Remote viewers: have you seen past 2012?, page 2

reply to post by xEphon

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Do you also know that Major Ed Dames was involved? That should give you a big
clue

reply to post by ugie1028

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please share. I have a current thread discussing the outrageous amounts of hatred and name calling here. If u can't share your experience here on ATS, then what is the site even for? Do your best to ignore the flames.

reply to post by Jalis

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This is a very interesting and important point you brought up. Yes, the info that comes through is subjective to the conscious mind. The way they get around that, to the greatest extent, is to have double blind tasking with a whole team of viewers. This was the MO of the military team. Let us all recognize that RV was and is a team effort. The viewers would write out the info they received. An analyst (also blind) would take all of the data and look for correlations. The info that all viewers see is what is used. Sometimes they pay more attention to a certain viewers results when they appear to be dead on during a particular session. This team methodology is what allows the accuracy of the information to be around 85%.

reply to post by Enigma Publius

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check page one, on the bottom of the thread.

i gave my response, waiting on the flames!

reply to post by ugie1028

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Aouch. As I said, I'm very careful with what comes with remote viewing and predictions, not because I'm a skeptic, just because of the lack of accuracy inherent to these activities, especially when it comes to dreams.
I usually believe that 2012 will be a "godd" event, is there is a 2012. The worst will be 2010 - 2011 !
And that land you saw, was it only a place or did you have the feeling the whole planet ended up this way ?

reply to post by Jalis

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i was MILES above the earth when i saw this. it pretty much looked the same throughout.

for the accuracy of it? well im not saying im right, nor am i saying im wrong, just sharing the experience.

it was a pretty intense dream, and it was only maybe 5% of the whole picture, but that part of it was on topic here.

ive remote viewed my dads and best friends dads death. they both happened just like the dream, 24 hours apart, but a dejavu i had before my dad went down saved his life, and the realization of what was happening also saved my best friends dads life.

i don't take what i see seriously, but i do take notes on what i see, to see if there is any correlation between the dream and our current reality.

again, i shared more tidbits... where are the flames? i see them coming but don't know when!

reply to post by ugie1028

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No flames, but I will say that in the true sense you were not remote viewing. Visions in trance state are just that. It does not mean they are not accurate, it's just not remote viewing. RV has strict protocols which is why accuracy is better that individual predictions.

I heard something similar to what you are describing. However, you have only seen half of the event.

There is going to be a great shift. In essence the Earth will move up a dimension. There will be two Earths, one in this dimension and one in the next. This shift, or graduation, will have a great negative impact on the present Earth including many Earth changes. This will be due to most of the energy leaving with the upshifting Earth. It is like a butterfly leaving behind a broken shell. When the alignment occurs a great amount of 'new' energy will be allowed to flow into the Earth like connecting the dots and plugging into a vast spiritual energy from the center of the universe. This will amplify the positive/negative polarity we are so familiar with today. The positive energies, and those who are aligned with it will be moving up to the 5th dimension and the negative vibrations will remain stagnant. Even today the magnetic field protecting the Earth from the energy of the universe and solar radiation is very faint and still dropping to allow this.

So, there are great things in store for the new Earth. The veil will be diminished.

Also be aware that when you are in trance or astral traveling the veil is absent. You can travel time, dimensions, and even parallel worlds/reality. What you see is not always THIS reality but another parallel reality. Discernment and recognition of this is key.

[edit on 14-10-2009 by Spirit Warrior 11:11]

reply to post by Spirit Warrior 11:11

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exactly!

i was about to elaborate some more regarding that, but i wanted to stay on topic.

imagine 2 plates coming together, and then touching. imagine the ability to be able to cross over to this other plate.

if this were to happen, a wormhole or something like that, you'd be able to cross over into a higher dimension, which would leave the earth in ruins in this dimension.

if you understood what i said, ill explain a bit more, but im no expert on this.

i had these dreams/visions way before i knew about 2012 stories. these were back when i was a teen, and blind to the outside world.

Originally posted by ugie1028
reply to post by Jalis

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ive remote viewed my dads and best friends dads death. they both happened just like the dream, 24 hours apart, but a dejavu i had before my dad went down saved his life, and the realization of what was happening also saved my best friends dads life.

This is EXACTLY what I meant. Free will makes any 100% accurate prediction impossible. It's because you predicted their death that it didn't happen. I think you see my point. The future is made of possibilities, some of them being more likely than others. And from what I see everyday, the possibility of your apocalyptic dream is not to be negliged. Until the nukes are over our heads, it's never too late to make things change.
Or maybe your dream was more like a symbol. Something meant to wake you up, either for the sake of your personnal life or for the sake of mankind. Dreams interpretation is such a hard subject...
Just understand that it's not my disbelief that makes me trying to contradict you, only my hope for a brighter tomorrow ! I assume you are no liar, just pointing out other possibilities about what you saw.
Anyway, when the flames come, you have my word I'll help defending you !


Subsidiary question : do you think zombies were involved in that post apocalyptic Earth ? Just in case...

Originally posted by Nichiren
reply to post by HighEye

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You say "real remote viewing"? It is a bogus field with a lot of charlatans trying to sell you books and seminars.

I can take it seriously when a RV practitioner solves one (1) child abduction case.

From what I seen of remote viewing, they show things that, although are quite accurate, are not really helpful in location.
For instance...lets say you are trying to find little Tommy thats been missing...a remote viewer may see a tree, a small cave, hear some water, see a squirrel, feel his leg broken, and be feeling scared and alone...

Great, little tommy is lost in the woods taking shelter in a cave and either sharing it with a squirrel, or he has since eaten a squirrel...he also may have a injured leg.

that narrows it down to every forest in the world...not overly helpful.
now, later on, someone might stumble across little tommy, and he may indeed have been lost in the woods, in a cave, having squirrelburgers near a stream when found...and RVing may then be checked off perfectly, but the session didnt find the kid..come to find out it doesnt really work like google maps where you can zoom out and see addresses.

So, what your doing is putting conditions on something that may or may not be valid...like me saying I wont believe a GPS works until it tells me who is going to be at the destination I am going to first..

Originally posted by milkmustache
or perhaps even aliens dropping an alien engineered weapon of mass destruction so they can continue with their agenda to aid and harvest a humanoid species on a habitable planet

Shhh... That's a part of a sci-fi book I'm planning to write !


I understand your point, but the difference between then and now is that in the past, people did not have such things as nuclear or biological weapons. 1945 must be the greatest shift in mankind's history since the discovery of fire : it was the first time we could whipe ourselves off the face of the world. And also, we've never been 6 billions (7 in 2012 if things go "as planned", without major war or anything like that). Of courses, there have been many changes in the Earth's climate, but none has ever been as fast as the ones we may cause. Also, no massive extinction happened because of one single specie.

I also recommend you to read this :
www.ascentofhumanity.com...
It's a very interresting book about the evolution of mankind. And no "end of times" predictions.

reply to post by Jalis

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LOL

omg wow zombies... YES!!! (inserts sarcasm here)

your right so far, regarding the stages of me waking up.

ive had these premonition dreams all my life, and i am a firm believer of string theory. all possibilities are held within the 5th dimension. the same electron is resonating on the 5th dimension. each one of us has this same electron flowing through timelessness, creating our reality as we travel through the 4th dimension. (time)

it was also a possible that i didn't realize my dreams importance, and my dad would of died, and same with my best friends dad. its the fact i took it seriously that changed the outcome.

ill leave you with a bit more of the story.

my dad had 2 ulcers in his stomach, he lost 2/3rds of his hemoglobin and his BP was next to none when the ambulance arrived.

my best friends dad died of a heart attack, i told my friend about the dream 3 weeks before this all happened. (in an email) i told him my dad was in the hosp, he watched over his pops. he didn't even mention my dad was in the hospital. i told him not to, because i didn't want to add stress to his father.

his father however had sharp pains in his chest, he thought it was indigestion. my friend wasn't taking any chances, and called an ambulance to take him in. on the way to the hospital his heart stopped 3 times!!!! (was in ICU for about a week)

its premonitions like these that make you feel maybe you can influence things, and be able to view the future, or remote view to a current location.... but at least to me since i was directly affected.

ALSO im glad you have my back, thanks

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