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I just wanted to show how freeing slaves didn't play as big a part in the civil war as most people think.
Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens said that slavery was the chief cause of secession in his Cornerstone Speech shortly before the war. After Confederate defeat, Stephens became one of the most ardent defenders of the Lost Cause. There was a striking contrast between Stephens' post-war states' rights assertion that slavery did not cause secession and his pre-war Cornerstone Speech. Confederate President Jefferson Davis also switched from saying the war was caused by slavery to saying that states' rights was the cause. While Southerners often used states' rights arguments to defend slavery, sometimes roles were reversed, as when Southerners demanded national laws to defend their interests with the Gag Rule and the Fugitive Slave Law of 1850. On these issues, it was Northerners who wanted to defend the rights of their states.
Abraham Lincoln said, "this question of Slavery was more important than any other; indeed, so much more important has it become that no other national question can even get a hearing just at present."[
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Originally posted by plumranch
reply to post by Nosred
Abraham Lincoln attacked the confederate states without declaring war first,
The south was part of the then United States. Why would the president declare war on itself. How exactly would that happen?
Because there are concepts such as treason and sedition for a reason I assume.
Originally posted by Nosred
Now before you start arguing over slavery take this into consideration; Lincoln was a self proclaimed racist who didn't believe in equal rights. He didn't want to free slaves out of the kindness of his heart, he viewed it as a war tactic. He thought if he freed slaves it would result in an uprising from past slaves that would weaken the confederacy. The primary cause of the civil war was disputes over land.
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
So this has been since the civial War lets count int up shall we i count 8 Dem Presidents 7 Repub Presidents
So um who is the War Mongers?
The south succeeded legally
He invaded his own country
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Originally posted by Nosred
You might be surprised to know that one of countries most beloved presidents was indeed a war criminal. Abraham Lincoln attacked the confederate states without declaring war first
First off get your time line correct. Who attacked whom first?
Time Line of The Civil War
January 1861 -- The South Secedes.
When Abraham Lincoln, a known opponent of slavery, was elected president, the South Carolina legislature perceived a threat. Calling a state convention, the delegates voted to remove the state of South Carolina from the union known as the United States of America. The secession of South Carolina was followed by the secession of six more states -- Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas -- and the threat of secession by four more -- Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina. These eleven states eventually formed the Confederate States of America.
February 1861 -- The South Creates a Government.
At a convention in Montgomery, Alabama, the seven seceding states created the Confederate Constitution, a document similar to the United States Constitution, but with greater stress on the autonomy of each state. Jefferson Davis was named provisional president of the Confederacy until elections could be held.
February 1861 -- The South Seizes Federal Forts.
When President Buchanan -- Lincoln's predecessor -- refused to surrender southern federal forts to the seceding states, southern state troops seized them. At Fort Sumter, South Carolina troops repulsed a supply ship trying to reach federal forces based in the fort. The ship was forced to return to New York, its supplies undelivered.
March 1861 -- Lincoln's Inauguration.
At Lincoln's inauguration on March 4, the new president said he had no plans to end slavery in those states where it already existed, but he also said he would not accept secession. He hoped to resolve the national crisis without warfare.
April 1861 -- Attack on Fort Sumter.
When President Lincoln planned to send supplies to Fort Sumter, he alerted the state in advance, in an attempt to avoid hostilities. South Carolina, however, feared a trick; the commander of the fort, Robert Anderson, was asked to surrender immediately. Anderson offered to surrender, but only after he had exhausted his supplies. His offer was rejected, and on April 12, the Civil War began with shots fired on the fort. Fort Sumter eventually was surrendered to South Carolina.
[edit on 13-10-2009 by SLAYER69]
Originally posted by A52FWY
Like someone already posted, Lincoln faced a complex constitutional issue over the 10th amendment known as state rights. However once there was a secession, was the constitution applicable? I think he moved on to the issue of saving the union and he could then deal with the north's abolition sentiments.
I have read Carl Sandburg's work on Lincoln and Lincoln was widely criticized in his day. At the opening of the war one quarter of the US army surrendered before any battles. He worked through the frustrations of the US military to get the war moving. Perhaps freeing the slaves was a tactic, but it also was the moral thing to do.
So an imperfect man preserved the union and ended the institution of slavery in the south.
Lincoln came up with the fiat currency, greenbacks, which aided in the expansion of government spending to finance the war.
The union split because the balance of power had shifted from the south to the north. When the south no longer ran the country, they lost interest in being part of it. They wanted to keep slavery going.
It's hard to imagine the south giving up on slavery without force. Then again, industrialization made slavery obsolete and it lost comparative advantages.
[edit on 14-10-2009 by A52FWY]