is, homeopathics can be a very powerful healing resource when used correctly.


In the Rot & Rust educational tour in the microscopy section, we have a discussion about the colloids of life in the blood. These are hypothetical constructs which say if the terrain of the blood (i.e. the bloods pH balance, mineral balance etc.) gets shifted, the elemental forms, the colloidal particles known as the protits or somatids, will change their shape to adapt to the new environment. What they change into can be pathogenic (disease producing) to the body.


posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:31 PM
This is the biological aspect to the disease process in the body as espoused by some thinkers. When Professor Enderlein (ref. Rot & Rust) was doing all of his research in this area, he believed the developmental life cycle of an internal parasite to be real. He knew that disease was brought about by a shifted internal metabolic balance. To get well, you had to rebalance that metabolism. Understanding these concepts, in relation to also theorizing a totally biological nature of disease, he developed biological preparations to speed the healing process. Today these preparations are made primarily by companies most notably out of Germany.

As biological preparations, they work on a supposedly unique level. If microbes do indeed evolve in the blood to a pathogenic level, then to get well, you would want to de-evolve those same microorganisms back to a stage where they no longer present a problem.. The primary way to do this is through diet (i.e. rebalance pH). But in severe situations, you could accelerate the process biologically. This is where Enderlein's remedies would come into play. He theorized that if you have a microbe at one late developmental stage in the body that is causing problems, you could introduce the earlier stage of that same type of microbe and they would mate and become a lesser form. This is how his isopathic remedies work (iso meaning equal or same).

Enderlein's so-called protit was seen as a colloid of life--a progenitor to later stages of development if the pH of the blood gets thrown off. To de-evolve the later pathogenic stages, the re-introduction of new cultured young protits back into the blood, would see the pathogenic forms become lesser, apathogenic forms. This is the basis for Enderleins isopathic remedies. It claims to promote gentle and effective self healing through biological means.

Understanding these two concepts of homeopathy and isopathy, is going to lead to a further understanding of just what the power may be that is behind the effectiveness of the medicine your own body produces.

The Product of Your Own Metabolism

The first time I was exposed to the concept that the body makes its own medicine, it was through a friend who was introduced to it through an eastern Indian "guru" type of fellow. I thought it was interesting but a wacky kind of idea and I never thought about it again - until I came across a book. The book is entitled, "Your Own Perfect Medicine" by Martha Christy. She has an interesting story to tell.

Ms. Christy was sick. Very sick. For a very long time. Pelvic inflammatory disease, ulcerative colitis, Chron's disease, chronic fatigue syndrome, Hashimoto's disease, mononucleosis. She had severe kidney infections, two miscarriages, chronic cystitis, severe candida, endometriosis, adrenal insufficiency, serious chronic ear and sinus infections, food and chemical allergies. And that wasn't the half of it. She had every conceivable medical test, her share of surgery, and drugs - plenty of them. Then she tried all forms of alternative therapy. Homeopathy, herbs, mega-vitamins and liv-cell treatments in Mexico. After traditional medicine failed to work, she and her husband spent over $100,000 trying to get her well with alternative approaches. Nothing worked.

And then one day, her husband brought home a little book that told of how individuals had been cured of even the worst diseases with a seemingly strange and little-known natural therapy. Soon afterwards, she began the therapy herself. From the first day she began, she received almost instantaneous relief from her incurable constipation and fluid retention. Within a week, her severe abdominal and pelvic pain was gone.

The chronic cystitis and yeast infections (internal and external) soon disappeared and her food allergies, exhaustion, and digestive problems all began to heal.

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:31 PM
After a few more months, her colds, flu, sore throats and on again off again viral symptoms disappeared. Her hair which had fallen out by the handfuls after her fifth surgery became thick and lustrous. Her weight normalized, and her energy and strength came back. After nearly 30 years of non-stop illness, Martha Christy was whole again.

What was this therapy that she had discovered? What was this therapy that has helped seriously ill patients gain complete remissions from their afflictions? What was it that she actually did?

Well, here it is. She orally and medicinally re-consumed her own urine.

Whoa! Gag! She did what?

That's what I thought when I first heard about this. But I also absolutely needed to know more. What I discovered is that urine is not the substance we think it is. In her book, Martha Christy explains what urine is....

In Layman's Language

Urine is not, as many believe, the excess water from food and liquids that goes through the intestines and is ejected from the body as "waste". It is much different and much more. When you eat, the food you ingest is eventually broken down in the stomach and intestines into extremely small molecules. These molecules are absorbed into tiny tubules in the intestinal wall and then pass through these tubes into the blood stream.

The blood circulates throughout your body carrying these food molecules and other nutrients, along with critical immune defense and regulating elements such as red and white blood cells, antibodies, plasma, microscopic proteins, hormones, enzymes, etc., which are all manufactured at different locations in the body.

As the blood circulates, it passes through the liver where toxins are removed and later excreted from the body in the form of solid waste. Eventually, this now purified "cleaned" blood makes its way to the kidneys. When blood enters the kidneys it is filtered through an immensely complex and intricate system of minute tubules called nephron through which the blood is literally "squeezed" at high pressure. This filtering process removes excess amounts of water, salts and other elements in the blood that your body does not need at the time.

These excess elements are collected within the kidney in the form of a purified, sterile, watery solution called urine. Many of the constituents of this filtered watery solution, or urine, are then reabsorbed by the nephron and delivered back into the bloodstream. The remainder of the urine passes out of the kidneys into the bladder and is then excreted from the body.

The function of the kidneys is to keep the various elements in your blood balanced. When your body doesn't need something at a particular time, it is excreted - not because it is toxic or poisonous or bad for the body, but simply because the body does not need that particular element at the time.

Medical researchers have discovered that many of the elements of the blood that are found in urine have enormous medicinal value, and when reintroduced to the body, they boost the body's immune defenses and stimulate healing in a way that nothing else does.

A Nutrient Rich Powerhouse

In 1975, one of the founders of Miles Laboratories, Dr. A. H. Free, published his book Urinalysis in Clinical Laboratory Practice, in which he remarked that not only is urine a sterile body compound (purer than distilled water), but that it is now recognized that urine contains literally thousands of compounds. Among the urine constituents mentioned in Dr. Free's treatise is a list of nutrients that will knock your socks off. Here's just a few...

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:32 PM
Alanine, Arginine, Ascorbic acid, Allantoin, Amino acids, Bicarbonate, Biotin, Calcium, Creatinine, Cystine, DHEA, Dopamine, Epinephrine, Folic acid, Glucose, Glutamic acid, Glycine, Inositol, Iodine, Iron, Lysine, Magnesium, Manganese, Melatonin, Methionine, Nitrogen, Ornithane, Pantothenic acid, Phenylalaline, Phosphorus, Potassium, Proteins, Riboflavin, Tryptophan, Tyrosine, Urea, Vitamin B6, Vitamin B12, Zinc/

Stories have been told of individuals who have both lived and died by being trapped in places without food and water for days. Those that survived did so because they drank their own urine, those that perished did not. The ones that died probably could not overcome the mis-informed thoughts that urine is a waste product of the body. It's not. It's just a substance the body secretes that contains elements not needed at the time.

Despite what you may have been led to believe about urine, pharmaceutical companies have grossed billions of dollars from the sale of drugs made from urine constituents. Research is happening every day in labs attempting to isolate specific elements of urine so they can create new drugs and patent the substances. For instance, Pergonal is a fertility drug made from human urine. 1992 sales of this drug were reported at $855 million while it costs a patient $1400 a month to consume. Urokinase, a urine ingredient, is used in drug form and sold as a miracle blood clot dissolver for unblocking coronary arteries. Urea, medically proven to be one of the best moisturizers in the world, is packaged in expensive creams and lotions. Take the M out of Murine eye drops and what do you have? Yep. It's made from carbamide - another name for synthetic urea.

A Powerful Healer

To get some understanding of how urine can be such a powerful healing substance in and of itself, let's take a look at how urine therapy has been known to completely eliminate allergies.

We read where researchers have discovered that allergic responses are caused by "renegade" white blood cells that inappropriately attack substances even when they may be no threat to the body. So it is the activity of these renegade white blood cells, called antigen receptors, that needs to be corrected in order to cure the allergy.

In 1982, studies published by Dr. William Linscott (in Basic and Clinical Immunology) showed that when these antigen receptors (or renegade white blood cells) are reintroduced into the body, the body actually developed antibodies to these antigen receptors, and the antibodies then stopped the allergic response.

Realizing that the urine of allergic individuals contains the allergy causing antigen receptors, researchers thought that to re-introduce the urine back to the allergic individual would mean antibodies would be produced which would then stop the allergic response. And that is exactly what happens. Allergies have been completely turned around with urine therapy.

Using urine in this way to cure the allergy, is one form of isopathic treatment. You're using the same substance that is causing the allergy, to be reintroduced to the body to have the body manufacture its own antibody to it. If you grasp this point, you may be able to see the ability of this therapy to be used in just about any illness the body may experience.

More Electrons for Your Body

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:32 PM
Most of the time when a measurement of any given urine sample's oxidation and reduction reading (the ORP value) is taken, it often shows the urine in a reduced state. Chemically this means that there are more electrons (the charge is reduced in the negative direction). We like to say that the flow of life moves on the flow of electrons. If there are a lot of electrons in the urine, then where are they coming from? Yep, from you. So if your papa ever said, child, you're pissing your life away--might there be more to that statement then meets the ears? Free electrons can be given to free radicals to fight oxidation so perhaps urine therapy also works along these lines. Something to think about. Or maybe it is just that things are better the second time around - they've already been processed somewhat once.

Concepts From the Isopathic Thinkers

To take this isopathic idea a bit further, let's come back to the theories of Guenther Enderlein and his biological perspective. As you'll recall, Enderlein developed remedies that were based on his observations that how we get sick is a function of the blood pH getting thrown off causing microbes in the blood to grow into pathogenicity. His biological remedies involved re-introducing the small colloids of life, or the protits, back into the body to mate with the pathogenic forms so they would de-evolve back into a non-pathogenic state. Mmm….

Now let's take this idea in relation to urine therapy and expand it to meet this biological framework. Urine therapy has been able to cure seemingly incurable disease states. Why is that? Well here's an idea. The colloids in your blood that are the protits/somatids, are very small particles. In fact they are so small as to be unfilterable by something like the kidneys. Though researchers haven't been looking, perhaps one of the invisible constituents of urine are these colloid particles that naturally just get passed through the kidneys out of the blood. When one consumes their own urine through the process of urine therapy, they are receiving a dose of these pure colloids. These biologically proceed to support the immune function, and possibly lead to taking the pathogenic microbes in the blood back down to apathogenic states. In this way, urine truly becomes the body's own perfect medicine. Now Enderlein's theories have never been proven using modern scientific procedures to verify his ideas, and at some levels has been completely dis-proven, but nevertheless people still believe them. Maybe the power of belief in this instance overcomes what factually may not be real.

Open Minds Can Open Doors

Don't take this therapy lightly. Multiple sclerosis, colitis, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, cancer, hepatitis, hyperactivity, pancreatic insufficiency, psoriasis, eczema, diabetes, herpes, mononucleosis, adrenal failure, allergies and so many other ailments have been said to be relieved through use of this therapy. After you overcome your initial gag response (I know I had one), you may realize that there might just be something to this and if you are searching for health, this is an area to investigate. There are numerous reports and double blind studies which go back to the turn of the century supporting the efficacy of using urine for health.

The recurring points to all of the medical research done to date on urine indicates that it is completely sterile. If it becomes contaminated it happens after it leaves the body. Urine is a by-product of blood filtration, not waste filtration.

Urine contains compounds that are very specific to the individual from which it comes. It is antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral, antineoplastic (anticancer), anticonvulsive, and antispasmodic. It is totally non-toxic.

With research that could fill volumes, you may be wondering why you haven't heard of this before. Well, urine is abundant (everyone has their own supply), it's free, and it can't be patented. Reasons enough?

How to Do It

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:33 PM
Very briefly, here are two main ways that are suggested to do urine therapy. This is in no way a complete discussion of how to use the therapy, but simply an introduction.

1) Use your own urine in a homeopathic fashion.

First, collect midstream urine in a clean cup or container. This should be a clean catch, meaning the genital area (important for women in particular) has been cleaned beforehand. To 1/6 ounce of distilled water in a sterile bottle, add one drop of fresh urine. Cap and shake 50 times. Take one drop of this mix and add to another 1/6 ounce of distilled water and shake 50 times. Take one drop of this mix and add to 1/6 oz. of 80 to 90 proof vodka which acts as a preservative.

Place three drops under the tongue hourly until there is obvious improvement or temporary exacerbation of symptoms. As improvement progresses, lengthen the interval between treatments. After 3 days, suspend treatment to avoid pushing the immune system. Treatment is resumed if progress remains static or relapse occurs.

2) Begin with oral drops then increase dosage as needed.

Use fresh urine drops direct. For some cases, sub-lingual drops work well.
(Should always use fresh urine immediately upon collection. You should not boil or dilute the urine in any way. You must use it in its natural form)

Start by taking 1-5 drops of morning urine on the first day. On the second day, take 5-10 drops in the morning. On the third day, take 5-10 drops in the morning, and the same amount in the evening before you go to bed.

Once you feel accustomed to the therapy, gradually increase the amount as needed for obtaining results for your condition. As you use the therapy, you will learn to adjust the amount you need by observing your reactions to the therapy. It may be that you'll work up to actually drinking an ounce or two at a time.

Note: We do not answer any questions about urine therapy. This is only here for informational purposes. For answers to any questions you may have, get the book entitled, "Your Own Perfect Medicine" by Martha Christy.

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:38 PM

What happens when you consume your own urine?

The small amount of toxins that are found in urine are not abundant enough to be toxic to the body. When you drink your own urine, it does not go directly to the blood stream. First it goes into the digestive system where its ingredients are sorted out. Then, the useful ingredients are recycled while the toxins are rejected. When the level of toxins becomes too high, the toxins stimulate the intestines into flushing themselves out to eliminate any stagnated excrements accumulated in the colon. Although we could probably filter out the toxins before drinking the urine, the toxins are needed because they stimulate a cleansing reaction in the body. Urine, which remember, is a byproduct of our blood, becomes more purified the more it is recycled. Thus, the cleaner the blood is, the cleaner the urine is, and vice-versa. And this is how urine therapy advocates conclude that urine therapy has a cleansing effect on the blood.

A closer look at the details:

The toxins of urine are also necessary to vaccinate and protect the body from future illnesses. The main theory behind urine therapy after all, isn�t that it straight out cures diseases, but instead, it is geared more towards building immunity to diseases, much like vaccinations. The small amounts of possibly toxic substances which can be found in urine largely seem to have a positive effect on the immune system. An important task of the immune system is to rid the human body of diseased or unusable substances that have developed during the course of an illness, and when these substances reach healthy tissue, the blood becomes stronger, the activity of leukocytes (white blood cells) increases, and the patient probably recovers. This phenomenon is known as auto-inoculation or self-vaccination and can be seen as mother nature's method of healing an illness without external intervention. Urine therapy, therefore, can be seen as a form of self-vaccination: certain bodily substances which have been removed from the body, some of which may have been produced as a result of illness, are re-introduced into the body in small amounts. These substances are re-absorbed into the blood through either the intestines or the skin, and the immune system is then given the chance to react appropriately.

Urine, enzymes and heart diseases:

One of the useful components that urine contains are enzymes. Urine contains many enzymes, one of which is called Urokinase. While doing research on this enzyme, scientist found that Urokinase causes vasodilatation and resembles nitroglycerine in its ability to strengthen the bloodstream from the coronary artery to the cardiac muscle. Today, Urokinase is used in drug form and sold as a miracle blood clot dissolver for unblocking coronary arteries. The existence of enzymes such as Urokinase in urine, might explain why urine therapy is said to be effective against arteriosclerosis, heart attack, pulmonary embolism, etc..


posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:39 PM
Urine, urea and liver cancer:

Another important ingredient that urine contains is urea. Scientists estimate that 25% of the urea in an adult finds its way into the intestines, where it is decomposed into ammonia by intestinal bacteria. Some of this ammonia ends up in the liver, where part of it is converted into urea, and another part is converted into glutamine, an extremely useful amino acid. Because of its healing effect on ulcers and wounds in the intestinal canal, glutamine is essential in the maintenance and construction of specialized tissue, such as in the brain, the small intestine and in the growth and activity of the mucous membrane of the intestinal canal. The most important function of glutamine, though, is its ability to strengthen the immune system, and could be an important key in explaining why urine therapy is such a successful method of treatment. Another noteworthy application of urea can be found in the treatment of cancer by Professor Evangelos Danopoulos, who used urea in treating breast cancer, liver cancer, and several other kinds of cancer. Danopoulos noticed that the urea seemed to disrupt the ability of cancer cells to group together and apparently killed the cells by upsetting some of their normal metabolic activities. He experimented with injecting urea mixed with a saline solution in and around skin cancer and as a treatment for breast cancer. He conducted research on drinking urea dissolved in water in order to fight liver cancer, and reported positive results. In 1969, Danopoulos did a study on oral urea treatment in treating liver cancer. He gave 2-2.5 grams of pure synthetic urea to 18 patients with liver cancer, four to six times daily in capsules, syrup, or as powder. Out of those patients, eight had primary carcinoma and ten had tumors with liver metastases. In the primary-cancer group, two patients were alive after 57 and 36 months. In four patients, death seemed to be related to an interruption of urea treatment where they reportedly stopped their treatment after feeling better. And two patients died of apparently detached illnesses. The average survival period with the urea treatment was 26.5 months, five times greater than any previous reports, without or without the urea treatment.

In the metastatic group, the efficiency of urea treatment could not be judged by survival since the tumor tissue outside of the liver was more than likely not affected. While being on the urea treatment, all of the patients had a reduction of their liver enlargement. Six patients were still alive at the end of the study. Two patients who had liver metastases from breast and colon, were healthy at 19 and 13 months, respectively. One patient was in good condition after 17 months, and the other patient, who had a general disseminated disease and a moderate liver enlargement, was in fair condition at 40 months. After his study, Danopoulos concluded that the results justified formal trial of urea in primary liver cancer and also in metastatic cancer, since the results indicated a regression of liver cancer with oral urea treatment (Danopoulos ED. et al., 1974). Professor Danopoulos also began combining urea with creatine hydrate, another component of urine, and in this way, reportedly treated other kinds of cancers successfully.

So what can we conclude? ?

Although few people realize it, pharmaceutical companies have grossed billions of dollars from sales of drugs made from urine constituents. Today, research is happening nonstop in labs attempting to isolate specific elements of urine I order to make new drugs and new discoveries. Pergonal for instance, is a fertility drug that grossed $855 million in sales in 1992 ( Elements like Urokinase and urea, which have become gods to the medical and cosmetic world, respectively, have started to make the marketing and medical population view man�s bodily fluids a little differently. Obviously, urine has some valuable components, but does that make urine therapy a valuable alternative medicine?

Not necessarily. One must be critical of the various intriguing claims made by urine therapy advocates on the world wide web. Why? Because very little intense, authentic medical information and research exist. Sure there are many people who have come forward with miraculous stories of having been healed using urine medically and in survival situations. There is the 1990 story of the four Sri Lankan commandos who had drifted in a boat for over a 1000 miles to Thailand after they had been ambushed at sea, and had survived by catching turtles and drinking urine. There is the story of the male cook in the Philippines who survived 14 days under the ruins of a collapsed hotel by drinking his own urine ( There is the story of the 92-year-old grandmother who is cured of gangrene, and the young man who is cured of tuberculosis� but that�s all the advocates have to offer for evidence of the efficacy of urine therapy� stories. Unless this information is being held back to the public for some reason, there is no hardcore scientific and medical evidence. Of course, the efficiency of urine therapy is difficult to study because most people would probably not want to participate in such a study, which leaves the world to continue to wonder, "Just how plausible are those claims?"

One thing that we must learn is that urine is not in fact "useless" and "an offensive waste product." We should lose our foul prejudices about urine� but to go as far as swearing that urine is the Savior of all medicine, is as deranged as saying those (in)famous two words�� "Got urine?"

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:47 PM

Marquez practices 'urine therapy,' Pacquiao has anting anting

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:49 PM

Ancient healing tradition or pure old-fashioned quackery? You decide.

His name was Pablo Falcon, a Native American healer living in New Mexico. He was on a show called Human Urine-Elixir for Good Health? airing on the National Geographic Channel, showcasing an ancient healing tradition: the practice of drinking one’s own urine.

Yes, he drank his own urine; a cup a day, usually in the morning, catching the first stream in mid discharge.

He drank it straight, like a shot of whiskey, but sometimes sipped it like a hot toddy on a cold moonless night. It was Pablo Falcon’s preventative medicine-urine therapy, or uropathy.

I was young. That’s disgusting, I thought. Years later, I re-discovered Pablo’s delinquency, but until then I remained ignorant of my body’s golden elixir as though it was an enigma, hidden from the alchemy of health within a toxic world.

To others it’s tradition, but among a modernizing world tradition is perceived as primitive.

At The Mercy Of Sickness

Out in the world, I forgot about Pablo. I forgot about the ways of the warrior, the ways of the body, and its own powerful remedies.

I forgot about these things because I was falling apart. I was in India, and my body was aching, my head spinning, my nose divulging a sinewy greenness, my intestines constricting, my sphincter bleeding.

But I did not forget about Gandhi.

I was participating in the 75th anniversary of Mohandas K. Gandhi’s Salt March, and here I was falling apart, literally bleeding out of multiple orifices.

And what could I do? Whine? Complain? Go to a hospital because I wasn’t feeling well? The Peace Walk wasn’t about me, or about any of the other walkers from nine different nations. The Peace Walk was for those of India, and a universal Peace for Mother Earth and Her inhabitants.

A young Japanese living in Nepal came up to me. He was Morita and he saw through to my pain. The man I hardly knew handed me a plastic cup as we took lunch. “Take this,” he said in a hush. Around us others slept. “Go pee, and drink as much of it as you can.”

I was stunned. I had forgotten Pablo Falcon. I had forgotten my own body and its power. At that time, I was only cursing it. “What?”

“You want to get better?” Morita asked.
I nodded.

“Then pee and drink.”

The First World Conference

In 1996, a group of urine therapists put on the First World Conference of Urine Therapy.

Held in India, the conference on the art of drinking urine brought together doctors, scientists, practitioners and believers into one room to exalt the benefits, seek out the contradictions, and bring awareness, drive and inspiration to a deepened scientific study of this clandestine cure.

They read testimonials of miraculous recoveries. They reviewed the studies of urine and its components. They compared their own experiences, treatments and applications. They found no contradictions.

Found in the ancient Vedic culture of Hinduism, urine therapy holds another name, Shivambu Kalpa Vidhi, or The Waters of Shiva. In the five thousand year-old Damar Tantra text, the writings recall Shiva as he unleashes his secrets of a healthy mind, body and soul to his wife, Parvati.

The text, or sutra, is one of the oldest known documents on healing, one that directly encompasses one’s own body-the ailment and the cure as one. It claims no association with external remedies, but solely describes the power and wisdom of the body under healthy eating habits.

It was Mahatma Gandhi who spoke:

The human body is the best portrayal of the universe in miniature. Whatever does not exist in the human body cannot be found in the universe, and whatever exists in the universe can be found in the human body.

Not only does the Vedic culture find complete truth within one’s own being, but ancient medical scriptures of the Egyptians, Chinese, Aztecs and Christians hint at this secret. In Proverbs 5:15 of the Old Testament, it is He who lets it be known: Drink water from thy own cistern, and the streams of thy own well.

The Workings Of The Body

What comes to mind is s**t and p**s, two ways of excreting toxins from the body.

The former-yes.
The latter-no.

When it comes to the process of making urine, there is one large misunderstood nomenclature: Urine is dirty. It picks up all your body’s dirty liquids and whizzes them into a smelly bowl. It’s crap. But what you forgot about is this baroque process.

We eat. We drink. We ingest and we digest. Solid matter is sent into the stomach, churned, macerated and spit out from the intestinal tracks after absorbing the good, the bad and the ugly. With liquids, most, if not all, are absorbed into the bloodstream.

From there they flow around, swimming like Chinese fighting fish. Through the limbs, the core, from the spine into the skull, within the tongue and around-the substances of our blood are everywhere before entering its first cleansing phase. This would be the liver.

With health, all things operate accordingly; on time, in rhythm. As the blood enters the liver it becomes the stone within the refinery. The liver is the detoxifier of our blood, removing poisonous products, secreting them or storing waste in the gall bladder, which ends up as bile.

From here, the blood flows to the kidneys. Coen van der Kroon, in his urine therapy guide Golden Fountain, describes how “they remove all superfluous vital substances from the blood, and filter out a surplus of water.”

These leftovers are the diamonds emerging from the refinement. They are the matter that form urine-simply the leftovers from the body’s water and nutrients. And a healthy diet is key.

A Cure For Life’s Ills?

Despite varying ranges of lifestyles, urine at best is an elixir; it is the water of life.

In J.W. Armstrong’s The Water of Life, homeopath and naturopath Ellis Barker quotes that “our body distills the most wonderful medicines and provides the most perfect serums and antibodies.” In fact, the list of vitamins, minerals, enzymes, amino acids and hormones runs long.

One of these powerful byproducts is urea; an organic compound of carbamide containing carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and hydrogen.

With this knowledge, pharmaceuticals have discreetly capitalized on urine’s power, incorporating urine in anti-cancer prescriptions as well as blood-clot dissolvers, ointments, hand creams, lotions and soaps.

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:58 PM
It's interesting that you left this bit out from the BiomedX text you posted, newodeath. From your own link:

The information provided on this site is purely for informational and research purposes and is not intended as a substitute for advice from your physician or other health care professional nor is any information contained on or in any product label, packaging, book, pamphlet, pdf file or other site resource or product of Biomedx. No information on this site, nor use of any product shown on this site, is intended for the diagnosis or treatment of any health problem, for health assessment, for prescription of any medication, or for any other health treatment. You should consult with a healthcare professional before starting any diet, exercise or supplementation program, before taking any medication, or if you have or suspect you might have a health problem. You should not stop taking any medication without first consulting your physician.

Additionally, the second link you posted is an undergraduate paper posted by a professor from Vanderbilt. It contains no citations, and even makes a point of admitting that urine therapy has no backing, no proof, and is not a safe alternative to modern medicine:

One must be critical of the various intriguing claims made by urine therapy advocates on the world wide web. Why? Because very little intense, authentic medical information and research exist. Sure there are many people who have come forward with miraculous stories of having been healed using urine medically and in survival situations. There is the 1990 story of the four Sri Lankan commandos who had drifted in a boat for over a 1000 miles to Thailand after they had been ambushed at sea, and had survived by catching turtles and drinking urine. There is the story of the male cook in the Philippines who survived 14 days under the ruins of a collapsed hotel by drinking his own urine ( There is the story of the 92-year-old grandmother who is cured of gangrene, and the young man who is cured of tuberculosis� but that�s all the advocates have to offer for evidence of the efficacy of urine therapy: stories.

Additionally, the site has this disclaimer:

**NOTE** : Nothing stated here should be considered as medical advice for dealing with a given problem. You should consult your health care professional for individual guidance for specific health problems. This page is simply a collection of information in the public domain, and presented strictly for informational and educational use only. No claims whatsoever can be made as to the specific benefits accruing from the use of urine therapy. Anyone with knowledge of additional information on urine therapy is highly encouraged to e-mail that information so that it can be shared with others who may be interested.

You have yet to produce a single piece of evidence showing ANY data, observed results or references. All I've seen are anecdotes. If you can produce ONE piece of data, I will give it my utmost attention, I promise. Until then, however, I see no reason to consider urine therapy as an alternative treatment. As I said before, I could just as easily make a website that claims drinking apple juice upside down cures HIV. If there was a website for it, would you believe that, too?

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:59 PM
If all of this is true and cancer really is a fungus. The question now is why, isn't it all over msm and going viral?

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 11:01 PM

Originally posted by nwodeath

Marquez practices 'urine therapy,' Pacquiao has anting anting

Again, these links provide nothing but anecdotes. The only thing even resembling data was a table showing "length of treatment" and "percent cured" on the site. It provides no data on how the study group was diagnosed, if they were taking other medications along with the urine therapy, if they had other health issues, etc.

Also...the Examiner? Really? You used the Examiner?

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 11:03 PM
reply to post by VneZonyDostupa

It's too bad for you, all these posts have time signatures.
Obviously, for anyone who cares to look, it took you less time to read my whole posts than it did for me to post them.

Blown cover Dr. Blunder,

Your pants are down, your exposed and your whole charade is obvious.

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