Remote viewers: have you seen past 2012?

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posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 08:56 AM
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I have no objection of what you are saying. Dunno if it's the exact case either, I just don't know.

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posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 09:09 AM
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I am not trained in RV, but I do have latent precognative abilities, which have saved my ass on numerous occasions in the past (foreseeing accidents and dangers etc).

I have been feeling very unnerved over the past few months and have been driven to research as much on this subject as possible. I had not in fact heard about 2012 until I started this research. The more I read, the more I feel that this IS what I am feeling. Everything from ancient texts from across the globe to internet forums like this one all confirm that this is the time of change.

I'm not saying that it will happen in 2012, but at some point in the near future, something big is going to happen.

The strange thing is that I usually get some sort of visual account of events (even if it is just in a dream), but this time I can't see anything, it's just a very strong feeling. It's an excited fear, kinda like queueing for a roller coaster. Expectation that something is going to scare the hell outta me, but I just might like it. It's hard to put into words.

I don't know when, but it'll be soon and I don't know whether it'll be good or bad, but It's going to be HUGE!!



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by sciencenewby
call me a skeptic or a flamer but I have some simple questions I need answered.

1. When "remote viewing" how does one tell what date it is? is their a calendar nearby always that is turned to the right page?

2. When "remote viewing" how do you know which alternate reality you are in? because if im correct they aren't conveniently numbered.

3. When "remote viewing" how do you see into the future when the future is not written because it has not happened yet?

4. How can we rise into the "4th dimension" when the 4th dimension is called "time" or "space time" which is where we already exist.

Please dont answer one. If you reply answer all of the questions please.


Good questions.

Answers:I can speak to my experience, some are more talented at places, timelines, microscopic detail, macroscopic detail, etc.... different abilities for different people. I think it has more to do with how our conscious minds are wired. The information comes through quite accurately I believe, it is our interpretations of the data that messes it up.

1) Dates are VERY hard to acquire. Also numbers and Letters/words. These things were created by the human mind. They are not universal. When RV'ing you are pulling data from the 'ethers' where this information is quite jumbled. Everything is energy being decoded. Next time you dream look at your watch and tell me if it makes any sense. Likely your watch will have the same look, but the dial will be out of order and sometimes has letter in it. Frustrating and confusing.

2) This is also very difficult. This issue is best addressed during tasking. The random number (in CRV) represents a written task describing what data is desired. The more specific the tasking, the more likely you are to be on the right track. If you had a vague tasking like "Describe any major events in the year 2012" you would be all over the place with the data. Doing the same task would possibly give different results each time because you could be on any timeline. This must be specified like "show major events that are most relative to this timeline with respect to the most probable outcome based on the current timeline". This is just a rudimentary example. The tasking would be even more specific usually.

3) See the above answer. We are talking probable future based on current timelines. Major events between now and then would change the timeline. Also consciousness shifts affect the outcome.

4) There is a debate about this still. I believe we are moving to the 5th. Realistically it has no significance though. It does not matter, it is what it is. There is no real point in labeling it. I like Bruce Lee's analogy here... A master points and the moon and tels his student to look. He turns to his student and says "Don't focus on the finger that points or you will miss all the wondrous glory it is pointing to"



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 09:29 AM
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I have had many dreams and OBEs about the future, some of which I think may become (at least partially) true
It goes after 2012, and the world suffers some climate change, some floods, some economic and social unrest but it is still here, by 2020 (at least my home city). But the reality is much different, nearly no economy, little cars, fewer people, more emotion, but generally similar things. I clearly saw a turning period gradually somewhere around 2010-2014.
My thread is on www.abovetopsecret.com...'

I have also tried to RV. I only see some details but the world seems to go, again, after 2012, and identical to what it is today. I saw some personal events, some unrest in some cities, some a serene sea. So, I am not worried at all.

THE WORLD GOES different but OK, PAST 2012, accordingly to RV.

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posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:17 AM
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The only reason you think this exists is because you want it too. Why does the military spend billions every year, hope of new weapons and advantages over other countries is why. They have been plug and play with human brains for, well prolly over 100 years. Just because they held on to something to try to make it real, doesn’t mean it’s real. Again I state nothing in our time is secure, things CHANGE TO FAST for it to be possible. But your right and I am wrong, it’s not even a guesstimate, it’s a fragmented illusion of a narcissist that thinks he is better or urns for special powers above the rest of us.

www.youtube.com...



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
keep in mind that there was absolute mass panic about jan 1, 2000 (not just Y2k bug)...ammo and food was hoarded, people were literally preparing for the end of the world as some sort of epic cosmic fail point.

and what happened...well, not alot beyond alot of partys playing old Prince tunes...and a couple clocks going wonky on inconsequential overlooked systems.

So, now we have another 2000 coming around..this time, its the mayan calender verses the gregorian. Oh well.


I dont know anyone who thought the world would end on the year 2000. We knew that computers could fail due to the year being stored with 2 numbers instead of 4 in the computer programs. Thats about it.

2012 is a completely different matter. It has a lot of history from many different cultures to back it up. The year 2000 had nothing. They dont even compare. Do you even realize how advanced the Mayans were?

Funny thing is, they are still more advanced than us spiritually. We have lots of tech now, but are clueless about the greater picture.


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posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by JScytale

Originally posted by sciencenewby
4. How can we rise into the "4th dimension" when the 4th dimension is called "time" or "space time" which is where we already exist.


I find that humorous myself. People who use the word "dimension" in a saturday morning cartoon sense, and don't realize that dimensions above the third very literally mean things beyond length, width end height (our three dimensions in layman's terms). Some people call time the fourth dimension, but bear in mind string theory operates with 26 physical dimensions. In simpler terms though yeah, time can be described as a fourth dimension (though personally I like to see our perception of time as the result of movement along a physical fourth dimension and the ability to only perceive slices, meaning "true" time exists beyond it, or such 'movement' would be impossible - granted that's a pet theory).


Science and it's confused guru's can only explain such mysteries in a linear way.

Densities have nothing do with anything linear whatsoever.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 11:30 AM
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An energy reconfiguration is going to be hitting the planet. some will go some will stay.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by menguard

An energy reconfiguration is going to be hitting the planet. some will go some will stay.


People need to understand that this doesn't mean their physical body proceeds into the new density, they will accompany a new one which in simple terms mean "death". There is no real death whatsoever it is but a physical distortion.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 01:07 PM
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I’m not sure what date I viewed, but I do most certainly believe that I remote viewed forward in a deep meditative sleep.

I mostly remember jumping great distances, bending time to run fast, in a city that resembles my own (Tucson, AZ), only the entire valley is filled with water, such as a coastline. If you've ever seen Tucson you know its surrounded on all sides by a bowl of mountains. Industrial structures are very crude and massive, something you would see if hordes of unskilled laborers tried to build as sturdy a structure as they could.

In these cities there are still "old" buildings. And by "old" I mean, familiar to us from this time, however, they are all completely gutted and burned, as though an atomic blast ripped through them.

There are areas of civilization that you simply don't go unless you are armed with knowledge of the possible consequences. It is the inhabitants themselves of these areas that are the point of worry. I've seen many times in scenes in which there are “flocks” people who wear ratted clothing, unkempt, smelly, it isn't a rare occasion to see one of them bleeding from the ear. They look and act like normal people for the most part, its just that their sense of reason is almost completely gone while basic instinct still remains (sleep, comfort, food, sex). They walk around without purpose or goal, following whatever promises interest or warmth, as a moth to light, and always in the desolated parts of the city. As if they are still trying to believe its real.

My take on this is that in the light of whatever may or may not happen in 2012, it will but humanity through the greatest emotional and spiritual strain ever known. Many people will not be able to handle it and the frontal lobe (closest to the eyes and where all our uniquely human thoughts come from) will undergo so much stress that it will become obsolete. I won’t even try to guess as to how.

I have had more visions like this. Including a giant phosphorous light that descends out of the sky like a HUGE falling star during a space battle over the skies of earth......but this was long before I started to seriously remote view.

I don't claim that anything I've seen in these states are fact. But the correlation in relation to the possible physical repercussions of such catastrophic events is stunning. These "dreams" or "visions" were how I first started to be inspired to research these prophecies.....

First post on ATS. Glad to be here!


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posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 01:37 PM
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remote viewing is usually done "blind" a co ordinator picks the subject and gives the remote viewer a 6 digit number that corelates with the subject so the remote viewer him/herself does not know the subject.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 01:58 PM
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3rd secret of Fatima ....... Leaders of the Roman Catholic Church will bugger their flock.

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Oh, these are the same guys who brought you....."The Bible". King James version.

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I am into this, mainly to try and figure out what I have been experiencing for the past 57 years. On the moon, I am blocked from viewing. I can go there with a guide and all I need is to ask. Asking is the hard part, because once I ask, things get sketchy in a big hurry.

Sketchy = leave what you have been taught for most of your life, at the door.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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I never thought it to be special powers. I have always thought everyone could do this, if they wanted to. Some just lack the motivation and others are conditioned to think it is not possible, yet all are capable. It is something you are borne with, much like instinct. You are just told by society that it isn't possible.

HA!



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by win 52
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3rd secret of Fatima ....... Leaders of the Roman Catholic Church will bugger their flock.

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Oh, these are the same guys who brought you....."The Bible". King James version.

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I am into this, mainly to try and figure out what I have been experiencing for the past 57 years. On the moon, I am blocked from viewing. I can go there with a guide and all I need is to ask. Asking is the hard part, because once I ask, things get sketchy in a big hurry.

Sketchy = leave what you have been taught for most of your life, at the door.



Care to elaborate on your last statement? Most of us here have already left 'traditional' reality at the door.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 02:34 PM
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The Guide part, or what people are taught to believe and ridiculed if they don't fall for the propoganda?

Moon:
I learned we are escorted, when we leave Earth's mantle. We can't go there on our own. Having an escort is a great comfort and I am thethered to my physical body. At times you may not be aware of your guide, but there is one escorting you, whether you know or not.

Earth:
There will be a gettogether, where we will come to understand why we are here. Once we understand our purpose, living on the planet will take on a different set of priorities. People will still need to eat, sleep and have children.

For me, I will leave this biological unit Oct 14, 2011. That is a date I have been aware of since birth. I only recently associated it with graduation day.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by heavenandearth01
How do you get the training or become remote viewer?


Go to the internet and look up

Lyn Buchanan
Paul H Smith
David Morehouse

These 3 people were in the original stargate team that helped develop Remote Viewing for the military. I know the first 2 still teach CRV.

Also look at Ten Thousand Roads website - to learn about it before taking a class.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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Here's some information on Remote Viewing.

Remote viewing is the action taken by a remote viewer. If that sounds like a vague definition, it is. Such is the present state of the parapsychological world. "Remote viewing" is presently a generic catch phrase which can mean almost anything dealing with parapsychology. It has so many definitions that it no longer has a meaning, and therefore causes much confusion. When a person claims to be a "remote viewer", it does not signify that he/she is a controlled remote viewer. In fact, it signifies only that the person is a practitioner of some undefined parapsychological method, often self-devised and completely uncontrolled. In such a case, saying that a person is a "remote viewer" does not tell you anything about what they do.

Controlled Remote viewing is a science which was developed in the laboratories of Stanford Research Institute, International, in Palo Alto, California. The development was funded by the U.S. government, in the hopes that the researchers could find a way to take an average soldier, teach him/her how to do the work of a top-notch psychic, and then have him/her tell the commander what was over the hill, and where to point the guns. The problem was that CRV was a full science, and just could not be taught in a short military course. Therefore, a special unit was developed for operational military work.

History

The research arm of the development was performed at SRI. At the same time, the operationions arm was performed at Fort Meade, Maryland by U.S. troops, as they put the science into operational military applications.

The the general public between "remote viewing", which is basically a new term for "psychic", and "Controlled Remote Viewing", which is the name of the very highly developed and rigid science, developed at SRI and used by the U.S. government for almost a quarter century for intelligence collection.


Controlled Remote Viewing (CRV) is a highly formalized and reliable method for obtaining intelligence information by purely mental means, without the use of external electronic and/or mechanical devices, logical deduction, or the normal five senses.

CRV is fully trainable and can be used to collect information for both military and non-military purposes, both logistical and tactical.

CRV is not based on parapsychology, but on the understanding that psychically-derived information is available to the subconscious mind, but not normally to the conscious mind. CRV is simply (and only) a methodology for bringing information from the subconscious to the conscious, using the body as an “interpreter” between the two. As such, it is more a martial art than a “psychic” phenomenon. It does not require trance states, "magical" or "spiritual" interactions, or aids such as drugs, electronic enhancements, etc. In fact, it is more of an “interview and report” process, whereby the conscious mind interviews the subconscious to gain the necessary information. The “viewer”, is therefore not trained to “magically connect to the universe”, but is instead trained to simply know and use the proper methods and techniques for both the interview process, then for the reporting process. These proper methods train the person to convey the information cleanly and without pollution, bias, misinterpretation, or editing. It is a very cut-and-dry process which can be learned by anyone, and does not require outstanding or exceptional “psychic” talent.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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CRV is a total “no-nonsense” technology. “Woo-woo”, mystical, and/or occult descriptions and meaningless phrases are not allowed. The viewer strives for facts and figures which relate to “real world” targets. Although a fully trained viewer who has an established track record, or “dependability rating” can, at times, be tasked against such targets as UFO sightings, other-planet locations, etc., CRV practitioners very strongly discourage the use of CRV for these purposes. You should be especially aware that any training courses which use such “esoteric” or “no-feedback” targets are considered to be unauthorized and unqualified, and should be avoided at all costs. Anyone seeking training in this field should be very careful to check on this and other aspects of the courses, before venturing money for them.

CRV training and applications rely very heavily on documented and databased results. All viewers have strengths and weaknesses which are individual to them. Databasing allows a “track record” or “dependability rating” to be established for each viewer. It also allows detailed training toward a viewer’s weaknesses and the use of a viewer according to his/her strengths. In such a manner, a team of viewers, each of whom may have overall dependability ratings of, say, 78% accuracy, can be tasked toward their strong points alone, resulting in an overall accuracy rating for the team which often achieves the 90 percentile range. Military databasing records are now in long-term storage, and Problems Solutions Innovations now possesses the only operational database for CRVers in existence, which is shared among the qualified and authorized CRV schools and companies and the non-profit Assigned Witness Program, and allows them to share their best resources with each other for the most benefit to all.

CRV was originally developed for use by the US government and military, and was, in fact, used successfully by the US military and other government agencies from the mid 1970’s through the early 1990’s for espionage purposes. It has proven ,under fire, to be both useful and effective as an information-collection tool.

The History of the U.S. Government’s Psychic Spying program.

Early 1970s The US government realized that the Russians had a psychic spying program – and realized that, in spite of all expectations, it worked.

Mid 1970s Project SCANATE was formed, in which the government identified people within the government who had the best natural psychic talents and tasked them with spying on US secrets.

1978 PROJECT GONDOLA WISH started, in which the members of the U.S. psychic spying team were tasked against foreign targets.

Late 1982 The US Army Intelligence and Security Command (USAINSCOM) took the project and changed the name to PROJECT CENTER LANE. At this time, there was a drive to both rid the project of the “psychic” image, and to create a methodology which would allow anyone to be trained to do the job. Ingo Swann and scientists at Stanford Research International (SRI) formulated Coordinate (Controlled) Remote Viewing (CRV), which was used for training “non-psychic” military and civilian personnel, with great success. The accuracy and reliability factor of the unit rose to the highest of all US intelligence-collection units. During this time, operations included tracking foreign scientific developments, political plans and intentions, and military operations.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 02:55 PM
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Apr 1984 The Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) took responsibility for operations and renamed it PROJECT SUN STREAK. Prior operations continued, but the political events also required the development of specialized methods for tracking of and “mental communications” with political hostages. With the virtual cessation of such activities, around 1990-1991, the unit began to change in nature. Two remote viewers were replaced with a tarot card reader and an “automatic writer”. Other remote viewers left the unit through retirement and natural attrition, and were not replaced.

1992 The CIA took charge of the project and renamed it PROJECT STAR GATE. At this time, the “cold war” was essentially over, and the intelligence community was suffering severe financial and personnel cutbacks. The unit was cut back to one remote viewer, the tarot card reader and the “automatic writer”. The CIA decided to disband the project. A committee of two, a statistician and a “psychic debunker” were given the task of evaluating the project’s usefulness. They studied the unit’s work from 1990-1992. The statistician determined that there was sufficient statistical evidence to continue the project on an experimental basis, and the debunker declared that there was, indeed, statistical significance, which he took to mean that the science of statistics was as flawed as the science of parapsychology. As per the CIA’s original intent, the unit was disbanded.

Sep 1995 The existence of PROJECT STAR GATE was made known to the public.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 04:09 PM
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