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Topic started on 13-10-2009 @ 05:44 PM by kiwifoot

How sad. I know that Islam preaches an eye for an eye, but this boy was just 17 when this happened.

UN HUMAN RIGHTS CHIEF CRITICIZES LATEST EXECUTION OF JUVENILE OFFENDER IN IRAN

GENEVA – The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said Tuesday she was deeply dismayed to hear that another juvenile offender was executed in the Islamic Republic of Iran on Sunday, and called for changes to Iranian law and practice “to end execution of juvenile offenders once and for all.”

She also said she had serious concerns about the death sentences recently handed down to three individuals for their involvement in the protests that took place after Iran’s recent Presidential election.

Behnoud Shojaie, who was executed on Sunday, had been convicted of the murder of another boy in a street fight when both were 17 years old. Both the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights and UN special rapporteurs had raised his case with the Iranian authorities, reminding them of their international obligation not to execute juveniles.

Or am I wrong to judge another countries laws by those which I live under?

I am open to arguments there fellow ATSers.

I hate to call other countries barbaric, bit in this instance, the shoe fits.

Even under Shari-ah law, the death penalty can be avoided by making reparations to the family of the deceased, so it isn't like it is a mandatory death sentence. Imagine how scared this kid must have been.

A personal view of Sharia

Murder

Sharia law for murder allows the death penalty, but is kinder than western law in one respect - after judicial judgement has been made, appeals are then allowed to the family of the murdered victims, and they are begged to be merciful. In Islam, it is always regarded as the height of mercy to forgive a murderer, even though one may have the right to take his/her life in reprisal.

Anyway, some of you may feel that justice was done, me? I think that as in the West, sometimes the law really lacks all common sense.

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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 05:59 PM by clay2 baraka

reply to post by kiwifoot

Wow!

You learn something new every day... In Iran, the age of majority (adulthood) for males is age 15.

According to them, he was not a juvenile. 15... Wow.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 06:01 PM by Tmd111

BUT...There was just another thread that claimed Iran was a great and beutiful place!!!

I love this site.

reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 06:11 PM by john124

reply to post by Tmd111

Iran is a great and wonderful place in terms of culture and the majority of people. But not the government of course.

reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 06:13 PM by Aggie Man

I'm not for the death penalty, but given that it exists...I see no problem with the execution. The kid killed another human being w/o cause. Furthermore, the "juvenile" was 17 at the time of the offense. Most states here in the US allow a 17 y.o. to be tried as an adult. The term "Juvenile" is subjective and adulthood is decided by the laws of each country/state/territory. I would be willing to bet that 17 is an adult in Iran...I mean, if poeple in the middle east see no problem with treating a little girl as a woman (forced/arranged marriages), then certainly this young man qualifies as a "man".

reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 06:13 PM by john124

reply to post by clay2 baraka

Yes, but they also allow 9 year old girls to be married and the marriage consumated. In fact marriage is legal at age 3, but consumation not until age 9!

Executing a 17 yr old breaks international law, as he's not a recognised adult at the time of his supposed crime. The family members who testified are rumoured to have being mislead in the trial. But that's not uncommon either.

reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 06:20 PM by JJay55

This instance is just a small example of the constant murder in Islam under Sharia Law. 57 Countries in the IOC are under Sharia Law and Islam is spreading at an alarming rate in Africa, Asia and the EU.
www.thereligionofpeace.com has many more examples.

There are also many instances in the US where Sharia Law is demanded. We also have honor killings going on right here in the US. More and more apologists for America are bowing down to Islam and allowing Sharia Law to happen in the US. We should have zero tolerance!!!

reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 06:50 PM by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by kiwifoot
How sad. I know that Islam preaches an eye for an eye, but this boy was just 17 when this happened...
Or am I wrong to judge another countries laws by those which I live under?...
I hate to call other countries barbaric, bit in this instance, the shoe fits.

You might be interested in this:

5-4 Supreme Court Abolishes Juvenile ExecutionsThe Supreme Court abolished capital punishment for juvenile offenders yesterday, ruling 5 to 4 that it is unconstitutional to sentence anyone to death for a crime he or she committed while younger than 18.

As of yesterday, 20 states, including Virginia, permitted the death penalty for offenders younger than 18. That is five fewer than allowed the practice in 1989. www.washingtonpost.com...

This dates back to 2005.

Then there's this issue:

Mentally Retarded Man Facing Texas Execution Draws Wide Attention
Even on death row, Johnny Paul Penry is an outcast, shunned by other inmates because of his mental retardation. Mr. Penry, whose I.Q. has been tested by state authorities at 56, spends his days coloring with crayons and looking at comic books he cannot read, his lawyers say. He says he still believes in Santa Claus. Now, after 20 years on death row, he is scheduled to be executed on Thursday by lethal injection. www.deathpenaltyinfo.org...

Year 2000...what can I tell ya?

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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 06:58 PM by kiwifoot

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

Well mate, I have to take my hat off, I had no idea.

But I think that having it in law that an 18 year old can be executed, and a judge actually giving it out are two different things.

You know, it's probably handy to have it in case an 18 year old lets off a nuclear weapon in downtown LA, but if an 18 year old kills a friend in a fight, i doubt the death penalty would be applied. ( I may be wrong, I'm just thinking out loud!)

Thanks for bringing that to my attention!

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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 07:34 PM by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by kiwifoot
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

Well mate, I have to take my hat off, I had no idea.
But I think that having it in law that an 18 year old can be executed, and a judge actually giving it out are two different things.

I am satisfied with the fact that we no longer have capital punishment in Canada. That doesn't mean the judiciary system is all it could be...but we don't have so many mistakes on our collective conscience.

reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 07:37 PM by stevegmu

reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 07:40 PM by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by stevegmu
I don't believe it. According to many posts here, Iran is a veritable utopia. Don't they have a seat on the UN Human Rights Commission? Surely Jews are to blame for this disinformation. Or, perhaps the boy was an Israeli agent who sacrificed himself to make Iran look bad.

Ummm....I believe you'll find the Political Madness board that-a-way----->

No need to troll here, just because the word "Iran" came up.

reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 07:43 PM by stevegmu

reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 07:45 PM by JohnnyCanuck

reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 07:59 PM by YEAHHA

I see no problem with the execution. He killed someone else and was aware of the consequences. I don't see how someone who is 18 is any more mentally capable than someone who is 17. Shoot I think if eye for an eye was followed in the US we would have a lot less crime. Punishment should be more than just a slap on the wrist. If you steal someone's car and total it you should be made to repay them what they paid for the car or give them one that works of equal or greater value i.e. you steal someone's 96 civic and total it and you own a 05 benz they get your benz unless you can give them the same amount they paid for the civic.
Why should someone get away with murder just because they were 17 when they killed someone? They shouldn't. I am sure that MAN got a chance to make a plea to his victim's family but they didn't want to be merciful. He didn't give his victim a chance to plea for his life and decide to be merciful. He didn't let his victim live because the victim was 17. He deserved to be executed. Stars to Iran for this one.

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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 08:05 PM by badgerprints

Originally posted by john124

Executing a 17 yr old breaks international law,

This is part of the problem.

International law is an intrusion on the rights of the states.

Maybe the individual state has internal issues that need to be changed but the idea of international law interfering with the internal workings of domestic law in an individual country are going too far.

As far as the kid goes, he's a murderer and is an adult in the eyes of the law. He took that responsibility into his own hands and knew the consequences of his actions.

Why is it that the UN is so eager to defend murderers but doesn't seem to give a damn about big issues like stopping genocide ?

reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 07:32 AM by JJay55

Originally posted by YEAHHA
I see no problem with the execution. He killed someone else and was aware of the consequences. I don't see how someone who is 18 is any more mentally capable than someone who is 17. Shoot I think if eye for an eye was followed in the US we would have a lot less crime. Punishment should be more than just a slap on the wrist. If you steal someone's car and total it you should be made to repay them what they paid for the car or give them one that works of equal or greater value i.e. you steal someone's 96 civic and total it and you own a 05 benz they get your benz unless you can give them the same amount they paid for the civic.
Why should someone get away with murder just because they were 17 when they killed someone? They shouldn't. I am sure that MAN got a chance to make a plea to his victim's family but they didn't want to be merciful. He didn't give his victim a chance to plea for his life and decide to be merciful. He didn't let his victim live because the victim was 17. He deserved to be executed. Stars to Iran for this one.

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Most of the political protesters did not kill anyone. They simply confronted the Islamic Republic government. They were put in prisons and tortured and then hung.

Neda was a Christian and she was killed because of her religion in the same protests. A beautiful innocent Christian girl, like the Catholic school girls being slaughterted in Islamic countries after they are raped. Or the Irish priest who has been kidnapped because of his religion.
Wake up people, Islamic countries do not accept other religions and will kill those who are not muslims and go by their rules.

reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 08:00 AM by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by JJay55
Wake up people, Islamic countries do not accept other religions and will kill those who are not muslims and go by their rules.

ASide from that being a pretty large generality, would it not be better for the West to exert its influence among its Islamic allies? Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc?

Easy to condemn the villain of the month...tougher to create genuine change in areas where we have influence.

reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 03:05 PM by kiwifoot

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

I do understand where you're coming from, but I think it detracts from the real issue, a 17/18 year old boy being executed.

I don't think that anyone under the age of 20 should be counted as being %100 mature and an adult, to execute him, Jesus man, makes me so sad.

But that's just me bro!

reply posted on 15-10-2009 @ 08:57 AM by JJay55

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by JJay55
Wake up people, Islamic countries do not accept other religions and will kill those who are not muslims and go by their rules.

ASide from that being a pretty large generality, would it not be better for the West to exert its influence among its Islamic allies? Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc?

Easy to condemn the villain of the month...tougher to create genuine change in areas where we have influence.