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Topic started on 13-10-2009 @ 07:43 PM by adrenochrome
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An investigation of the 9/11 events by a Russian-American journalist and a father of a 9/11 victim implicates the US government in the attacks.
ALEX PROKOP (Jarek Kupsc), a successful journalist, receives a rare 9/11 video tape revealing new information about the attack. The footage was sent
by PAUL COOPER (Joseph Culp), a driven researcher, whose daughter died on 9/11. Sensing a good story, Prokop travels with Cooper to New York and
Washington, DC, where they uncover suppressed information implicating the US Government in the attacks. As Cooper introduces Prokop to key
eye-witnesses, the façade of the "official story" begins to crumble. Prokop hears accounts of underground explosions in the Twin Towers moments
before their collapse and discovers that the firm providing WTC security was run by the President's brother.
We follow Alex and Cooper as they investigate the inexplicable collapse of the 47-story WTC Building Seven, disprove the implausible airliner
"attack" on the Pentagon, and uncover the illegal destruction of physical evidence from Ground Zero.
The pressure builds as the FBI intimidates Alex's editor, McGUIRE, (Lisa Black) to reveal key sources – while the magazine's corporate investors
threaten to kill the entire story. Plagued by the ghosts of his Communist childhood and trying to uphold the independence of American journalism,
Alex's search for the truth leads to a dangerous and shocking realization!
THE REFLECTING POOL is an intense, sobering investigation into the most controversial tragedy of our time. Drawn from established sources and based on
verifiable facts, THE REFLECTING POOL is a thought-provoking study of a search for truth and the profound consequences of not looking for it any
further than the nightly news.
www.reflectingpoolfilm.com...
well here it is... i've heard nothing but rave reviews over this film, but i've also heard that it is based on some misinformation, too...
you be the judge - let me know what you think... i'm going to watch it as soon as i can make the time between taking care of my new son and looking
for a job!
www.imdb.com...
by the way, there's already an existing thread about this from over a year ago, but i was afraid that if i posted the video in there it would get
buried within it only to never be seen. Mods, i'll understand if you close and revert this thread, but at least make it so the video is embedded in
the OP in the original thread...
"The Reflecting Pool": 911 Conspiracies Hits the Big Screen!
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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 08:59 PM by leo123
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Hmmm - the vid doesn't work.?
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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 09:18 PM by Quazze
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The video doesn't work for me either. Two lines.
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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 09:58 PM by Smokey420
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Good film... Pretty much presents all the evidence most people here have already dug up. Including how there are wackjobs out there making up nonsense
(holograms) to make smart truthers look foolish. In the end it basically tells people who don't believe the official lie that no matter what evidence
they dig up there will be someone out there who will stop them. Even if something goes to print or film, they will be mocked by the MSM and eventually
black listed. It's actually a sad movie.
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 01:13 AM by mike dangerously
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Coolness,great find! S&F for you!  I am watching this right now so far I like it,it complements Who Killed John O'Neil perfectly.
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 08:28 AM by adrenochrome
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to be honest, i have no idea why the video doesn't work... i pasted the correct video ID in there...
just click on "Google Video Link"
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 12:58 PM by ipsedixit
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I tried to embed but I'm stumped.
Sometimes by going to Google UK I have solved difficulties embedding google videos, but not this time. Sorry.
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 01:02 PM by Insolubrious
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It's been out for ages on gvid!
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reply posted on 15-10-2009 @ 07:12 PM by adrenochrome
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well sorry guys, but the video is no longer available all of a sudden.......
you may can find interviews from it though if you do a little hunting on your own:
video.google.com...
good luck...
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reply posted on 15-10-2009 @ 09:38 PM by Swampfox46_1999
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You do realize that the second paragraph of the "synopsis" contains a lie right? Is that an indication of the accuracy of the whole film?
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reply posted on 15-10-2009 @ 09:44 PM by impressme
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reply posted on 15-10-2009 @ 09:55 PM by Swampfox46_1999
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discovers that the firm providing WTC security was run by the President's brother.
Thats an out and out lie. One that has been shown to be a lie many, many times over on ATS.
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reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 03:39 AM by impressme
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He sat on the board of directors, I believe he would have the power to give orders prove me wrong.
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reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 04:01 AM by tezzajw
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Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by adrenochrome
You do realize that the second paragraph of the "synopsis" contains a lie right? Is that an indication of the accuracy of the whole
film?
Swampfox, did you bother to read this comment in the OP?
Originally posted by adrenochrone
well here it is... i've heard nothing but rave reviews over this film, but i've also heard that it is based on some misinformation, too...
you be the judge - let me know what you think... i'm going to watch it as soon as i can make the time between taking care of my new son and looking
for a job!
Obviously you didn't, otherwise you wouldn't have asked the OP the question that you did.
After you've watched the film, you can report to us how accurate you think it is. Until then, your unfounded speculation about the whole film is
pointless. Let us know how many errors you spot - after you've watched it, ok?
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reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 04:27 AM by scott3x
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reply to post by Swampfox46_1999
Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Originally posted by impressme
discovers that the firm providing WTC security was run by the President's brother.
Thats an out and out lie. One that has been shown to be a lie many, many times over on ATS.
It's only an oversimplification. The movie itself is more nuanced, making it clear that while Marvin
Bush was indeed on the board of directors of Securacom, which later changed its name to Stratesec, but he left before 9/11, in 2000 to be
precise. This doesn't mean he didn't have time to do some things to the Twin Towers while he was there; he joined
Securacom in 1996 after all. There is much more to the story as well. Wirt Walker, who is a distant
relative of George Herbert Walker Bush (George W. Bush's father), was head of the company. His
wikipedia entry has been deleted, allegedly because he was a "[p]rivate businessman with
extremely few reliable sources, questionable notability.", and finishing off with that catch all dismissal, "Most material found online is from
conspiracy websites."
However, there are still some articles out there about him. Here's an excerpt from one of reporter Margie Burns' articles,
Trimming the Bushes - Family Business at the Watergate, published in the
Washington Spectator:
TIGHT LINKS—The boards and shareholders of the three companies—the investment firm KuwAm, the security company Stratesec, and the aircraft
company Aviation General—were tightly connected. Walker, a director at all three companies, was at various times CEO and chairman of the board at
Stratesec while at the same time managing director at KuwAm, including when Stratesec hired KuwAm for corporate secretarial services at $2,500 a
month. Stratesec, which was de-listed on the American Stock Exchange in the fall of 2002 and went bankrupt, also paid Walker $130,500 annually for
consulting, according to its quarterly filings. Both Stratesec and Aviation General are bankrupt now, and KuwAm has relocated its headquarters from
the Watergate to Walker's home in McLean, Virginia, a Washington suburb.
Mishal Al Sabah, son of the former Emir of Kuwait and ex-son-in-law of the current Emir, also served on the boards of both KuwAm and Stratesec and
sometimes as chairman of KuwAm. Walker and Al Sabah were major shareholders in both companies. According to interviews Walker has given, their close
relationship began when Al Sabah came to America at age 15. When Al Sabah turned 21, he invested in Walker's companies, including KuwAm, where
another Al Sabah relative also served on the board.
There's also some info on Marvin Bush's involvement in the same article:
Marvin P. Bush, the youngest brother of George W. Bush and a director of Stratesec, was reelected annually to his directorship there, near the
Saudi Arabian Airlines offices. In 2002, the companies moved their shareholders meetings to the Watergate's Suite 500, held by the Kuwaiti
embassy.
Aviation General was founded in the early 1980s as Commander Aircraft. It manufactured and sold private planes to international clients. Stratesec was
founded as Securacom (formerly the engineering firm Burns and Roe Securacom). It was reinvented shortly after the first Gulf War, and thereafter
marketed large security contracts to big clients, including the World Trade Center, Washington's Reagan National Airport and Dulles International
Airport, various municipalities and airlines.
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reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 07:25 AM by Insolubrious
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Here's a couple of my favourite clips from the film (excluding the interview with Silverstein's staff)
If these are accurately based on a true event, they are particularly interesting.
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reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 08:58 AM by ipsedixit
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I started to watch this video before it was yanked from the web and I was quite impressed. It is a "docudrama" so I was apprehensive that it might
turn out to be like "Who Killed John O'Neal", very good on the documentary side but hampered by lame drama.
I got far enough into it to realize that on the drama side, it is at least, professionally done. Joseph Culp, son of Robert Culp (of "I Spy" fame
and other stuff), who plays the father of someone killed in the WTC, is a very pleasant discovery for me. He is an excellent actor and gives a very
credible and nuanced portrayal of the father wanting to find out who killed his daughter, by researching 9/11. Others in the cast that I did see,
toward the biginning of the video because that's all I saw, were competent, at about "daytime soap" skill level, as actors.
I have to watch this film. If the rest is as good as what I saw, they are smart to keep it off the web and look for TV stations to run it. If it has
the goods on the documentary side and maintains the acting level as at the start of the film, this could be an important breakthrough presentation of
material that truthers have been trying to get across for a while.
I really want to see the whole film, not so much to get new info, as to see if this might be a reasonable riposte to a film like United 93.
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reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 09:22 AM by scott3x
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Originally posted by Insolubrious
If these are accurately based on a true event, they are particularly interesting.
For starters, there is no reporter I could find named Alex Prokov. As you probably know, the movie says at the beginning that some of the names have
been changed, however, leaving the possibility open that there was a reporter by a different name who did what Alex Prokov did. Honestly though, I
think that if someone could be said to be Alex Prokov, it would have to be the actor who played that character himself, who also wrote and directed
the film. This doesn't mean that he didn't incorporate the work of other reporters and in essence became something of a montage of various reporters
who found out various things. If you want to be more sure of the reality base, however, I'd stick to the things that the various characters say.
Personally, I only know of 1 reporter who reported on building 7, James Glanz, in his New York Times article
Engineers Suspect Diesel Fuel in Collapse of 7 World Trade Center. However, unlike
the reporter depicted in your clip, James Glanz has done rather well for himself concerning what happened on 9/11, writing a book on the subject no
less, City in the Sky - The Rise and Fall of the World Trade Center. James
Glanz, in particular, has since his stories concerning 9/11 first broke out, moved far up in the New York Times;
Wikipedia states that in 2007, he was appointed as Baghdad bureau chief of The New York Times.
Because of this, I'm guessing that Alex Prokov is perhaps speaking of another journalist that I may have not heard about.
I mean, sites like whatreallyhappened.com, in its article Larry Silverstein, WTC 7, and the
9/11 Demolition obtained their facts from many reports, which they've linked to, although the internet being what it is, some of those links
are now dead.
As to your second link, I haven't heard of a reporter personally interviewing the guy in question, but I -have- heard of people asking demolition
experts the types of questions concerning what the term "pull it" means in the demolition industry and getting similar answers.
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reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 09:33 AM by scott3x
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I managed to see the whole thing before it was, as you say, wiped off the web ;-), and I thought it was quite good. It's won 2 awards as can be seen
from their site:
www.reflectingpoolfilm.com...
You can be buy it online there for 20$, with shipping included if it's sent to a US address.
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reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 06:30 PM by Swampfox46_1999
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And you fall prey to another lie. Wirt Walker, is NOT related to the Bush family. If you do a little bit more research on Ms. Burns you will see
that she was wrong.
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