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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 11:06 AM by oneclickaway
reply to post by maybereal11



I can't provide any evidence to demonstrate he was born anywhere besides where his authenticated BC says he was,


No birth certificate has been authenticated at all...none, nada, zilch. Hawaii has said that they retain his vital records. They also erroneously shot their mouths off and are furiously backtracking about 'natural born' comments...and other 'errors' in their statements. Still, you just carry on believeing what you wish to believe.


reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 12:07 PM by Nichiren
reply to post by Angus123



Angus123,

I voted for Obama, because IMHO he was the better choice for the US. Palin was and is simply un-electable.

But, here's the kicker, Obama was also a big advocate for transparency and that's where he's failing miserably on several fronts.

To my knowledge, and please give me a link if I'm wrong, he has never shown the long form BC. We know it does exist, because Hawaii officials saw it, but now it is under lock and key. Why my friend, why ...?

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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 12:15 PM by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by j2000
You know full well that they sued for less and provided nothing.


You're wrong. I don't remember any lawsuits around it. I was not interested in it at the time. I asked for links so I could educate myself about these lawsuits you speak of.


You wanted links, I gave you links.


Well, they still don't work. And I'm not inclined to discuss this further with anyone who calls me a liar. I don't need this. You're the one with a point to make. I couldn't care less what you believe, I was just trying to be fair. If you want to continue to make it personal and accuse me of lying, then I'll just forget about the Kerry/Bush thing. It's irrelevant anyway.

Originally posted by Avenginggecko
Here is an article on snopes that contains an interview with someone who remembers Obama's birth.


Wow, thanks for the link. I didn't know that! And I'm not lying.

Originally posted by Angus123
White house gag order? Source?


It's all
hearsay. Some media heads told their people not to bring it up (supposedly) and the story morphed into "gag orders" from the "White House". Neither of which is true. That's how these fantastical stories get made.

Originally posted by Nichiren
To my knowledge, and please give me a link if I'm wrong, he has never shown the long form BC. We know it does exist, because Hawaii officials saw it, but now it is under lock and key. Why my friend, why ...?


Why? Obama's birth certificate is the property of the Hawaii Dept of Health. And just as every other birth certificate owned by the Hawaii Dept of Health, it is not available for public perusal. It's a private document. It is no more "under lock and key" than any other birth certificate in their possession.



reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 12:25 PM by Rhetoric
reply to post by Nichiren



I believe I read somewhere that there are no more "long forms", and the ones that did exist before the switch are on microfiche now.
Hawaii has taken the stand that these records are not available to the public, for anyone.

Now I agree that all Obama would have to do is produce it, but I really doubt that it would end the conspiracy, because then it would be all about

"if it's real, why did he wait so long?"

And for the sake of argument, if he does this, then what's next, introducing the pastor that baptized him to the media to prove that he's not a "secret muslim"?

To be honest, I'm not entirely happy with some of the things he's done, and not done, like repealing the Patriot Act, but the more time spent making static about non-issues like this, only make it more difficult to plow through the silly to get to the substantive.


reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 12:31 PM by habfan1968
Originally posted by SaturnFX
You know...I was thinking, do we even know if Obama is a male? I mean, there was stories out of how he tried bisexuality in his college days, what if he was actually a female

the long birth certificate would clear this up of course, alternatively, he could simply release pictures of his weener.
Sure, we are told he has children, but why hasnt he released DNA samples of himself and his children to prove this?

Also...we know he smoked the plant, but there is also stories of how he did harder stuff, like coke.. how do we know he isnt a major colombian kenyan drug lord that has been planted here.

Obama needs to release his DNA, his childrens DNA, pics of his wang, and a entire GPS tracking history of all his movements since the age of 1 month...is this too much to ask? I think not...else, he probably is all these things (a transsexual colombian druglord) until proven otherwise...I hope Orly is taking notes for her next session in the courts.


Proving without a doubt that he is a natural born citizen is a requirement of the constitution and therefore must be satisfied when challenged. Once satisfied then all this nonsense can go away and they can look for some other cause to champion. You are sticking with the notion he should not have to produce the long form BC because it is a private document but he really should as it is the only real proof. The latest case in California has a chance to have the POTUS produce this document where it will be examined and this will be put to rest once and for all, but it must be done to satisfy the Constitution.


reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 12:35 PM by kozmo



BS - THERE WAS NO TROLLING INVOLVED!!!

Way to warn me twice for the same post - ATS is officially

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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 12:43 PM by pyrytyes
reply to post by jimmyx



"c'mon...you'll never believe Obama was born in this country...so...there is no arguement...no discussion...you birthers are just being ignored, even by your own party."

I submit that this thread and the responses show otherwise.
This is fun to some people, but the constant rehash, from both sides is past getting stale.


reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 12:48 PM by PowerSlave
Oh yay! another BC thread!

Its like a car accident, its horrific but I just can't look away.

Here is the part I cannot grasp about this whole situation.

For those who want to see this thing through, as in transparency, the release or lifted sealing of the long form. I understand this point of view.

1. People just hate the guy
2. People want the transparency that was promised. Obama a man of his word?

3. People who are suspicious, and with good reason, those who choose to question everything their government says, does or represents especially in a country on the verge of implosion. Why is everything sealed? After 8 years of Bush, if people did not question government/president then, then they should certainly be at the very least questioning everything now.

4. People who were listening and watching when any information became available about the man who would become president. His associations, his friends, his church, his family, his political leanings, his political records, his education, everything. There was enough in all of this to cause further investigation into certain areas. Much of it sealed or stopped in its tracks and left alone by the MSM.... Why, enquiring minds want to know.


As for the point of view on the other side. Why do some defend him to the "death" so to speak?

1. Well I really can't think of anything. Ok, lets say... he is president and should be respected so stop the madness.

2. Ok heres another...... People just really really like him.



The long form issue should have been handled the same as Mccains. Released to avoid further issues. Granted he legally may have had some trouble in the "courts" proving his eligibility but at least he put his BC out there as though he had nothing to hide.


reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 12:49 PM by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by Rhetoric
To be honest, I'm not entirely happy with some of the things he's done, and not done, like repealing the Patriot Act, but the more time spent making static about non-issues like this, only make it more difficult to plow through the silly to get to the substantive.


I agree 100%! There are actual issues like the health care bill and what's going on with big Pharma to be concerned about. I often wonder if this whole BC thing is being driven by some Obama supporter organization because it keeps so many people from looking into real issues.

Hawaii still has his long form on paper. That's the information I have found out. The microfiche story was yet another morph, I believe.

Originally posted by habfan1968
Proving without a doubt that he is a natural born citizen is a requirement of the constitution and therefore must be satisfied when challenged.


Can I ask what legal standing this statement has?

For all we know, Nancy Pelosi has seen his long form. And based on that, she signed
this document, stating:


"THIS IS TO CERTIFY that at the National Convention of the Democrat Party of the United States of America, held in Denver, Colorado on August 25 though 28, 2008, the following were duly nominated as candidates of said Party for President and Vice President of the United States respectively and that the following candidates for President and Vice President of the United States are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution."


You are sticking with the notion he should not have to produce the long form BC because it is a private document but he really should as it is the only real proof.


Actually, the short form is proof, too. The information on a short form BC is extracted directly from the long form. It's just been claimed to be a fake.

but it must be done to satisfy the Constitution.


Actually, it will be to satisfy the birthers (and it will fail). The Constitution and most of the country, are already satisfied.


reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 12:50 PM by oneclickaway
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic




It's all hearsay. Some media heads told their people not to bring it up (supposedly) and the story morphed into "gag orders" from the "White House". Neither of which is true. That's how these fantastical stories get made.


You have no idea whatsoever that it is not true.


Why? Obama's birth certificate is the property of the Hawaii Dept of Health. And just as every other birth certificate owned by the Hawaii Dept of Health, it is not available for public perusal. It's a private document. It is no more "under lock and key" than any other birth certificate in their possession.


I seriously doubt that Hawaii ‘owns’ anyone’s certificate, or that it is their ‘property‘. They may have a legal and administrative duty to hold securely the birth certificates of those born on their soil, plus the adoptee’s records, plus the self certified alleged certifications, but they certainly do not ‘own’ them.
And when a disclosure order is granted and if they find that Hawaii does not have the certificate they say they have, they should be prosecuted and all of them fired.

So, it is such a private document that Factcheck obtained a short form certificate, fake obviously, but in that fairy tale that is being told, they had no trouble obtaining such a private document? If you are now going to say that Obama ordered that to be shown (which is doubtful as it was fake, and at the very least meaningless) then that puts paid to any argument about his right to privacy in not showing his long form, as he has already forfeited that right by showing the meaningless COLB.
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