Russia's Putin warns against intimidating Iran

Russia's Putin warns against intimidating Iran

in.reuters.com

BEIJING (Reuters) - Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin on Wednesday warned major powers against intimidating Iran and said that talk of sanctions against the Islamic Republic was "premature".

"There is no need to frighten the Iranians," Putin told reporters in Beijing.

"We need to look for a compromise. If a compromise is not found, and the discussions end in a fiasco, then we will see," he said, adding that talks of sanctions was "premature" at present

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Thanks President Obama.

All the capitulating at the United Nations has done nothing. All of the talking down America has done nothing. Giving up missle defense to appease Russia has done nothing. Not meeting with the Dalai Lama to appease China has done nothing.

The leaders of the world know that Obama will give up the farm to try and look like a man of peace. These men want power. They want to control the souls of men. They don't care about International law. They don't care about Obama and Gordon Brown drawing a line in the sand because they know it's meaningless talk.

We are in trouble.

in.reuters.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 14-10-2009 by Matrix Rising]

If Putin speaks, you best listen. I dont think he messes around, he's all business.

They are still totally pissed off with the Georgian incident, so i guess this time he is making it absolutely clear to everyone that its a black and white situation.

Originally posted by Matrix Rising
All the capitulating at the United Nations has done nothing. All of the talking down America has done nothing.

The point of that was just show and setting a tone for invasions
Just like Bush did with Iraq.

Originally posted by Matrix Rising
Giving up missle defense to appease Russia has done nothing.

Those missile defences were 1) not needed, 2) donated to Israel
There is no need of them

Originally posted by Matrix Rising
Not meeting with the Dalai Lama to appease China has done nothing.

Bah, either way he met him or not what good would that have done?
seriously, what difference would that have made

Originally posted by Matrix Rising
These men want power. They want to control the souls of men. They don't care about International law.

1) which men want power?
2) Who wants to control the soul of men?
3) Who doesn't care about international law and how well do you understand foreign policy?

Originally posted by Matrix Rising
They don't care about Obama and Gordon Brown drawing a line in the sand because they know it's meaningless talk.

Neither of them have any grounds for drawing a line
Whether it's Iran or North Korea neither of them are threats
Time to wake up!

Originally posted by Matrix Rising
We are in trouble.

I agree, too many have been fooled by war propoganda thinking one mouse is a threat to an army of elephants and lions.


Anyone else feel how much the tides have turned?
Who would have thought that Russia would be a better country than the US

Someone give Medvedev and Putin nobel peace prizes

Ya we better not mess with Putin he just looks mean and wouldn't even think twice when he says get the Tsar's ready for launch to America.

Sorry but I think Russia would squash us fast, if we go at it with Russia then are other emenys will attack us all at once destroying us quick.

Enjoy

reply to post by ModernAcademia


"Those missile defences were 1) not needed, 2) donated to Israel
There is no need of them"

I assume then you are a geopolitical military analyst? If not then on what merit could you possibly have for this statement? Your opinion does not make it fracking so.

Edit to add: "I agree, too many have been fooled by war propoganda thinking one mouse is a threat to an army of elephants and lions"

Lions are a natural predator of elephants. and we are counting on this.

[edit on 10/14/2009 by Remixtup]

Originally posted by Matrix Rising

Thanks President Obama.

All the capitulating at the United Nations has done nothing. All of the talking down America has done nothing. Giving up missle defense to appease Russia has done nothing. Not meeting with the Dalai Lama to appease China has done nothing.

The leaders of the world know that Obama will give up the farm to try and look like a man of peace. These men want power. They want to control the souls of men. They don't care about International law. They don't care about Obama and Gordon Brown drawing a line in the sand because they know it's meaningless talk.

We are in trouble.

in.reuters.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 14-10-2009 by Matrix Rising]

Pardon me for asking but what exactly have the Iranians done to hurt anyone to the extent you write “we’re in trouble”

Trouble from what exactly? Iran has not attacked a foreign nation in its entire history as an Islamic Republic.

What exactly does Barack Obama or Gordon Brown have to do with how Iran which is a sovereign nation is run?

When last I checked neither man works for the Iranian Government or was elected by the Iranian people to determine the course of what goes on inside of Iran.

Who exactly is “we’re” in we are in trouble. Iran has neither plans nor any capability of attacking the United Kingdom or the United States.

There is no threat to the world from Iran.

The only thing “we’re in trouble” for, is this insane belief that any nation that won’t do exactly as Israel wishes some how represents a genuine threat to the United States and/or the United Kingdom or even Israel for that matter.

Iran is actually far more cooperative with the United Nations and Atomic Energy Agency Inspectors than Israel is.

Putin is absolutely right in that there is no cause to either be threatening Iran or demanding Iran be punished for something that Iran has not only not even done, but is not the United States or the United Kingdoms place or lawful role to punish them for.

Fear mongering and trumping up hysterical unsubstantiated charges against peaceful Third World Nations does not make the world a safer place for anyone.

reply to post by Remixtup


1) did you just try making a point? If so can you tell me what it is, I must have missed it

2) what does fracking mean?

Also regarding the missile defence system it's a good thing that it didn't happen.

It's amazing how people want to go with Bush's path.. WOW

He wanted ten launcher systems in Poland and radar systems in the Czech Republic. The polish population did NOT want this and the Czech didn't want it either. Who are you to say Obama should have done it anyhow despite what these sovereign countries oppositions were?

When was the last time the U.S. attempted peace?
Seriously.... when?
Don't say Obama is trying, no he's not he's all talk

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Iran is actually far more cooperative with the United Nations and Atomic Energy Agency Inspectors than Israel is.

Yes, and this makes a VERY STRONG point!

People need to think more and look at the entire picture rather than jumping the gun as soon as they see a news article headline.
I don't know if this is just being sheeple or paranoid or a bit of both.

Iran is a million times more cooperative than Israel but you won't see this anywhere in mainstream news and it's time for people to start wondering why.


[edit on 14-10-2009 by ModernAcademia]

Seems like Iran's membership to the SCO is coming soon.

The populations didnt want it? Its not up to the populations, its the person they elect, because they are privy to information the populace is not.

"The U.S. reversal is likely to please Russia, which had fiercely opposed the plans." Hmm.. more capitulation to the bear.

A spokeswoman at the Polish Ministry of Defense also said the program had been suspended.

"This is catastrophic for Poland," said the spokeswoman, who declined to be named in line with ministry policy.
edition.cnn.com...

Poland and the Czech Republic had based much of their future security policy on getting the missile defenses from the United States. The countries share deep concerns of a future military threat from the east -- namely, Russia -- and may now look for other defense assurances from their NATO allies.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


How cooperative would you be if the president of a country with nuclear capabilities said ...

"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

, and denied the holocaust ever happened.
www.globalresearch.ca...

What's with people thinking Russia is hardcore these days? The only thing that makes America weak is the American people and their inability to handle a war.

Obama showed the world how he will handle things with the pirate situation everybody has forgotten about. There is a time for talking and a time for action.

reply to post by Remixtup


dude you don't even know what you are talking about
many polish leaders were happy and many czech leaders were happy with Obama's new direction.

and.. of course, many were dissapointed.

At the end of the day the population of both countries are happy.

Let me ask you, if russia had a deal with poland to have missiles pointed at U.S. how would you react?

If you cannot empathize you cannot understand.

I suggest we use our brains rather than abuse them.

Think people.....Think....!

reply to post by sickofitall2012


who cares if he said the holocaust never happened
that means the country needs to be invaded?

you know how many europeans also think that it never happened or at least the death tolls were widely exaggerated?
do some research and find out!

And the imam poses a threat to Iran more than to America.

Listen, Iran is NOT a threat!

Iran is a military midget, at least compared to America. Tehran's estimated military outlays run about $8 billion annually--less than two percent of America's level. Iran's military has been untested for two decades, and much of the Iranian security apparatus is directed at domestic repression.

Moreover, Iran is constrained by its neighbors, including hostile Arab states. Even more significant is Israel, the dominant Middle Eastern military power, with as many as 200 nuclear warheads.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Do you even understand America and Israel's military might?
Iran is a blockaded country, ever shipment sent to them gets investigated by the UN and U.S. troops

Iran is a military mouse and every piece of cheese sent their way gets inspected from A to Z.

Get real people!

It's unfortunate that this series of events seems to be almost unavoidable.

I know this isn't a popular opinion, but Iran is actually being bullied, and threatened by so many countries at once. I somewhat understand Iran's level of paranoia. So far, Iran is already complying with us/eu demands and it STILL seems like the US/Israel are picking a fight.

The entire situation feels like a scene from a school yard playground.

A small group of bullies (US/EU/UN) are forcing a particular child (Iran) to get off of the playground swingset. "You're not part of our (Bilderberg) group!" So git over there!" So the child slowly gets off and moves over to the sandbox instead. The bullies seem to be immediately bored with the swingset and move over to the sandbox, this time demanding that the child empties his pockets as well. The child once again yields and ultimately leaves to tell the principal (Main Stream Media) on them.

After hearing the news, the principal immediately runs over to the bullies to ask them questions. The bullies begin to lie ("He had a knife in his pocket! He was going to stab us!"), the principal notices that many of the bullies have wealthy parents that have donated to the school before. Through the principal's perspective, it is best to listen to the bullies first.

The principal forces the child to stay in detention (Sanctions) while he calls the cops (UN Investigators) to search his locker for weapons. Regardless of if the kid had weapons or not, the rumors are already circulating and the president is forced to suspend the child. It is at this time that the PhysEd teacher (Russia) steps in and explains that he has been observing the playground for a while, and the bullies have a pattern of picking on the child. The principal (Main Stream Media) responds to the teacher; 'Have you been drinking on the job again?'

And this is where we currently are in the story of the playground.

Just my observation.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


This post summarizes the problem.

People are so blinded by this irrational hatred for Israel that they can't see the threat a nuclear Iran poses for the region and the world.

Ahmadinejad is a nut. He's on a religious mission to not only destroy Israel but the United States.

The reason this is important is because Iran is not acting in isolation. The reason they are boastful is because they are backed by China and Russia.

This is not just Iran and anyone with half a brain should be able to see that it's Russia and China pulling the strings. This is why we can't try to appease China and Russia in order to bring sanctions against Iran. It's an excercise in futility because Russia and China will not budge.

Again, people can't see this because they are blinded by their hatred for Israel.

Israel is a tiny democracy in the midst of people who want to wipe them from the face of the earth. We gave Arafat over 55 billion dollars and the people in Palestine still live like it's 2,000 B.C. Arafat died a billionaire and his wife was taking shopping trips to France.

Israel is not perfect but the people who are blinded by hatred for Israel never see the other side. Arafat refused any peace deal because it's more lucrative to take billions from the world and then use useful idiots to blame Israel and America for the troubles of the people in Palestine.

Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust and he thinks he's on a religious mission to bring back the Mahdi.

While Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been making headlines lately by questioning whether the Holocaust actually happened, by suggesting Israel should be moved to Europe and by demanding the Jewish state be wiped off the face of the earth, his apocalyptic religious zealotry has received less attention.

In a videotaped meeting with Ayatollah Javadi-Amoli in Tehran, Ahmadinejad discussed candidly a strange, paranormal experience he had while addressing the United Nations in New York last September.

He recounts how he found himself bathed in light throughout the speech. But this wasn't the light directed at the podium by the U.N. and television cameras. It was, he said, a light from heaven.

www.wnd.com...

This also shows that many secularist are blinded by hatred for America and Israel. Secularist complain about religion but they are willing to overlook Ahmadinejad's messianic visions of wiping Israel of the map because they have this irrational hatred for Israel.

If you can't see the danger of a nuclear armed North Korea and Iran when they are backed by China and Russia then you just have your head in the sand.



[edit on 14-10-2009 by Matrix Rising]

Obama Missile-Defense U-Turn Rocks Central Europe

Critics of the missile shield rejoiced, but the news drew angry words in Poland and the Czech Republic, which had agreed to host elements of the controversial system proposed by Obama's predecessor, George W. Bush.
Czech Ex-Minister Schwarzenberg Talks About U.S. Decision


"I expected different things, but not such arrogance from the United States," Lech Walesa, Poland's iconic former president and Nobel Peace Prize laureate, told RFE/RL. "Some discussions and explanations should have taken place before to make it look like a mutual arrangement rather than a unilateral decision."

Central European politicians, including Walesa, had spent more than two years defending the U.S. shield against stiff public resistance at home, and Obama's move could deal a serious blow to their credibility.

U.S. move on missile shield rankles Poland

The U.S. decision to back out of the missile shield agreement forged by the Bush administration -- and opposed by Russia -- has evoked memories among Poles of Cold War helplessness, of being brushed aside as casualties of great power politics.

In Poland and in other nations that were part of the old Soviet bloc, the U.S. announcement played into a historical sense of uncertainty. Warsaw's political elite spoke of a visceral fear that the Obama administration is willing to sacrifice central Europe in its eagerness to repair badly damaged relations with Russia.

[edit on 14-10-2009 by SLAYER69]