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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 11:24 AM by jibeho
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Nice work. I still have not picked my jaw up from the floor yet. Furthermore, I have not even heard the word Esperanto since I was in High School
Language Study Class in the 1980's. I thought it was dead.
I have always known that Soros was a nefarious character with a never ending reach. I had no idea about his connection to this obscure language.
WTF is going on. 
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 11:24 AM by Stormdancer777
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A Fabian Socialist Dream Come True
www.nolanchart.com...
The gradual revolution of the Fabian Socialists is quickly becoming a reality in America.
The Fabian Society began in England in 1887 by a very small group of elitist socialist that sought to reform society gradually into one of
socialism instead of through violent revolution. At first their purpose was to be an alternative in Britain for the more dominate Marxist
Social-Democratic Federation, but their true goal was to accomplish socialism through a very gradual process using the voting booth and representative
democracy as their instrument of change. In fact, one of their symbols is a Turtle with the motto: "When I Strike, I Strike Hard". Another symbol is
the Wolf in Sheep's Clothing and the Globe on an Anvil being hammered into the Fabian model.
The Fabian Plan for gradual Socialist Revolution was as definitive as it possibly could be, to say it has been a conspiracy is simplistic in the
extreme. It instituted a widespread educational program for its leadership and its minions, as time progressed, it opened schools, such as the London
School of Economics, and the New School of Social Research.
One stroke of genius was that instead of advocating a Socialist State, they assisted in the implementation of the Welfare State, which as we should
all know is merely a few steps away from a purely Socialistic State. It was, of course, implemented gradually, and played upon the weaknesses of human
nature to gain popularity. Unlike the usual Socialist points of views, the Fabians didn't advocate complete State ownership of businesses, industry,
agriculture or land, instead they sought to involve the State into very specific areas of importance such as electric power production,
transportation, precious metals and of course, credit. The remaining balance of economic systems would be left to the private sector however; it would
be highly regulated by the State and operated according to the wishes of the State.
So it has been subtly planted in psyche, through education?
Who didn't know that?
The first step to an efficient plan of capitalist neutralization is control over the money supply
The government is assuming more and more responsibility for and authority over the economy, all under the guise of protecting the people from
potentially unscrupulous free marketeers. We are being moved yet another step closer to the dream-society of the Fabians.
The greatest bulwark against tyranny in America has always been the system of private ownership and free enterprise, it is the cornerstone of our
system of government and without it our freedoms and liberty are in jeopardy.
In 1942, Stuart Chase, in his book "The Road We Are Traveling" spelled out the system of planning the Fabians had in mind; the interesting thing
is to look at that plan in comparison to 2008 America.
1. Strong, centralized government.
2. Powerful Executive at the expense of Congress and the Judicial.
3. Government controlled banking, credit and securities exchange.
4. Government control over employment.
5. Unemployment insurance, old age pensions.
6. Universal medical care, food and housing programs.
7. Access to unlimited government borrowing.
8. A managed monetary system.
9. Government control over foreign trade.
10. Government control over natural energy sources, transportation and agricultural production.
11. Government regulation of labor.
12. Youth camps devoted to health discipline, community service and ideological teaching consistent with those of the authorities.
13. Heavy progressive taxation.
The question is why?
they will make sure that they have popular support.
In 1933, they proposed that private enterprise had failed leaving the jobless to starve, hope to fade and that the State must step in to save the
country and protect the people from the dangers associated with the inherent problems of free enterprise. Today, the call is very similar, the State
must step in to protect the people. The Corporate State is, in the minds of Fabians, the ultimate protector of the common man, the provider of
security on all fronts, but it requires our complete compliance and the relinquishment of our liberty in exchange. The State is to ultimately be the
only one allowed wealth, the problem is that wealth is the people's wealth confiscated in exchange for their hard labor. It is, in essence, a plan
for a modern feudal society of peonage and the people are the peons.
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 11:29 AM by Stormdancer777
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I have always known that Soros was a nefarious character with a never ending reach. I had no idea about his connection to this obscure language.
WTF is going on.
I don't know what is going on, but I believe that the end of the 1800's through the early 1900's ushered in something new, the movement never
died.
I think I will wait on posting that information.
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 12:33 PM by Stormdancer777
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Tony Blair, former Prime Minister of Great Britain, Gordon Brown, current Prime Minister of Great Britain, they are Fabian socialists.
Lenin
Friedrich Nietzsche, "God is dead,"
Big UH OH
Charles Darwin
1883
1905 they came to the US, founding,
Inner collegiate socialist ,
secular humanist economics,
the league for industrial democracy,
John Dewy,
father of progressive education, think Hillary,
100 house members are socialists,
Ever hear of the apostles club?
Cambridge Apostles Club
en.wikipedia.org...
Members of the Apostles have included (with the year they joined in brackets, where known):
* George Tomlinson, Bishop of Gibraltar (1820)
* J.F.D. "Frederick" Maurice, Christian socialist writer (1823)
* Erasmus Alvey Darwin, brother of Charles Darwin (1823)
* John Sterling, writer and poet (1825)
* John Mitchell Kemble, historian (1826)
* Charles Buller, barrister and MP (1826)
* Richard Chenevix Trench, Christian writer, Archbishop of Dublin (1827)
* Arthur Buller, judge of the Supreme Court, Calcutta (1828)
* Arthur Hallam, poet (1829)
* Alfred Tennyson, English poet, member of the House of Lords (1829)
* Sir William Harcourt, Chancellor of the Exchequer (1847)
* Fenton John Anthony Hort, theologian (1851)
* James Clerk Maxwell, physicist (1852)
* Henry Sidgwick, philosopher (1857)
* Henry Jackson, classicist (1863)
* Oscar Browning, educator
* G. H. Hardy, mathematician.
* A.N. Whitehead, mathematician, logician and philosopher (1884)
* Roger Eliot Fry, art historian (1887)
* Bertrand Russell, philosopher, member of the House of Lords (1892)
* Goldsworthy Lowes Dickinson, historian and philosopher
* J. M. E. McTaggart, philosopher
* G.E. Moore, philosopher (1894)
* G. M. Trevelyan, historian (1895)
* E. M. Forster, writer (1901)
* Desmond MacCarthy, newspaper critic
* Lytton Strachey, writer and critic (1902)
* James Strachey, translator of Freud[2]
* Gordon H Luce, scholar
* Robert Trevelyan, poet and translator
* Saxon Sidney Turner, writer
* Francis Birrell, critic and journalist
* Leonard Woolf
* Ferenc Békássy, Hungarian poet
* John Maynard Keynes, economist, member of the House of Lords (1903)
* Rupert Brooke, poet (1908)
* Raymond Mortimer, art critic, journalist, editor of the New Statesman
* F. L. Lucas, writer and critic
* Gerald Shove, economist[3]
* John Tressider "Jack" Sheppard, classicist, provost of King's College
* Lionel Penrose (1920)
* R. B. Braithwaite, philosopher (1921)
* Frank P. Ramsey, philosopher (1921)
* Dadie Rylands (1922)
* Dennis Robertson, economist (1926)
* Dennis Proctor, classicist; later Sir Dennis Proctor; Permanent Secretary, UK Ministry of Power. (1927)[4]
* Anthony Blunt, art adviser to the Queen, MI5 officer, KGB spy (1927)
* Julian Bell, poet (1928)
* Hugh Sykes Davies (1932)[5]
* Guy Burgess, MI6 officer, KGB spy (1932)
* Lewis Daly, anthropologist implicated in Cambridge Spy Ring (1933)
* William Grey Walter (1933)
* Victor Rothschild, financier, member of the House of Lords (1933)
* D. G. Champernowne (1934)
* Alan Lloyd Hodgkin (1935)
* Michael Whitney Straight, American magazine publisher, member of the Whitney family, Presidential speechwriter (1936)[6]
* Derek Prince (1938)
* Peter Shore, Labour politician (1947)
* Robin Gandy, mathematician (1947)
* Noel Annan, intelligence officer, provost of King's College, Cambridge, provost of University College, London, vice-chancellor of the
University of London, member of the House of Lords (1948)
* Harry Gordon Johnson (1951)
* Eric Hobsbawm, historian
* Quentin Skinner, historian of political philosophy
* Geoffrey Lloyd, emeritus professor of classics at Cambridge; Master of Darwin College, Cambridge
* Anthony Kelly, headmaster, professor of education, author (1979)
* Jonathan Miller, knighted; physician, comic, member of Beyond the Fringe (with Peter Cook, Alan Bennet and Dudley Moore), and theatre and film
director
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 12:45 PM by Stormdancer777
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The sad truth is that Barack Obama and his cabal of international socialists have every intention of bursting the bubble of American supremacy.
They see America as the lynchpin of a global situation they deplore, a world that is inherently unfair. A world in which there is no genuine evil,
only valid grievances for past oppression. It is that unfairness for which America now must pay with her 401Ks. And to these "liberal communists,"
Barack Obama declared fealty in his "Citizen of the World" speech in Berlin.
www.americanthinker.com...
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 01:21 PM by Stormdancer777
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Things we already knew,
THE DESTROYERS WHO CONTROL CONGRESS, THE WHITE HOUSE & MEDIA
newswithviews.com...
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 02:15 PM by mikerussellus
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What's the bottom line here? Unification with Europe? A blend of states and unions? We already have a one world hegenomy at it is hidden behind
such things as the G7 or G20.
Is this a more overt construct on the part of Soros?
Is all this a lie? Are we in a "matrix" senario where the illusion of independence and freedoms is just that? An illusion?
One the one hand, I hope not, on the other, I wouldn't put it past the leaders.
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 03:09 PM by Stormdancer777
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Obama-Soros Health Crimes
By Joy Tiz Wednesday, October 14, 2009
Most of Obama’s stated plans for America are indistinguishable from those of George Soros. As the left forces nationalized health care on us, we
may want to consider Soros’s Project on Death. Soros is a leading promoter of the assisted suicide movement. He papers over it with tripe about
compassion; in reality, the project is a push for palliative care rather than treatment for gravely ill patients. As always, it’s all about the
money:
canadafreepress.com...
So said Soros in a 1994 speech. What did he mean by “proper care” for the dying? The same George Soros who told Steve Croft on 60 Minutes in
1992 that he had no remorse for his role in sending Jews to death camps now presents himself as the very soul of beneficence as he crusades to
exterminate terminally ill patients.
“This brings me to that hotly debated subject, physician assisted suicide and euthanasia.”
The compassionate Nazi collaborator wants us to believe that his interest in caring for the dying was sparked by the death of his own father. Soros
was irked at his father’s obstinate refusal to just die already: “...unfortunately [he ]wanted to live… I was kind of disappointed in him ... I
wrote him off.”
Well they can kill a bunch of us old timers off legally,
The rationing of health care is inevitable
Soros’ depraved attitude toward his father’s will to live was not the only catalyst for his Death Project. It was also stoked by the abject
failure of Hillarycare; another odious and ill-conceived program that was fortunately derailed as soon as the public found out what it was. Soros,
determined not to let that happen again, set about bankrolling the inglorious McCain-Feingold bill, a campaign finance “reform” law that nobody
but Soros wanted. Using phony research polls, Soros was able to sell the hoax that the American people were desperate for campaign finance reform.
When President Obama-Soros commandeers our health care system, aided by congress, be wary of jargon like “involuntary euthanasia.” We dodged a
bullet with the demolition of Hillarycare, only to find ourselves facing something even more malevolent. As baby boomers age, there is no question
that demand for health care services will outstrip supply. At the same time, nationalizing health care creates little incentive for talented students
to endure the rigors of medical school, internships and residencies. The rationing of health care is inevitable.
That can pave the way for the indoctrinated younger generation,
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 03:11 PM by Stormdancer777
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Originally posted by mikerussellus
reply to post by Stormdancer777
What's the bottom line here? Unification with Europe? A blend of states and unions? We already have a one world hegenomy at it is hidden behind
such things as the G7 or G20.
Is this a more overt construct on the part of Soros?
Is all this a lie? Are we in a "matrix" senario where the illusion of independence and freedoms is just that? An illusion?
One the one hand, I hope not, on the other, I wouldn't put it past the leaders.
"I don't know," she said with a whimper.
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 03:14 PM by mikerussellus
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Well, with Halloween just around the corner, this goes right up there with "Michael Meyers" and "Freddy Krueger".
Only I don't think this'll end in two hours after popcorn and sodas.
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 03:15 PM by Stormdancer777
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Originally posted by mikerussellus
reply to post by Stormdancer777
Well, with Halloween just around the corner, this goes right up there with "Michael Meyers" and "Freddy Krueger".
Only I don't think this'll end in two hours after popcorn and sodas.
I think we both get the picture.
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 03:26 PM by Stormdancer777
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Globalist cover-up hiding Obama's past?
www.wnd.com...
An even more pressing question is: How does a person like Obama – a nobody from nowhere – come to command such power and money so as to pull
this off? Think about what it takes for a presidential candidate, and now sitting president, to have such power.
The answer can only be that Obama is the front man for something far more sinister. One person, without the strength and backing of a cabal capable of
toppling governments and affecting worldwide currencies, etc., could not even consider such an undertaking, much less pull it off.
Ergo, the logical conclusion must then be that behind Obama there exists a group or organization so powerful and so sinister that they are able
not just to influence global policy, but to control it. I repeat for the record, Obama in and of himself cannot, by any stretch of the imagination,
singularly demand that every major media outlet ignore investigating that which could potentially make Woodward and Bernstein's investigation into
President Nixon pale in comparison.
Global domination is obviously their goal, but what in Obama's background threatens to derail them if it were exposed? Rumors and suspicions abound
pursuant to his citizenship, but if someone has enough power to silence a worldwide press and media, they would certainly have the ability to forge or
recreate birth documents.
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 03:35 PM by Stormdancer777
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Tentative Inspection Program Would Allow Russia to Visit U.S. Nuclear Sites
www.foxnews.com...
Russia and the United States have tentatively agreed to a weapons inspection program that would allow Russians to visit nuclear sites in America
to count missiles and warheads.
The plan, which Fox News has learned was agreed to in principle during negotiations, would constitute the most intrusive weapons inspection program
the U.S. has ever accepted.
Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who met with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, said publicly Tuesday that the two nations have made "considerable"
progress toward reaching agreement on a new strategic arms treaty.
The 1991 Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, or START, expires in December and negotiators have been racing to reach agreement on a successor.
Clinton said the U.S. would be as transparent as possible.
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 04:01 PM by mikerussellus
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There was a time (yes, I'm that old) that I felt worried about the idea of nukes being thrown back and forth by the US and the old USSR.
Then the USSR disolved, and we had a relative time of peace. Again, just the way I was thinking. Back then, I didn't follow politics like I do
now.
Of course, the World Trade Center bombings both the first time then with the planes, plus you add the USS Cole, embassy bombings, we had a new fear,
terrorism.
But I felt safe in my home, with my family even yet.
Now with this "new" openess, it makes me fear again.
I liked it when the US was the only mean dog on the block. Selfish? Sure. But we're talking about my wife and kids here. So call me sefish all
day long.
what is the point of being a major player in the game, when you even the table to the point that former enemies can come to OUR shores and take a look
at OUR weapons?
This whole thread has been informative and scary.
Do we now have to look at ourselves as something less than a superpower? This is like those kids who get a trophy just for showing up. Do we have to
level the playing field to THIS extreme?
I am almost (  ) beyond words!
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 04:12 PM by Stormdancer777
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Do we now have to look at ourselves as something less than a superpower? This is like those kids who get a trophy just for showing up.
Do we have to level the playing field to THIS extreme?
It is foolish as far as I am concerned, like they say , you cannot put the nuclear Gennie back in the bottle,
It looks like what I expected. Obama has sold us out, our government has been taken over, we have been infiltrated, and people are still asleep, or
in denial, or just think this is to strange to be true.
I am almost beyond words!
You know they said they would destroy us from within.
I am not a war monger,
But I sure would put up a fight if I had to, this pansy a$$ approach to a dangerous world is either, total stupidity, or they are ready to overthrow
America.
www.washingtonpost.com...
But they don't realize what will happen when Babylon falls.
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 04:31 PM by mikerussellus
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Then it's done. No swan song, no courageous fighting in the streets. No banners, flags, or proud defenders going off to defend freedom.
It was a war fielded, fired, without a shot heard. And no-one has a clue.
(I just made myself a drink, I don't care if it's before 5 pm)
I have a livingroom in my house. Not so big. (It's a split level home) but enough for a tv, couch, a couple of chairs and my little corner desk. I
just saw it now, as the new fracking capital of the new United States. Not fancy. Some paitings on the wall. Stuff my wife collects.
But our Founding Fathers didn't have it much better, so for now, it'll do.
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 04:56 PM by Stormdancer777
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It was a war fielded, fired, without a shot heard. And no-one has a clue.
Looks that way, and as you can see from the traffic on this thread, no one seems to care.
Of course our enemies are elated, many Americans accept the philosophy of communism and socialism, how do you fight that?
People on the forum accept it, not understanding the full ramifications, they are looking at the world through rose colored glasses.
I will be long gone when the full impact of this transition is realized.
her plagues shall come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire.
There is only one way to stop it.
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 05:29 PM by mikerussellus
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It was a war that started in the 50's. But people just forgot how to fight. Complacency, over-abundance of everything has made us soft.
And yes, you won't hear of word of complaint from the masses, until their cable, XBox, food start dissappearing.
It has become a Brave New World.
Dinosaurs like me will fight, but we are just the side-show that'll be shown as clips on MSNBC.
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 06:04 PM by Benevolent Heretic
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First of all, thanks for a very interesting thread! Flagged.
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Mass media, Politicians, linguist, speak it, reaLLY?
He said, "Mass media, politicians, most linguist, and the man in the street ignore it completely".
Actually, Esperanto isn't meant to REPLACE any language or to "do away with" any language. It's additive, so that people who speak different
languages can all have this one in common.
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
thatsrightnate.com...
If they want one language, I don’t see why they can’t be bothered to learn English like the rest of us.
 5% of the world's people are native English speakers. If he wants us to all speak the same language, we should learn Mandarin, as it's the
most spoken language in the world.
I hadn't heard of Esperanto before today, but I guess I have a totally different thought process than you guys.  With all the communications we
have and in this global environment (my husband talks to people in the Czech Republic all the time for his job), I see this as a very positive thing.
This doesn't mean we have to "give up" anything, and I don't understand people seeing this as a threat or something to fear. It's something to
ADD TO who we are.
I am an American and will always be. I am proud of my country. But if I can learn something that will help me communicate and understand the people
living on the other side of the globe, then I'm all for it. There is nothing here to fear, in my opinion.
I've always wanted to learn Spanish, as I live in the Southwest, but it's hard to learn. If Esperanto is easier, I'm very curious about it and I'm
going to be looking into it.
SO many problems have been caused by the imaginary lines we draw in the sand, claiming one piece of land "belongs to us" and that piece over there
"belongs to you". It's ridiculous, IMO. We're all the same under the sun... We speak differently and have different customs, but we're all human
beings, none better than the rest.
I guess I'm a "new ager" if that's what you call people who believe that we all are truly one people from different tribes around the world... And
I'm proud of that, too.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see a problem with everyone in the world speaking the same language... What is the problem, exactly?
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 06:27 PM by Stormdancer777
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OMG BH, showed up, I am blessed, I am pretty New age too.
I guess you missed the forest.
I hadn't heard of Esperanto before today,
I never heard of it before today either.
It is just perhaps a part of the bigger picture.
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