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posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
If someone tells you to jump off of a bridge are you going to do it?

[edit on 13/10/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]


No, but there is plenty of evidence that muslims do act on this sort of thing when they are told to.

- suicide bombers
- Salmon Rushdie
- the Danish cartoon incident.
etc., etc.


Suicide Bombers predate the Internet by decades.
The actual 'hard number' of suicide bombers is minute as far as an over all percentage of Muslims.

To date there have been fewer actual suicide bombers than there were Kamikazee Pilots who committed violent suicide for similar reasons during World War II.

Salmon Rushdie is still alive and Denmark is alive and well.

The reality is hate speech flows from every side of every conflict.

"Kill them all and let G-d sort them out" is a popular T-shirt in some circles.

Israelis who label all Palestinians as 'Animals' is fairly common.

Americans who feel collateral damage to innocent Mulsim men, women and children is acceptable because all Muslims are either potential terrorists or are legintimate terrorists is common too.

People who feel well if Muslims were decent people they would stop fellow Muslims from becoming suicide bombers is common too even though they feel no guilt or take any personal responsibility when an American Street Gang member engaged in the violent drug trade kills an innocent person in a drive by shooting.

The fact of the matter is I appreciate that Bloods wear Red and Crips wear blue because I can see that they are Bloods and Crips and to give them a wide and or cautious berth and eye when I stumble across one.

I appreciate free speech enables people to identify who they are and what they stand for whether I agree with what they stand for and who they are or not because it allows me the ability to make a determination about whether or not I will associate with someone or identify with someone.

I haven't studied the statistics but there are probably as many Western Christians, Jews and Hindus that proclaim all Muslims as evil and deserving of death as their are Muslims that feel all Jews/Christians or Hindus are evil and deserve death.

Religion breeds some very ugly thinking in all the various sects and denominations. It's as frightening as it is problematic in that all the carious sexts and denominations feel that G-d supports their prejudice and hatreds.

Israel does have a mounting public relations problem there is no doubt about it. They don't participate honestly or fully in the International Treaties and Orginizations and often condemn and want to start wars with other nations often for just the imagined belief that those nations want to do the very things Israel has done that doesn't want dondemned for doing them but praised for doing them.

How Israel overcomes it's mounting public relations problems is by participating openly, honestly and fairly in the World Bodies and abiding by the very same rules it wants other nations to while Israel does not yet condemns those other nations and insist the World Bodies take action against those nations but not Israel for the same things.

Trying to stop free speech is not the way to overcome its public relations problems.

The fact of the matter is that if I was as disliked and disrespected as Israel is in many people's eyes the world over I would start looking to see if my own actions were responsible for that instead of simply trying to make it a crime for people not liking me.

In essence that is all Israel is trying to do, is to insist that they should be above the International Laws and Treaties and not be held to them, and that it should be illegal for anyone to voice an oppinion as to that dysfunctional approach towards the World Community.

The constant inflamatory press against other nations and people is in itself disengenuous, misleading and deflectionary on Israel's part.

The title of this thread is a classic example of how twisted the culture of hate is.

A responsible title would be 'New York Muslim Man has Website that calls on G-d to kill all the Jews".

Instead it's worded to be inflamatory and play on prejudices and fears making it seem like it's an organized Muslim initiative and plot and that New York was infiltrated by an organized group of Muslims to use it as a base for this campaign.

The reality is it's just a crazy New York Jew whose converted to Islam talking out of the side of his head that people who hate Muslims are trying to turn from a Molehill into a Mountain as a justification to curtail or outlaw free speech.

Why anyone would even give such rubbish thought is beyond me, it's just a stupid rant ny a stupid guy and the only people who are going to agree with it is people who already felt that way to begin with.

The Internet doesn't breed suicide bombers, bad politics on both sides breeds suicide bombers.




posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
firstly i'm not muslim

but what's with all the sarcasm on "the religion of peace"

as if your religions are better

christianity, islam and judaism are all violent religions
time to wake up people

is christianity the religion of peace?
"Kill babylon"?
babylon = modern day iraq where 85K people died?

come on man

all abrahamic religions are one in the same
just like presidents, same person different face


This post is nothing but truisms.


The violence of Christianity happened many hundreds of years ago during the crusades (a response to muslim violence at that time) and the inquisition.

Been to different churches my whole life and never once heard ANYONE talk about killing babylon or anyone else for that matter.



[edit on 10/14/2009 by centurion1211]


If that isn't walking through life with blinders on I don't know what is. The violence perpetrated by Christianity began with the spread of the christ myth, and continues to this very day. Certainly it has eased a bit with the chruch losing the absolute control that it once had, but violence within Christianity is in no way contained to the crusades, and inquisition. To state such a thing is complete and utter nonsense.



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
If someone tells you to jump off of a bridge are you going to do it?

[edit on 13/10/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]


No, but there is plenty of evidence that muslims do act on this sort of thing when they are told to.

- suicide bombers
- Salmon Rushdie
- the Danish cartoon incident.
etc., etc.


Suicide Bombers predate the Internet by decades.
The actual 'hard number' of suicide bombers is minute as far as an over all percentage of Muslims.


Explain that "comforting news" to the families of their victims please. An individual letter to each and every one.


To date there have been fewer actual suicide bombers than there were Kamikazee Pilots who committed violent suicide for similar reasons during World War II.


Meaningless in the context of this thread.


Salmon Rushdie is still alive and Denmark is alive and well.


Rushdie went into hiding to stay alive because there were threats against his life. Denmark is a country
but still had to politically run and hide.


The reality is hate speech flows from every side of every conflict.


A start for you here. Now follow it up with some negatives directed towards the (some, not all) muslims currently perpetrating all this violence.


"Kill them all and let G-d sort them out" is a popular T-shirt in some circles.


Again, even if foolish enough to wear such clothing, they are not finding non-military people from the U.S. over in the middle east acting on the slogans.


Israelis who label all Palestinians as 'Animals' is fairly common.


Again, totally one-sided since these comments flow in both directions. Since there are over a billion more muslims than Israelis, I wonder which side says it more?


Americans who feel collateral damage to innocent Mulsim men, women and children is acceptable because all Muslims are either potential terrorists or are legintimate terrorists is common too.


Let's see legitimate polls, or any other source that proves this statement. I'll even go as far as to say it is a bald-faced lie.


People who feel well if Muslims were decent people they would stop fellow Muslims from becoming suicide bombers is common too even though they feel no guilt or take any personal responsibility when an American Street Gang member engaged in the violent drug trade kills an innocent person in a drive by shooting.


Here's a real fact on this for you. The people here that don't report on the gang members are that way out of fear of reprisal. Perhaps moderate muslims feel the same way. Neither help solve the problem.


The fact of the matter is I appreciate that Bloods wear Red and Crips wear blue because I can see that they are Bloods and Crips and to give them a wide and or cautious berth and eye when I stumble across one.


Oh, sounds like you get it, then.


I appreciate free speech enables people to identify who they are and what they stand for whether I agree with what they stand for and who they are or not because it allows me the ability to make a determination about whether or not I will associate with someone or identify with someone.


So ...


I haven't studied the statistics but there are probably as many Western Christians, Jews and Hindus that proclaim all Muslims as evil and deserving of death as their are Muslims that feel all Jews/Christians or Hindus are evil and deserve death.


I suggest you actually study the statistics before making such blanket and likely false) statements.


Religion breeds some very ugly thinking in all the various sects and denominations. It's as frightening as it is problematic in that all the carious sexts and denominations feel that G-d supports their prejudice and hatreds.


Not if you separate out the words of God from the words of man. Example, "thou shall not kill" we'll call an example of the words of God, and "kill the infidels" we'll call an example of the words of man. Notice the difference? For my "religion", I prefer the very simple golden rule - do unto others as you would have them do unto you. IF everyone lived by those words, you don't need any more religious words or religions, and life would be better for all. Agree?


Israel does have a mounting public relations problem there is no doubt about it.


Perpetuated, also, by totally one-sided posts such as yours. Are you helping?


They don't participate honestly or fully in the International Treaties and Orginizations and often condemn and want to start wars with other nations often for just the imagined belief that those nations want to do the very things Israel has done that doesn't want dondemned for doing them but praised for doing them.


And the muslim countries are themselves setting a shining example for all other countries to follow?


How Israel overcomes it's mounting public relations problems is by participating openly, honestly and fairly in the World Bodies and abiding by the very same rules it wants other nations to while Israel does not yet condemns those other nations and insist the World Bodies take action against those nations but not Israel for the same things.


Once again, ONLY Israel is responsible for fixing EVERYTHING. Wrong. It takes both sides.


Trying to stop free speech is not the way to overcome its public relations problems.


True, but there seems to be more free speech in Israel than in the surrounding muslim countries ...


The fact of the matter is that if I was as disliked and disrespected as Israel is in many people's eyes the world over I would start looking to see if my own actions were responsible for that instead of simply trying to make it a crime for people not liking me.


I wouldn't automatically assume those other people were correct in their assessment. What is their agenda? Same goes for Israel.


In essence that is all Israel is trying to do, is to insist that they should be above the International Laws and Treaties and not be held to them, and that it should be illegal for anyone to voice an oppinion as to that dysfunctional approach towards the World Community.


No doubt gleaned from your last classified meeting with the upper echelons of the Israeli government. Admit it, you are doing nothing more than spouting your opinions as if they are facts.



The constant inflamatory press against other nations and people is in itself disengenuous, misleading and deflectionary on Israel's part.


Yet another totally one-sided assessment from you.


The title of this thread is a classic example of how twisted the culture of hate is.


Feeling a little like a pretzel are you?


A responsible title would be 'New York Muslim Man has Website that calls on G-d to kill all the Jews".

Instead it's worded to be inflamatory and play on prejudices and fears making it seem like it's an organized Muslim initiative and plot and that New York was infiltrated by an organized group of Muslims to use it as a base for this campaign.


Oh, so all of this is just because you disagree with the headline?



The reality is it's just a crazy New York Jew whose converted to Islam talking out of the side of his head that people who hate Muslims are trying to turn from a Molehill into a Mountain as a justification to curtail or outlaw free speech.


If only there didn't seem to be so many others just like him ...


Why anyone would even give such rubbish thought is beyond me, it's just a stupid rant ny a stupid guy and the only people who are going to agree with it is people who already felt that way to begin with.


Um, they don't want to be injured or killed by (some, not all) muslims like this ...


The Internet doesn't breed suicide bombers, bad politics on both sides breeds suicide bombers.


Quite true. However, the internet does seem to make the breeding of (some, not all) muslims like this so much easier.



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by Majiq

If that isn't walking through life with blinders on I don't know what is. The violence perpetrated by Christianity began with the spread of the christ myth,


Some 2,000 years ago


and continues to this very day.


Where? When?


Certainly it has eased a bit with the chruch losing the absolute control that it once had, but violence within Christianity is in no way contained to the crusades, and inquisition. To state such a thing is complete and utter nonsense.


What is utter nonsense is going around pretending (out loud) that your opinions are somehow facts. Do some historical research and then we can talk.



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 08:13 PM
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The only thing I can suggest to you friend is that while you chide me for a lack of ‘balance’ because I don’t defend Israel there was not one word on your part that in any way is supportive of Islamic Nations either.

As far as other nations and people being responsible for Israel’s mounting public relations problem?

Israel is responsible for Israeli policy and that’s what is causing the mounting public relations problem.

Israel and its assorted Zionist supporters do not accept any criticism no matter how constructive it is. They do not accept any criticism no matter how factual it is.

When a fast food chain kills 6 kids with tainted hamburger meat it’s not their consumer or competitors that need to fix their public relations problem at the chain that sold the tainted hamburgers.

Likewise this article is about Free Speech in America not other nations since the website was published in America by an American.

One of the reasons our government is so screwed up and Israel has such a public relations problem is because both are always trying to make the problems seem less significant to the point of insignificance by pointing out someone, somewhere else has the problem to a greater degree and therefore since ‘we’ aren’t that bad, we are good!

I don’t live in fear and I refuse to live in fear, I do not fear Islam, or Israel or my government or the bloods or the crips. I don’t fear that someone is going to blow me up because of what they read on a website.

As far as there being a lot of other Jews who have converted to Islam who have made similar despicable calls for violence against all Jews I really don’t think there are that many other Jews who have converted to Islam doing the same.

I do have a real problem with how the media entitled this article. One of my many professions is marketing and how the seemingly innocuous simple words can be used in conjunction to deliberately create a powerful and often false perception for greater impact or an agenda.

All in all my friend you took a lot of time to deflect from points you had no other valid argument for, made other points about me instead of the points with a handy thumbs down like I or anyone else care regarding your hasty personal conclusions about me and accused me of being one sided while you are being one sided and suggested that I am somehow hurting Israel’s diminishing image by simply pointing out the facts of what Israel does to hurt it’s own image.

My reason for participating in this thread is because it’s a free speech issue. One of the things I like to use my free speech for is promoting the founding fathers desire for the U.S. to not be an empire or to take sides in foreign disputes.

We should as a nation here in America not be supporting and funding Israel or Jordan or Egypt to the point that we are. We should not be choosing sides in regional conflicts outside of our borders, fighting wars of aggression, fighting other nation’s war of aggression and forcing our citizens to pay tax dollars and soldiers lives for that.

It has been our uneven and disastrous hypocritical application of our foreign policy that has inflamed much of not just the Muslim world but the world in general as we pursue foolish, costly and morally bankrupt ‘might makes right’ agendas throughout the world.

We here in America should be focused here in America.



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 08:31 PM
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and continues to this very day.

Where? When?


Well let's see, the numerous abortion clinic bombings, and other attack carried out by people connected to Christian anti-abortion groups is a good place to start.

Oh and here is a link to a Christian group you may not have heard of.
Ku Klux Klan


Certainly it has eased a bit with the chruch losing the absolute control that it once had, but violence within Christianity is in no way contained to the crusades, and inquisition. To state such a thing is complete and utter nonsense.

What is utter nonsense is going around pretending (out loud) that your opinions are somehow facts. Do some historical research and then we can talk.


I could give more examples but I believe that this answers your question of naming some recent violence perpetrated by Christians. I have done plenty of research on Christian violence. It has been an area of interest for me since I was young and my aunts house was shot at in a small Christian neighborhood for openly practicing Wicca. I believe it is you who need to open your eyes, and do a little more research.

Everyone wants their particular religion to be the true path that represents peace, love, and hope for all, but merely wanting that or even having faith in it doesn't make it so.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 12:35 AM
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My favorite thing about your posts is how in at least 1/2 of them you find a way to make it about Israel and Jews. Way to stay on target!



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 04:20 AM
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This is outrageous, the internet may well be the current home of free speech, but regardless there are limits,
also being as the internet is an international platform, why dont the authorities of a country with laws that would allow them to intervene do something?

Personally, it beggars belief that people who hate non-islamic society and non-islamic countrys, would then choose to live in any of those countrys, why dont they go to an islamic country where they can speak whatever atrocities they like,



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 06:24 AM
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Originally posted by sos37

This guy is saying because his text is a prayer, it's protected. Prayer or not, why is it that authorities can't do anything about this, again? To me, this goes beyond free speech and religion - this crap treads into the realm of inciting violent behavior and as such should be removed. I can't believe a judge hasn't made an emergency ruling on this yet.

www.foxnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 13-10-2009 by sos37]

Maybe because it is crap


The only thing you gain for exposing crap is exposing crap, when you expose crap, don't forget that crap people might use that crap for their own crappy purposes.

So in that sense the best thing for you to do when you are facing crap is to ignore it, so it is not exposed to public.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 07:31 AM
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This really so laughable. I mean, c'mon, "formerly Joseph Cohen" and dressed up all scary with a beard too! Must really have people soiling their panties


They tried it all once before with Adam Gadahn, the American al Qaida.... remember him? Real name Adam Pearlman, a nice Jewish (Formerly...allegedly!) whose Grandfather was an ADL board member. That started wearing a bit thin so now they dig out this guy, not some scary guy on America's most wanted, but right there amongst the general population. ooooh, double scary!

Anyone fooled for a moment by this is surely in need of medication as they have already succumbed to the government booga booga.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
The violence of Christianity happened many hundreds of years ago during the crusades (a response to muslim violence at that time) and the inquisition.

Been to different churches my whole life and never once heard ANYONE talk about killing babylon or anyone else for that matter.


Guess what, time to wake up
never heard of anyone lately talking about killing babylon?

lol no need to

when Cheney sent speeches to give to soldiers guess what?
It was FULL of biblical quotes

Eric Prince, former owner and ceo of Blackwater
Christian Crusader!!!!!!!!!!
Blackwater = League of Overpaid Christian Crusading Corp.

Just because you don't hear it in churches doens't mean it's not spoken about anymore.

By the way there are churches in the states with a sign "Islam is the devil" outside the church, I even made a thread on it!

Wake up from your slumber



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by really
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
 


My favorite thing about your posts is how in at least 1/2 of them you find a way to make it about Israel and Jews. Way to stay on target!


To date I have made 3,994 posts on ATS this will make 3,995! For your statement to be factual you would have had to have read at least 1997 of them. I won’t make a hypothetical supposition based on the likelihood of you or anyone doing that but instead will leave the conclusions based on hypothetical and wishful thinking to you!

I will just stick with the facts.

My posts do tend to have one strong reoccurring element and that is I encourage people to ask intelligent probing questions, to not accept weak and partial and incomplete answers to form their perspectives and opinions on and to not just simply accept an answer based on whether someone contends it’s the proper or politically correct thing to do.

My life is about the quality of my life, not an endeavor of trying to insure the quality of one group of people’s lives above any other group.

Some of the members carry there desire to promote one group of people’s wants and desires over every other group in ways that certainly does take on some extreme forms. One poster yesterday wrote he felt that Jews should be left alone to do whatever they want to do because they have endured 100’s of years of torture, slavery and murder!

There is just one problem of course in that none of the Jews who he would like to place forever above the law because of those tragedies ever lived through those tragedies! They weren’t alive back then just as the supposed perpetrators of those tragedies aren’t alive today.

So why would people today be given a free pass and the privilege of living above the law.

That’s an intelligent probing question yet for most Zionists as sensible as that question is they take offence at any questioning of how Israel and Zionists and to a lesser extent Jews fit into the International Community and the societies many Jews live in Diaspora in still to this day despite them now having a so called Homeland so that they would not have to live in Exile.

The reality is the Rule of Law only works well when all laws are applied evenly to all people.

Where ever there is a problem in the world because of persecution and a lack of protected equal rights and dissatisfied and angry people it usually is because they feel justice has not been served properly that the Rule of Law is being applied selectively and blindly.

In most cases they would be right.

Perhaps it is coincidental that the nation that most favors selective application of the Laws and the Rule of Law is Israel and it’s supporters as they rush to condemn nations or people for the intent to violate Laws that Israel won’t itself even participate with or comply with.

Whether that’s a statistical anomaly or not is not as relevant as Justice being applied evenly and not being blind. It will always be blind when the average person does not have the courage and morals to question the Law and how it is being applied.

That doing that seems to offend one group of people or one nation more than any other probably says more about that nation and those people than it does about people who have the common sense and moral integrity to question things with an eye towards evenness and fairness.

This thread is a classic example of certain types of people feeling more threatened by free speech and advocating that certain types of free speech not be allowed even though those who feel threatened by it in this particular case are egregious offenders themselves when it comes to blanket condemnations of people or attempts to condemn people.

You know the type who makes up statistics because they have never read a fraction of the bare minimum of 1997 posts they would have to have read for their attempts to make condemning statements factual actually factual.

Knowing my own posting habits I would say the number is more like at 27%, knowing your posting habits I would say the number in your case is more like 100%.

Which is basically my point in some people’s minds it’s perfectly proper and wise to defend a certain nation and people 100% of the time and to never honestly question the merits of the accusations being defended against. To those very same people other people questioning 50% of the time in fair and intelligent and reflective ways is considered wrong 100% of the time!

That is how Justice ends up blind and the world becomes a dangerous place friend.




[edit on 15/10/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by mrmonsoon
I bet if someone said acid should be thrown in the face of all muslims, something would be done.

Typical of the religion of love and peace.

Line three.


I bet if someone said acid should be thrown in the face of all zionists,
something definetly would be done.

typical of the religion of expand by bomb.

Line three



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 11:13 AM
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This guy is clearly an extremist and I doubt he represents the views of very many others.

Most people, regardless of their religion or cultural background, reject extremism and violence completely. The majority should not be judged on the words of a radical minority.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 11:16 AM
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I am finding it very difficult to believe that I actually agree with one of your posts.

I feel disoriented now and do not know where I am or what I was doing.

I am extremely confused right now



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
[Knowing my own posting habits I would say the number is more like at 27%, knowing your posting habits I would say the number in your case is more like 100%.

Which is basically my point in some people’s minds it’s perfectly proper and wise to defend a certain nation and people 100% of the time and to never honestly question the merits of the accusations being defended against. To those very same people other people questioning 50% of the time in fair and intelligent and reflective ways is considered wrong 100% of the time!
[edit on 15/10/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]


Actually, you are entirely wrong. I've been discussing socialism and capitalism for days. I try (and fail) to stay away from these threads as I find them upsetting. I do not stick up for Israel %100 of the time. Moreover, you most certainly try to find a way to twist a thread into an Israel thing more than 27% of the time.
I'm now done with this.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 11:37 AM
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That's the trouble with these forums, we judge each other based on select opinions. Not always healthy.

I know you have me down as some sort of Muslim hating bigot, but I'm really a peace and understanding kind of guy.

I just think that peace and understanding should apply to everyone, not just to one side of certain conflicts



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 11:41 AM
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This is untrue
I don't think of you as a muslim hater

I do just think that you truly believe Israel is always the good guy and can never do anything wrong............. ever!

I find this trend to be true amongst everyone with an israeli backround

In fact, i find that it's the only nation on the planet where maybe 95% of it's population thinks it's govt. is always right.

It's quite a sight to see.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by colec156
Prey or not, In the UK we have a law against incitement and that would fall under this law and he would be arrested. Ok after that he might only get his wrists slapped, but there is a law in place.

The US should work quickly to institute such laws!!!



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by mattpryor
This guy is clearly an extremist and I doubt he represents the views of very many others.

Most people, regardless of their religion or cultural background, reject extremism and violence completely. The majority should not be judged on the words of a radical minority.

Yeah well, unfortunately this is not a small minority that is causing death and destruction in the name of Islam.
There have been over 10000 terrorism incidents since 911. Wake up dude.



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