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Originally posted by Solomons
reply to post by john124
Ok...so Obama is a pansy in your eyes.Does that negate the fact that America still has thousands of nuclear weapons and a first strike policy? Your president could be friggin winnie the pooh and any country would still be quaking in their little boots regarding America's military capabilities.
Originally posted by john124
reply to post by Amagnon
The strawman argument was the accusation of "warmongering" on the basis that I called Obama weak.
I was referring to your general approach to the deployment of the US military - not necessarily on this particular thread - and how you perceive it has the right to do whatever it likes regardless of other nations peaceful intent or national sovereignty.
Its an observation - not an argument.
Originally posted by chiron613
Obama is out mending fences, trying to undo the damage Bush caused. He's not giving away the store. We've all still got plenty of nukes to eradicate the human race if we want to, so don't worry.
Originally posted by chiron613
Without that, if you're getting steamed, you have no assurance that Russia won't just up and decide to sucker punch you before you see it coming. Knowing that, you're much more likely to ty to sucker punch them first.
Originally posted by infolurker
reply to post by Amagnon
Americans have always been "the human defense shields" of our allies in which we have bases thus making it almost impossible to invade without killing us first (which would cause an outcry with the American population and lead to war with the U.S.) This is what we did in Europe and Asia during the cold war. The North Koreans could not invade South Korea without killing thousands of American defenders. Of course the North Koreans could have broken through our small defense force but at what cost? Yeah.. .their destruction. Same in Germany (Fulda Gap anyone).
The problem is we "payed" our allies rent to be "human shields". We cannot afford that anymore but the concept does work. I think it is time to get paid to be human shields and to provide that US umbrella for them if they want it. We cannot afford to pull almost all of the weight any longer. If they don't want us there we have plenty of places to redeploy our troops on the US southern border.
[edit on 14-10-2009 by infolurker]
U.S. Military Ends Role in Philippines; After 94 Years, Navy Leaves With Parade, Tears, Questions
The United States today formally handed over to the Philippines its last military base in Southeast Asia, lowering the American flag over an airfield attached to Subic Bay Naval Station.
The emotional ceremony, ending 94 years of American military presence in the Philippines, closed a base that U.S. Ambassador Richard Solomon hailed as "a vital link in the defense of freedom" in the world over the decades.
President Fidel Ramos, after witnessing the raising of a huge Philippine flag at the site, called for a review of the two countries' Mutual Defense Treaty "in the context of the post-Cold War era." He said U.S. ship visits and joint military exercises would continue under a 1951 treaty.
Originally posted by infolurker
reply to post by Amagnon
Well, what nation / government over the last 20 years has "asked / requested" Americans to leave?
France? We left. (Well, long over 20 years ago)
The Philipines did and we left.
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U.S. Military Ends Role in Philippines; After 94 Years, Navy Leaves With Parade, Tears, Questions
The United States today formally handed over to the Philippines its last military base in Southeast Asia, lowering the American flag over an airfield attached to Subic Bay Naval Station.
The emotional ceremony, ending 94 years of American military presence in the Philippines, closed a base that U.S. Ambassador Richard Solomon hailed as "a vital link in the defense of freedom" in the world over the decades.
President Fidel Ramos, after witnessing the raising of a huge Philippine flag at the site, called for a review of the two countries' Mutual Defense Treaty "in the context of the post-Cold War era." He said U.S. ship visits and joint military exercises would continue under a 1951 treaty.
Now Subic Bay was a HUGE strategic US base.
Seriously, what U.S. Ally has requested the U.S. to leave and the U.S. has not? Serious question.
[edit on 14-10-2009 by infolurker]