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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 05:02 PM by ownbestenemy
reply to post by colec156



Wouldn't that also mean your government, along with Spain, Turkey, Pakistan, France, Germany, Australia, etc. went to war for oil? If the truth was so open about the only reason we took the steps towards war were for oil, how come those countries are still actively participating in the war?



reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 05:17 PM by colec156
reply to post by ownbestenemy



Why are those countries still there fighting the war. It is oil. The west is running out of it fast. The biggest supplies of oil are the Persian gulf and Russia.

the US and Europe can't invade Russia for oil, why ???? Russia has nukes to say get lost with.
Why do you think that the west does not want Iran to have nukes, Nukes can be used as a detterent to say bugger off with. While Iran only has conventional weapons the west has the upper hand if war does break out.

I know my country went to war on suspect terms, but I don't protest as I feel the writing is already on the wall for my country. This island that I still love is far beyond repair.

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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 05:25 PM by kettlebellysmith
reply to post by ownbestenemy


excellet reply oenbestenemy! It seems that the someone is always forgetting who is calling the kettle black! And it always seems that people forget who ended up carrying the water for them when Der Furher was bombing their country to smithereens.


edit for spelling(and still not sure)


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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 05:33 PM by colec156
reply to post by kettlebellysmith



Hey I don't deny that my country has gone to war on wrong intelligence and and an alternative motive.

Heck I will even hold my hand up, and say it was wrong, big business speaks volumes and oil underpins our economies.

Really I am not America bashing.

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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 05:36 PM by kettlebellysmith
reply to post by okamitengu

You, sir (or madam) make excellent points. But you forget that, without the help of the United States, the Afghanis would have been under the yoke of Soviet domination for a much longer time. Senator Charles Wilson pull a lot of strings and called a lot of political favors to get American weapons and training to the muhujadeen so they could make Soviet domination appear to be much less appealing. However, I fear my government (Republican and Democrat) has forgotten that "Afghanistan is the cemetary of empires." Attilla the Hun couldn't do it, and that has proven true through the centuries all the way to the Soviet Union. I fear the US will be the next to have their tombstone erected in that graveyard!


reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 05:47 PM by colec156
reply to post by kettlebellysmith



You are right about Afghanistan, even the British Empire failed there too.
Afghanistan has little to offer ( as far as I am aware off ). I wonder if the war there takes the heat of say our own countries.
We fight the taliban out there, many extremists leave our shores to go to Afghanistan to fight their holy war. The only difference being is they are facing out armed forces and not civilians on our streets.

Just an idea.


reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 01:43 AM by ownbestenemy
reply to post by colec156



Can you show me solid proof that the 'west' is running out of oil? Not peak oil theory either, I want to see hard statistics that we are running out of oil.

Also, I would like to see the source of Cheney's visit. I don't doubt it, I just don't take what people say here at face value. No offense ever intended.

It seems, the easiest way out of an argument or debate is to just start laying claims. I base all my thoughts on evidence, facts and verifiable facts at that.

Am I saying what the U.S. did was right? No. What I do find funny is that the authorization to use troops was provided by Congress, yet its Bush's war.

I could also argue that the United States, while not full military victory succeeded in Vietnam because the spread of communism was halted. Its all in what we see as victory I suppose.

And with that I am going to take my drunken butt to bed. Celebration of good news but just had to get on here and make a donkey of myself


reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 02:06 AM by Janky Red
reply to post by dreamseeker



I hope you had half the sense to call the same line and leave the same comment this time last year.
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