Venezuela seizes a landmark Hilton Hotel

reply to post by BaronVonGodzilla

You're seeing it more and more because its seeping into every facet of our society. The emoticons? Hell, im gonna enjoy the ride my friend. I certainly wont be silenced. stop the epeen



You have people IN THIS THREAD defending a Socialist dictator...how is what I said NOT POIGNANT??

Allegedly Paris responded to this news with an authoritative "that's hot!"

I've been to Venezuela, it's not really what I would consider a tourist destination, unless you're looking for a wife. I'm sure there's more to the story than we're being told.

Peace

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Please see my post where I said it was wrong of the Venezuelan government to do this. No matter how much you attempt to put words in my mouth and make it seem as if I am taking the side of the Venezuelan government, that does not make it true.

I don't feel sorry for the owner of this hotel. Period. That is not an endorsement of the Venezuelan government's actions, it is simply the cold hard truth. I wholeheartedly congratulate you on taking the moral high ground on this issue by saying it is wrong no matter who does it or who it happens to, but I simply do not feel the same way, and no amount of your lecturing will change that.

We the USA steal peoples land too its just called Kelo v. City of New Londonreply to post by TrueAmerican

AFAIK, Chavez was within the laws of Venezuela in doing this. That's one of the risks you take in business. Governments might take things away from you. Happens here in the US, too.

There is a concept called Eminent Domain, which allows the government to "condemn" your property and then take it from you at "fair market value". They get to decide what's fair. Sure, you can challenge it, and sometimes you'd win. But most people never get more than a fraction of what their property would have been worth to them.

All governments rule by violence (or at least the threat of violence). We all know, deep down, that if we disobey our laws, men with guns might come for us to take us prisoner or, if we resist, injure or kill us. What Chavez did is no different from how the US takes property away from people. Through violence, if necessary.

LOL awesome.

This type of stuff is great.

Aside from the fact that the Hilton family no longer has a controlling interest in the Hilton brand of hotels. It's actually owned by the Blackstone group, I would be more afraid of them coming after me than anything the Hilton family could have mustered. Since the property itself is still open for business and accepting guests, I would imagine Hilton worldwide to not be to concerned about the issue.

I am not that surprised about this act. Every single country in this world do Eminent domain. Some more than others.

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There is no such thing as 'abuse of power' in a socialist dictatorship like Venezuela. Whatever the dictator says, goes. That is why Obama is so keen into turning the U.S. into the same. He's already started by nationalizing 'Government Motors', one of the U.S.' largest corporations, and has good control over quite a large percentage of the banking and insurance sectors. Now he's working on taking over the entire healthcare industry. Bit by bit, we are turning into the same as Venezuela. Why do you think Obama and Chavez got on so well at that conference?

The gov't of Venezuela, as it turns out, has been the majority shareholder in this hotel since 1995. Furthermore, the concession that allowed Hilton to run the hotel has expired, meaning that it's at the discretion of the majority shareholders to decide what's done with it.

www.google.com...

All legal, and barely even newsworthy unless you're in the hotel business.

Originally posted by vox2442
The gov't of Venezuela, as it turns out, has been the majority shareholder in this hotel since 1995. Furthermore, the concession that allowed Hilton to run the hotel has expired, meaning that it's at the discretion of the majority shareholders to decide what's done with it.

www.google.com...

All legal, and barely even newsworthy unless you're in the hotel business.

This article says it was a minority share holder "accionista minoritario", its in spanish though

www.noticias24.com...

@NovusOrdoMundi

what you wrote in the first page make me a little sick. You are coming across as a resented person, saying its ok because the hiltons have the money.

As it has been said, for one thing it is not owned by the hiltons. Every time the government makes an action like this and it goes by without people doing a thing about it, it gives them more power to step on BOTH the rich and the poor.

not to mention that how the heck is Venezuela going to attract investors doing these things? You think they are going to take the risk? no

Many people who have the money to invest are leaving the country with it, because as you can see, when chavez wakes up wanting to do something he does it, period.

If the law does not permit it he either does it anyway OR changes the law to permit it (not very hard when your people control the great mayority of all govt branches)

from the link above

"“Cuando queríamos realizar la cumbre ASA (América del Sur África) tuvimos que pedir un montón de permisos para la seguridad y para otras cosas (…) Ellos quieren impornerle condiciones al Estado revolucionario y eso no lo vamos a admitir”, enfatizó."

Quoting chavez:

When we wanted to conduct the ASA summit, we had to ask for a whole lot of permits for security and other things.. They want to impose conditions
to the revolutionary state and we are not going to allow that.

He is just pissed off for that and wants to make them pay for it, he behaved just like a child

yes i am Venezuelan and no you dont know 1/2 of the story regarding how he has messed up the country, ty

Viva Chavez.

The Hilton family has enough money. Actually, scratch that. They have too much.

Send a message to the vampires. Hopefully more world leaders follow suit.

Originally posted by milesp
Viva Chavez.

The Hilton family has enough money. Actually, scratch that. They have too much.

Send a message to the vampires. Hopefully more world leaders follow suit.

maybe you need to read the other posts?

Originally posted by The Legacy

Originally posted by milesp
Viva Chavez.

The Hilton family has enough money. Actually, scratch that. They have too much.

Send a message to the vampires. Hopefully more world leaders follow suit.

maybe you need to read the other posts?

You're right.

2nd line...

Chavez is a hero

seriously,

and Morales also, we don't talk enough about that one. and the guys from Equador too (Nature has now rights in equador, corps cannot own Her or mess with Her anymore)

those guys haven't been chosen by the "elite" but by the people, and as a matter of fact they don't own the media in their country (unlike, france, italy, us etc) and they've always respected the idea of democracy.

Anything that makes you believe that this statement is lunatic has been brainwashed to you by the corps.

we badly need those that dare to stand in frontline (Equador, Bolivia, Venezuela) and are saying NO to the corps these days.

free-spirited people best hope for another world.

Originally posted by ::.mika.::
we badly need those that dare to stand in frontline (Equador, Bolivia, Venezuela) and are saying NO to the corps these days.

And you dont move to these countries... because?

Oh boy how it easy it is to say these things being an outsider, isnt it?

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because i'm living in india since a few years (sept 2001)

but as the corps are taking over here i'm considering a move for next year !

edit: have been in touch with people from bolivia. They 're showing amazing consciousness (so much more free-thinking compared to the docile western sheeple), they know what they fight and they will stand altough media (own by corps) are putting so much pressure to destabilize the country (and recover the forest that was given back to the tribes - ie to herself)




[edit on 15-10-2009 by ::.mika.::]

Originally posted by mikerussellus
reply to post by BaronVonGodzilla

 

Darn, and here I was, going to post a reply that stated, "The shape of things to come."

Doesn't matter in the long run though, we have all seen through history, what happens to dictators.

What, they get out of office and go back to their ranch in Texas?

Works both ways.

I'm more worried that the entire empire is built on sand and regardless of what figurehead is at the helm, the ship is going down.

Forget what happens to dictators, worry about what happens to empires, because we're nearly there already.

Chavez thinks that the US wants to invade his small, tiny little country. And do you think that by seizing american property in his country will make the US think any different of him?

I have 2 words for this topic Eminent domain The US has been DEVOURING company's left and right here . They have forced little companys out with NO help what so ever and these companys have been in buisness over 20 years in some cases .
I say "[Physician heal thy self!]"


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