Is it wrong to feel pleasure when friends lose their jobs ?, page 1
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Topic started on 14-10-2009 @ 02:43 PM by Ulala
Not your nice friends, obviously ; the not so nice ones. And we've all got them.

My friend and his Wife are both bank managers ... or were. Both were paid off this week. For the last twenty years I've suffered the pair of them, family connections mean I've just had to put up with them. They've lived the most excessive lifestyle for most of that, a vastly expensive house, new cars every year, luxury holidays ... she drips in gold, he's never off the golf course. Their children have been spoiled rotten with every consumer gizmo known to man, heck they've got four PS3's in one house, flatscreen TV's in every room. Unbelievable stuff. And he's a genuinely nasty piece of work too ... he thinks flash cash can get him anything he wants, he treats people like sh*t because he's got money ... and he gets away with it too.

I work in the public sector for what is, to me, an absolute pittance ... little more than I could receive on social security, which is quite amusing considering it's social security I actually work for. But I love my job, really enjoy helping people, always have.

So he's phones me today ... how are they going to pay their mortgage (£525,000) and car loans ? How are they going to pay their school fees ? How to pay their credit cards and all the rest .... ??

So I tells him straight ... it's £64.30 (USD $100 ?) per week for each of them ... and that's it. And you could hear the penny drop as it finally clicks into his head that social security isn't going to make even the slightest dent in his parlous finances.

And he went mad at me. "How the h*ll are we expected to live on that, we've paid into the system for years and that's all we get ???"

And you know what ? I couldn't care less about him. Really couldn't. He's had it all while I've had to scrimp and save for the last twenty years. And I can't understand why I'm feeling like this either, I'm normally the first to help folks out or be a shoulder to cry on. They're going to lose everything ... and I really couldn't give a toss for the pair of them.

Should I feel guilty about their unemployment ? Help them out ? Or continue to enjoy this little period of schadenfreude I'm going through ? What about the other people in the same boat as them ?

Dunno. I'm just can't sympathise with them at all. Hee hee


reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 03:01 PM by StinkyFeet
reply to post by Ulala



Welll I don't think you are wrong for feeling that way for a bit. You are just human and we all have our darkside. However, it should give you a chance to examine why you have been jealous of these people for years and years for no good reason. You were doing what you liked and they were doing what they liked. Look at this as a good experience to learn more about your own character and ways to improve it.

[edit on 14-10-2009 by StinkyFeet]


reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 03:03 PM by mikerussellus
reply to post by Ulala



Naw, feel sorry for their kids, maybe. They were raised like that. Bad on mum and dad.

having some humility in life may be a good thing. Teach them all some values that are more important than money.


reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 03:17 PM by StinkyFeet
reply to post by Ulala



So I guess it would be ok with you if they were happy to see you and your wife get a divorce and watch your family implode, because they were jealous of you and your wifes marriage?

I always thought this site was full of peope that are jealous of people that have more than them, and this whole thread just confirms my suspicions.

[edit on 14-10-2009 by StinkyFeet]


reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 03:18 PM by TheRedneck
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I'd say what you're feeling is normal. What is commendable is that even while succumbing to the same human emotions we all have, you still wonder if it's 'right'. Star for that, and a flag because this will be facing many more people as time continues.

I have actually seen a similar situation in my own life. My boss (technically crew leader; she can't fire me, but she could complain to the real boss) is one of those people who loves to give their employees a hard time. Many days I have come home exhausted and frustrated, because despite my attempts to work as hard as possible, my production was low because she gave me the hardest and slowest parts of the job to do. She of course took the fastest and easiest.

She and her husband both work for this company, giving them two incomes. I have but one income, as my wife has some health problems that prevent her from holding down a job. She makes crew leader wages; both have a base pay higher than me. She sets the schedule and they each get more hours per week than I do. They have four young children (oldest is 12, I think), while I have two, ages 15 (in tech school) and 18 (in college). I can only wish I had the income they do.

Every day, after work, they have me to stop so they can eat out. $20 is not an uncommon tab for the two of them at a fast food joint. I rarely eat until I get home, and when I do, it's either a tin of sardines during a break, or maybe a $1 burger to tide me over.

Last week, I got a phone call from him. He was out of gas. Completely. He was out of money. Completely. He couldn't afford to come to work. So what did I do? I put gas in his car.

The whole time I was thinking back to the times when she would threaten my hours in one way or another, and the lavish eating out while I waited, and the other extravagances they indulged in. They didn't really deserve my help, IMO. They make more than I do, and threaten the pittance I make? They make my performance suffer so theirs stays high? They eat hearty while I wait? And now they need me?

And yet, I gassed up their car.

I'm not really sure why. Perhaps it's that I know they can't survive the way I do. Perhaps I know they aren't as strong. Maybe I'm just soft-hearted. Or maybe I understand somehow, subconsciously, that it's not my place to judge them; the economy will do that.

I still feel sorry for them. After all, this job is all they really know. For me, it's just a job to keep me out of a truck while I take care of some things at home. For them, financial collapse is inevitable; for me, survival is inevitable.

Nah, don't feel pleasure. Feel sympathy. You are stronger than they are. Weakness is nothing to be happy about.

TheRedneck

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 03:19 PM by Nicademus
I don't blame you one bit. Sounds like they deserve everything they get. I was a lot like them in some respects. I used to make a crap-load of money, but the oilfield shut down and i haven't made a dime in about 12 months. The big difference is i bought everything i own with cash. I have zero debt and i saved as much as i could, more because i didn't wanna work for the rest of my life then I'm a "thrifty" person. I have flat-screens in every room, we all have our own favorite gaming consoles, computers, i-pods, 7 cars 2 boats,and an RV. 2 houses etc. So ya, i spent alot of money on semi-useless crap. So in that respect I am a lot like your friends. They sound like they have a lot of debt. I have none. That is why i am still doing just fine. Thanks to my fairly substantial savings. Actually better than fine. I am probably the happiest i have ever been in my life. I had to sacrifice a lot of things to make that kind of cash, the most important one was my family. I spent roughly 20-30 days home a year. The rest of the time i was away working. I missed the first 3-6 years of my kid's lives. But now i get to spend as much time with them as i want. I consider myself far richer today then i was a year ago. Hopefully this will happen to your friends as well. I would try and concentrate on that positive in your dealings with your friends.

To give a solid answer to your question though. NO it is natural to feel good when someone gets what they (in your opinion) had coming. Karma is a bitch. You could maybe help the in there transition to the real world. If they sell all there crap they might be able to get out of enough of there debt to keep there heads above water and reconnect with each other.
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