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Former US Air Force fighter pilot Milton Torres is convinced he had an encounter with an alien spaceship in the skies over England in the 1950s. He was warned to keep quiet about the incident, but eventually talked about it 31 years later, the newly-released Ministry of Defence files show. On the night of May 20 1957, Dr Torres, then aged 25, was on standby at RAF Manston in Kent when he received an urgent order to scramble. He was told to intercept a UFO with "very unusual flight patterns" over East Anglia that ground radar operators had been tracking for some time. It was so cloudy he could not see anything, but the object showed up clearly on his radar as similar in size to a B-52 bomber. He was then ordered to fire a full salvo of 24 rockets at the object - something that came as a sobering shock to him.
It consists of a large computer complex with eight radomes protecting antennas and has over 800 employees. It is officially called the Joint Defence Space Research Facility. It is believed to be one of the largest ECHELON ground stations and appears to be physically and operationally similar to the American signals intelligence facilities at Buckley Air Force Base, Colorado and Menwith Hill, United Kingdom. United States government personnel at Pine Gap are believed to be mostly from the National Security Agency and subordinate service-associated agencies as well as the Central Intelligence Agency
Pine Gap Pine Gap is a military spy base for the United States located 20 km outside Alice Springs in the Northern Territory. Pine Gap gathers military intelligence ........ It is also the command centre for the 'Missile Defence System', an integral part of the US 'Star Wars' system enabling the US to dominate and control space.
Pine Gap - Area 51 In Australia Area 51 in Australia From Dr. Jean Francois Gille, who moved to Albuquerque, New Mexico from France, comes a translation of a French document that exposes the relationship between several factors in the matrix of world affairs. The article, titled - 'PINE GAP BASE: WORLD CONTEXT', was written by Lucien Cometta and later translated into English by Dr. John Gille: "In order to understand the case of the Pine Gap US base (near Alice Springs, Australia) better, I feel compelled to give some explanations beforehand. I hope these explanations will help to increase the general awareness of the extraordinary importance that facility has for mankind as a whole. "The majority of people, all over the world, are not lingering in doubt as to whether UFOs and ETs are real. They know they are real. Here in early 1989, no one questions their existence. The case for UFOs and ETs aroused passions, controversies and grandstanding for many years. Some of it has not been quite rational. The matter being relatively settled, public opinions should cool down. It is with a serene and clear mind that we ought to be thinking of our future relationship with the peoples from space. However, the public mind is not at peace. It vaguely feels that the governments are hiding "something real big", and it wonders where our leaders are going to lead mankind. "During the process of research and study of UFOs and aliens, researchers who do not take the explanations of the scientific establishment at face value have discovered unsettling facts; these facts have started the lifting off (of) the lid of the coverup. The value and prestige of their sources of information do not leave any doubt about the truthfulness of these reports; the main outlines are summarized below.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
I think the international communities should simply get together and decide that space should be left alone in regards to spying or shooting each others stuff down...even if tempted to do so...simply because of where it could lead.
Originally posted by Skeptical Ed
reply to post by deejayiwan
Buddy Holly and the Crickets said it best: "That'll Be The Day"
UFOs have been around since recorded history began, some claim. We have nothing that will ever get near them. Even if whatever we use doesn't depend on contact but on proximity explosion.
[edit on 16-10-2009 by Skeptical Ed]
At the 2nd Australian Symposium in Brisbane, Australia, a video was shown of a supposed UFO crash in the New Mexico desert sometime in early 1997. It depicts an object careening towards the desert floor. The object bounces once before coming crashing onto the ground, exploding and sending sparks flying.
While this footage may show an alien craft plummeting to its end, a number of experiments involving Edwards Air Force Base scientists and personnel are known to take place there.
An American researcher who has a highly placed NASA source working at Edwards AFB said that a small scale model of the X-38 space 'Liferaft' crashed on a small scale test range, with the range control officer executing a self-destruct procedure before it landed.
While it is difficult to form definitive conclusions as to the film's authenticity given the absence of camera specifications, original footage, eye-witness testimony or exact date, it is nonetheless very intriguing.
The source of this video has never been established. It was first released publicly during a UFO conference in Australia in Brisbane. The crash allegedly depicts an unknown object which crashed into the deserts of New Mexico in early 1997. The object seems "lighter than air" as it bounces before it ultimately bursts into thousands of pieces.
Although the film is very compelling as to the characteristics displayed by the unknown object, the fact that there is no source material, exact time or date, and location make it very difficult to evaluate. At best it is a great conversation piece, but adds no validity to the study of UFOs.